Open letter to Mabination

• Virtue wrote on 2010-09-17 18:18
  Mods, I ask that this stay up for at least one day.
  
  Hey guys, this is Virtue, I just logged in today to see that I am banned.
  
  

  [Image: http://gyazo.com/0347e511198e0a6319425c2cef19cdbd.png]

  
  
  Banning me after 5 months and not even taking the time to give me a reason? Surely you jest.
  
  Then you posted in the staff forum:
  
  

  Quote from Osayidan:

  I don't mind unbanning cablecrook after a while but virtue has generally been a douchebag-on-purpose since the day I met him. He's nice to people he respects and treats everyone else like crap and doesn't care how many of the rules he breaks in order to do so. I think this is the second or third time he's been banned on Nation so unless Fal scolds him and then unbans him not much will save him.

  
  
  Let’s see, there are some things wrong with this post.
  
  

  • Every hater can say I'm treating people bad. I need names. Who, the hell, am I treating like crap? Are you sure you're not just asspained for whatever terrible reason?
    
  • Douchebag since the day I met you? I don’t even know you, man. Are you one of those passive agressive people?
    
  • No, the first time I've been banned is right now, the only time you went full retard.
    
  • Like Tyson said on your profile; I didn't respect him but yet I'm not a prick to him. I do have a lot of respect for him now though.

  
  
  Also, what’s with the lazy thing? “oh lol im lazy”, “rofl im so lazy”, “i can do that... but i’m so lazy :D”? Seriously?
  
  If there’s someone Fal has to scold, it’s you. I will ask her to unban Virtue next time I see her if you don't.
  
  Next time when you have a problem with me, say it to my face. Doing that is respect worthy.
  
  @Staff in general: Don't be so uptight about everything. Take a lesson from Dungeon Fighter Online Source
  
  @Kazuni: Not sure if anyone gave you the message but I told Phunkie and Arsik to give you my apologies for calling 14 year olds dumb if that had offended you. I hope not; since you are not the average in that Group.
  
  Come at me bro.
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-09-17 18:51
  o-o; What happened to you leaving forever and not coming back? This really shouldn't be a problem for yuh. You wanted a ban in the first place, right?
• Virtue wrote on 2010-09-17 18:53

  Quote from Shirayuki;158842:

  o-o; What happened to you leaving forever and not coming back unless a condition is met? This really shouldn't be a problem for yuh. You wanted a ban in the first place, right?

  That's been taken care of.
• Shirayuki wrote on 2010-09-17 18:54

  Quote from Virtue2;158844:

  That's been taken care of.

  
  
  WHAT WAS THE CONDITION?
  
  /anxiousrage/
• Iyasenu wrote on 2010-09-17 19:06
  You want to come back to Nation, Virtue?
• Virtue wrote on 2010-09-17 19:08

  Quote from Iyasenu;158864:

  You want to come back to Nation, Virtue?

  I'd like to know for whatever sh[FONT="Arial"]i[/FONT]tty reason I was banned because there isn't one listed. Only him being passive agressive in the staff forum.
• Iyasenu wrote on 2010-09-17 19:44
  Any word yet?
  
  There's quite a few people online...
  Have they at least noticed this yet?
• Osayidan wrote on 2010-09-17 19:50
  Whoever is giving you posts from the staff section didn't bother to give you the post I made later:
  

  Quote from Osayidan;:

  I just found out earlier today who cable was so no he's not getting unbanned. Neither of them are.
  also he's ban dodging right now as sirose.

  
  
  You were banned for this:
  

  Quote from Virtue;:

  I agree.
  
  Couldn't have said it better myself. She is disgusting criminal scum and should be reported to the authorities. This is a forum with tons of kids for ****'s sake and you let an open pedophile post here? How do you think their parents would feel about this?
  
  The case she made for her 'desires' more or less are purely wrong. Even if she can't help it. I don't like to judge people so it's not my place really. But it does upset me how ignorant she is, and selfish for that matter. And not understanding how wrong and horrible it is that she thinks of it so casually at this point.

  
  
  Cable was banned for the post you're agreeing to there, on top of ban dodging that I found out about later.
  
  You have been banned here before, not by me, probably Zeph. Your general attitude towards people you disagree with on the forums is horrible. There's different ways to express your difference of opinion or disagreement, and you choose the wrong ones most of the time. I always left you to be handled by Fal since you seem to know each other pretty well, but I don't care about that anymore.
  
  Don't know if you do it on purpose or if that's just your personality, but either way I'm not tolerating it anymore. I'm not giving you another try so if you want to be here badly enough get a new name, a good proxy, and a change of personality.
• Virtue wrote on 2010-09-17 19:53

  Quote from Osayidan:

  You have been banned here before, not by me, probably Zeph.

  Not really. Zeph and I are good friends. I have really not been banned before, might wanna check that first.
  
  I don't see the reason for a permaban for a post that is frankly quite okay. A 3 day ban would be more suitable if you really have the need to do that. You probably got pissed because you're in the same guild as her and failed to see the point of my posts in that thread until much later when the staff told her she shouldn't be so open about it.
  
  

  Quote from Osayidan:

  Your general attitude towards people you disagree with on the forums is horrible.

  That's just like, your opinion mang. And it's not shared by anyone else.
• starpaw7 wrote on 2010-09-17 19:59

  Quote from Virtue2;158838:

  Every hater can say I'm treating people bad. I need names. Who, the hell, am I treating like crap? Are you sure you're not just asspained for whatever terrible reason?.

  
  
  Look back at every single person you've ever insulted while on this forum :tea:
  
  
  

  Quote from Virtue2;158838:

  Douchebag since the day I met you? I don’t even know you, man. Are you one of those passive agressive people?.

  
  
  Once you post that opens up to everyone :awesome:
  
  And you did just call him a retard
  
  

  Quote from Virtue2;158838:

  
  No, the first time I've been banned is right now, the only time you went full retard.

  
  
  You have been banned before, it was for a week if I remember :what:
  
  
  

  Quote from Virtue2;158838:

  Also, what’s with the lazy thing? “oh lol im lazy”, “rofl im so lazy”, “i can do that... but i’m so lazy :D”? Seriously?

  
  
  You took that seriously :lol:
  
  

  Quote from Virtue2;158838:

  If there’s someone Fal has to scold, it’s you. I will ask her to unban Virtue next time I see her if you don't.

  
  
  :XD:
  
  
  

  Quote from Virtue2;158838:

  Next time when you have a problem with me, say it to my face. Doing that is respect worthy.

  
  
  I believe he just did :thumb:
  
  

  Quote from Virtue2;158915:

  I don't see the reason for a permaban for a post that is frankly quite okay. A 3 day ban would be more suitable if you really have the need to do that.

  
  
  Called her:
  "disgusting criminal scum", ignorant, selfish
  
  Not quite okay :awesome:
  
  
  
  
  :bye:
• Chiri wrote on 2010-09-17 20:17
  You're punishing him for being uncivil during arguments before the mods clarified the rules on civility and respect.
  It really reminds me of the infraction I got from Byte *right* when the rules were being changed and I was hardly as explicit as Finnea got.
  
  Retroactively enforcing rules is pretty bogus.
  Picking people you like to not get infractions is also bogus-- Finnea did her share of offending people with her blatant sexual imagery, but she didn't get anything but a generic slap on the wrists.
  
  A lot of people draw the line for sexual exploration when it comes to 11-year-olds. Despite Finnea's own supposed self-restraint, people have been labeled as a sexual predator for less. It also makes me intensely uncomfortable that she works as an educator. While perhaps a little caustic, I don't think Virtue was unjustified with the post he was banned permanently for.
• starpaw7 wrote on 2010-09-17 20:34

  Quote from Virtue2;158915:

  That's just like, your opinion mang. And it's not shared by anyone else.

  
  
  :lol:
  
  No :awesome:
  
  

  Quote from Chiri;158929:

  You're punishing him for being uncivil during arguments before the mods clarified the rules on civility and respect.

  
  
  No one should need mods to tell them how to give basic respect and think before posting :what:
• Chiri wrote on 2010-09-17 20:38
  No one needs mods to say that on a PG13 forum, you shouldn't talk about bedding young girls along with your wife, sister, and sister's wife in the same bed.
  
  Oh, wait.
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-09-17 20:48
  Ah, Osayidan. I'm the one who communicated that information to Virtue, so I'd like to take responsibility for that.
  
  Even though things did get out of hand last week, I honestly feel like we did him wrong by banning him permanently. Same with CableCrook. We were never exactly fair with both parties. And both of them had been doing well so far.
  
  Throw in a controversial topic and no doubt that people are gonna go crazy. But we reminded everyone of the rules soon after and made it a priority that we should respect one another and refrain from talking about sexual things.
  
  Like Chiri says, "Retroactively enforcing rules is pretty bogus."
  
  And like Abraham Lincoln once said,
  
  

  We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection.

  
  
  We should unban both of them and give them another chance, just like we've given Finnea and everyone else involved in the matter.
  
  They're not like Kraken or those other trolls that aimed to injure. They actually were talking civilly (for the most part) about the issue. But it was a controversial issue, so feelings were definitely gonna be involved.
  
  Think about it.
• Drifter wrote on 2010-09-17 21:31
  Truth be told, he hasn't been as bad as he used to be (and even then he wasn't that bad).
  
  I've seen far worse posts on this forum, far worse, and banning him for agreeing with someone?
  isn't everyone entitled to their own opinion? Yes how he worded it was harsh, but remember this wasn't a non controversial topic.
  
  All in all, I'd just say think about it.
  Phunkie had a point up there.