We are not getting the Giant models?

• User495 wrote on 2010-09-23 20:52

  Quote from Everwanderer;164096:

  I know, read what she quoted from my text~

  
  
  I don't see it, the point was that a Goddess of War in Mabinogi is Morrighan
  
  and it bugs me that people think the word giant has a specific image to fit it
  as long as it fits the large size/ "Giant" criteria there should be no complaining, at least about how they "should look" there is no "should" in the word "Giant"
  
  and in a sense male giants getting female giant animations are innovative, seeing as, unless I'm mistaken Female Giants were made after Male giants were thrown together
  
  (you don't have to read this part if you don't want to)
  the thing is Mabinogi is about choice/freedom, there are restrictions in place, but it doesn't stop you from making decisions, most of the time,
  some people may like elves, and "face paint" though I think those are tattoos more than face paint, and not like how much they suck at taking hits (I know Mabinogi's not about tanking , but you should still be able to survive long enough, cause of lag etc)
  
  then there's people that like to Melee but may not like giant looks, so they stay human, or even go elf and melee if they prefer it better
  then there's also rangers that might not want to get easily taken down, hell there's still Human Rangers around
  then there's people that like giant's looks and likes magic, they might do that too
  
  most people just sacrifice something to do what they want, though really how is a Renewal Female Giant that much different from the old ones
  character model is essentially the same besides the skin, they pretty much softened up the skin
  
  (ok continue reading)
  and you mentioned playing giant for Melee the looks are probably just a side thing
  
  and after seeing this image

  [Image: http://truth.bahamut.com.tw/s01/201006/7f06c38a57f1b9208ceba63549ef49a9.JPG]

  it really doesn't seem to be that big of a difference, they're just abit slimmer, not as exaggerated as everyone said <.<
  
  yeah I know the image has been posted earlier, I just thought to look at the images again to make sure my memory's right
• Blassreiter wrote on 2010-09-23 21:03
  This was not the only giant character renewal. There was a different type of animation/looks when giants first came out in G6 compared to the current one. You can see it from this video:
  [video=youtube;sRM5GC6Ujcc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRM5GC6Ujcc[/video]
  
  Notice how the giants run, attack, get knocked down, and gets up. Different from our current one. Nonetheless, everything related to giants was just created incomplete and without thought of the future (1.6 load time Stomp, extremely weak Throwing Attack, etc.) so DevCat/Nexon is now tweaking around giants(i.e. renewal) probably by giant player comments.
  
  

  Quote from Sevian;164121:

  I don't see it, the point was that a Goddess of War in Mabinogi is Morrighan
  
  and it bugs me that people think the word giant has a specific image to fit it
  as long as it fits the large size/ "Giant" criteria there should be no complaining, at least about how they "should look" there is no "should" in the word "Giant"
  
  and in a sense male giants getting female giant animations are innovative, seeing as, unless I'm mistaken Female Giants were made after Male giants were thrown together
  
  (you don't have to read this part if you don't want to)
  the thing is Mabinogi is about choice/freedom, there are restrictions in place, but it doesn't stop you from making decisions, most of the time,
  some people may like elves, and "face paint" though I think those are tattoos more than face paint, and not like how much they suck at taking hits (I know Mabinogi's not about tanking , but you should still be able to survive long enough, cause of lag etc)
  
  then there's people that like to Melee but may not like giant looks, so they stay human, or even go elf and melee if they prefer it better
  then there's also rangers that might not want to get easily taken down, hell there's still Human Rangers around
  then there's people that like giant's looks and likes magic, they might do that too
  
  most people just sacrifice something to do what they want, though really how is a Renewal Female Giant that much different from the old ones
  character model is essentially the same besides the skin, they pretty much softened up the skin
  
  (ok continue reading)
  and you mentioned playing giant for Melee the looks are probably just a side thing
  
  and after seeing this image it really doesn't seem to be that big of a difference, they're just abit slimmer, not as exaggerated as everyone said <.<
  
  yeah I know the image has been posted earlier, I just thought to look at the images again to make sure my memory's right

  
  
  Right, I don't like how everyone thinks giants should be all brawn and muscly and/or fat. As I said earlier, the renewal makes giants look better because they look more humanoid. From what I saw, most of the remarks made about renewal being fail was not from people who play giant characters as their main, instead they are humans. Not that I'm saying anything, but to me it seems that these comments make them seem like they don't want humans to be "left out" since now giants received an uplift so they're bashing this renewal.
• Everwanderer wrote on 2010-09-23 21:32

  Quote from Sevian;164121:

  I don't see it, the point was that a Goddess of War in Mabinogi is Morrighan
  
  and it bugs me that people think the word giant has a specific image to fit it
  as long as it fits the large size/ "Giant" criteria there should be no complaining, at least about how they "should look" there is no "should" in the word "Giant"
  
  and in a sense male giants getting female giant animations are innovative, seeing as, unless I'm mistaken Female Giants were made after Male giants were thrown together
  
  (you don't have to read this part if you don't want to)
  the thing is Mabinogi is about choice/freedom, there are restrictions in place, but it doesn't stop you from making decisions, most of the time,
  some people may like elves, and "face paint" though I think those are tattoos more than face paint, and not like how much they suck at taking hits (I know Mabinogi's not about tanking , but you should still be able to survive long enough, cause of lag etc)
  
  then there's people that like to Melee but may not like giant looks, so they stay human, or even go elf and melee if they prefer it better
  then there's also rangers that might not want to get easily taken down, hell there's still Human Rangers around
  then there's people that like giant's looks and likes magic, they might do that too
  
  most people just sacrifice something to do what they want, though really how is a Renewal Female Giant that much different from the old ones
  character model is essentially the same besides the skin, they pretty much softened up the skin
  
  (ok continue reading)
  and you mentioned playing giant for Melee the looks are probably just a side thing
  
  and after seeing this image

  [Image: http://truth.bahamut.com.tw/s01/201006/7f06c38a57f1b9208ceba63549ef49a9.JPG]

  it really doesn't seem to be that big of a difference, they're just abit slimmer, not as exaggerated as everyone said <.<
  
  yeah I know the image has been posted earlier, I just thought to look at the images again to make sure my memory's right

  
  
  I think I should have phrased that "Goddesses of war" bit in some other way seeing as you seem to be stuck with the concept of the mabinogi Goddess. When I say "Goddess of war" I mean it as in strong looking woman who is a warrior yet, she manages to keep some feminine aspects that make her look gorgeous. Think of a Valkyrie or something. Yes, I know, Mabinogi, Morighan, goddess of war, yadda yadda. To me, Morrighan doesn't look like one, she's just a cute, silent fragile looking character (yeah, she gets "the eyes", but meh, big deal) who's scripted to function as Erinn's GoW.
  
  TL;DR: Wasn't talking about Mabi's concept of GoW, just meat that in a aesthetic sense.
  
  As for the pic and your comments of "is not a big change". It is, for someone who decided to play a gimped race for the sole reason of looks (and personal playstyle). Male giants althought square~y looking, they have features that make them aesthetically manly. They have a beard, their face has a serious strong expression (yes, you can change that, but why would i?), they have muscle and overall, fit the brute berserker image I like so much. With the renewal all that is lost. Yes, they still have beards but with those babyfaces their beards look unnatural, yes they still have muscle and now look more fit, but they went a bit overboard with their weight reduction system. For me, they lost that image I had in mind when i rolled one, and for that i dislike the male model.
  
  Now as for the females, I don't know if you main one, but I do, and I do notice a drastic change and I don't like that change. Female giants had curves, plain and simple. They had a healthy looking body unlike the anorexic human/elven females. You could make your female giant cute, sexy, strong, stoic, etc... From what I've seen so far, the only option you will have now is either a doll or a loli. They still don't reach anorexic levels, but lost some body shape, maybe is just me but i feel theirr heads look smaller, they now have child faces and look more petite.
  
  All in all, I'm used to how my character looks and I like it. I chose to have those looks and now they are taking away that choice from me and giving me a character model I don't like.
  
  

  Quote from Blassreiter;164127:

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  Right, I don't like how everyone thinks giants should be all brawn and muscly and/or fat. As I said earlier, the renewal makes giants look better because they look more humanoid.

  
  
  Yes, but please understand that there's some people who rolled giants because they used to fit that "muscle" warrior role and they wanted their characters to look like that. If you want yor female giant to look like a goddamn ballerina dancing the Swan lake by all means go ahead, with the renwal now she can even look like a disney princess. Same with males, put a selina on them, give it a juvenile haircut and the backstreet boys are goddamn back!
• Everwanderer wrote on 2010-09-23 21:41
  Accidental double post while editing. Already fixed my previous post so if a mod can delete this one.
  Sorry~
• User495 wrote on 2010-09-23 23:26
  well that's abit better, your comment this time isn't so bias'ed
  
  my comment earlier was so long for that reason, most people don't "sound" reasonable about the renewal or really any update, and tend to overexaggerate
  
  as I said it's likely the "skin texture" that makes their faces kinda more "doll" like, I've mentioned in another thread before that though they don't look necessarily any different to me, they do look "smoother"
  
  and yeah I know what you meant by Goddess, it was just that was a lighthearted, comment, more of a joke than anything, so I continued to point out that Morrighan detail
  
  clothes and customizable features on a giant can really make a difference on how a giant looks
  though we'll have to see when G12 arrives, I never got an actual close look at the giants, so I can't really describe the differences
  I just notice that things seem abit more "natural" now (fits in with the environment that mabi has)
• Taliya wrote on 2010-09-27 05:06
  I've been playing with the g12 models for a while now and I have to say I still look really kick ass in my purple Colin Plate armor (female).
• gambleflash wrote on 2010-09-29 00:18
  Does anybody besides me think that the male giant is hot? Srsly, I'm gonna make one just so I can stare at him all day.
• Zeo wrote on 2010-09-29 00:23

  Quote from gambleflash;169817:

  Does anybody besides me think that the male giant is hot? Srsly, I'm gonna make one just so I can stare at him all day.

  
  
  xD Same here, haha.
  
  I am also going to get clothes for him to wear as well.
• Idris wrote on 2010-10-22 10:40
  Meh. I'm a giant main, and as far as the more humanoid goes... if you look at the average measurements of the human race, the leg: torso ratio is higher for women than for men; men have shorter legs than women do, in proportion. Yes, there are exceptions, but this statement it true for most men.
  In the game here, I'd say yes, the giant's needed slightly longer legs... but not that skinny. We aren't a race of basketball stars (although we could do it easily).
  And I think they stretched the legs out a bit much- gets closer to the female ratio of leg to torso.
  The nose and facial structure was more expressive of the average man before, also... take a look sometime in a city when you've got lots of people around you. The vast trend is for females to have a more button nose than men; men's noses are usually not upturned at all. Not sure the biological reasons why, just noticed the trend. Somewhere online someone suggested that testosterone levels during some point of developement influence that particular trait.
  The head is the main issue for me- the shoulders look like they're disconnected from the arms if you put any beef on, and the legs look more like toothpicks instead of a sturdy mode of transportation for the giant frame that they support, but I figure there's gotta be some way to make it look decent... if I tinker around with the hot springs, and with different clothing styles, I should be able to find something... But the head? The face looks messed up... yes. Beyond that the head is nowhere near the scale of the average human, irl or in the game. Even the elves have a proportionately larger head than the giants do, and that's not including the ears!
  On top of all that, in real life I grew up on a farm, and so between that and my genes I ended up looking pretty similar to the frame of a newly created (pre-G12) giant male. I differ in some ways, because I have a longer torso than average (proportionately), and a larger head. I really enjoyed having a char that looked kinda like me, and that's been lost. Such is life. Hopefully Nexon or devcat does something to make them truer to life; that should satisfy more people than the current or previous model.
  In the meantime, I have found that I am suddenly very fond of having my giant wear robes... and helmets that cover the face, such as the Colin Plate helmet. Never wore them before, because the main function of robes in this game ( for the cheaper, common robes) is to cover up less photogenic qualities or clothing items.
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-10-22 11:06
  Giants look hotter now, male Giants especially.
  
  Giants teenagers shouldn't look like old men. Just like Human and Elf teenagers don't look like old men. They should look like growing teenagers. Let Edern and Taunes keep the brawly, muscular, old guy figures, but as for playable Giants, let them look like they should look.
• Jando wrote on 2010-10-22 11:26
  I still have the glitch. I had the derp face then I got the free appearance change and now I have a big body, big hair and a little head... L>fix.