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Juno wrote on 2010-10-02 00:45
Ranking it in lieu of hammer skills atm...I tend to think horribly long term so I'm somehow convinced it's totally worth it.
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Ruquion wrote on 2010-10-02 02:17
Quote from Juno;172972:
Ranking it in lieu of hammer skills atm...I tend to think horribly long term so I'm somehow convinced it's totally worth it.
Hammer skills aren't even out yet =o
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Fracture wrote on 2010-10-02 03:56
Quote from Ruquion;173071:
Hammer skills aren't even out yet =o
Exactly.
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Purutzil wrote on 2010-10-02 06:06
I'm getting it on Lann just cause I hate him so much and don't play him much unless I'm really bored.
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Xhyros wrote on 2010-10-02 15:35
Rank it to E at least. It will only take around 20ish days to start being worth it.
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Ruquion wrote on 2010-10-02 16:17
Quote from Xhyros;173420:
Rank it to E at least. It will only take around 20ish days to start being worth it.
Um... No, it needs ~180 days before it pays itself off at rE
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Kueh wrote on 2010-10-02 22:14
Quote from Ruquion;173442:
Um... No, it needs ~180 days before it pays itself off at rE
I don't know where you did your math, but that's more than the required AP to get to rank E. That would mean that you take more than one day to get a single AP.
It would only take about 5 days for meditation to pay for the ap for rank E
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Okitaru wrote on 2010-10-03 01:50
lol, you guys know if you get really high int it changes alot, you already have abit off as a default of your int, then onwards, if we dont get token restrictions by OB (IF they threw in evie) you'd probably want to grab it just because you'll want to get as much int as you can so it pays off faster, I know it's not a massive change, but it mixes up the formula, seeing as how 40 minutes is a fairly good possibility, which is a 20% change from rA medi, yes? (Too be honest I don't know how but someone hit that much int without a trans, I'll be looking through it more though)
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Ruquion wrote on 2010-10-03 09:16
Quote from Whyrainfalls;173598:
I don't know where you did your math, but that's more than the required AP to get to rank E. That would mean that you take more than one day to get a single AP.
It would only take about 5 days for meditation to pay for the ap for rank E
Magic.
Rank F Medi = 1440/58.5 = ~24.62 AP/day
Rank E Medi = 1440/57.0= ~25.26 AP/day
Rank E Medi = 120 AP
Time needed for Rank E Medi to pay for itself = 120/(25.26 - 24.62) = ~187.5 days.
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Xhyros wrote on 2010-10-03 15:07
Ah, I'm a moron. Didn't realize rF gave a 90 second reduction on its own. Kinda weird seeing as you don't get any free AP until you get meditation so the idea of rF reducing the time of something that never existed in the first place confused me.
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Okitaru wrote on 2010-10-04 05:20
Quote from Ruquion;174142:
Magic.
Rank F Medi = 1440/58.5 = ~24.62 AP/day
Rank E Medi = 1440/57.0= ~25.26 AP/day
Rank E Medi = 120 AP
Time needed for Rank E Medi to pay for itself = 120/(25.26 - 24.62) = ~187.5 days.
The MAIN idea is that it pays for itsown costs alone, then from that point it becomes something "worth it".
As much as this is more logical (and confusing) people will go for the other idea.
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zippo718 wrote on 2010-10-04 05:59
About 175 more AP to rA Meditation. So 2 token resets.
Why? Because I rA'd everything else =/
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Ruquion wrote on 2010-10-04 06:04
Quote from zippo718;175021:
Why? Because I rA'd everything else =/
LIES!! I have 9k AP and I'm not even close.
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Kueh wrote on 2010-10-04 06:58
Quote from Ruquion;174142:
Magic.
Rank F Medi = 1440/58.5 = ~24.62 AP/day
Rank E Medi = 1440/57.0= ~25.26 AP/day
Rank E Medi = 120 AP
Time needed for Rank E Medi to pay for itself = 120/(25.26 - 24.62) = ~187.5 days.
This is math for finding how long it takes rank E to pay for its own ap cost AND the ap that rank F made in the same amount of time.
"Pay for itself" means something different than "Pay for itself and the equivilent of a lower rank."
Pay
for
itself
Thus, the time needed for rank E to pay for itself = 120/25.26 = ~4.75 days.
In 185.5 days with either rank, you'll have over 4000 ap.
I still don't think Meditation is worth it though.
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eoneagle wrote on 2010-10-04 07:07
Quote from Whyrainfalls;175033:
This is math for finding how long it takes rank E to pay for its own ap cost AND the ap that rank F made in the same amount of time.
"Pay for itself" means something different than "Pay for itself and the equivilent of a lower rank."
Pay
for
itself
Thus, the time needed for rank E to pay for itself = 120/25.26 = ~4.75 days.
In 185.5 days with either rank, you'll have over 4000 ap.
I still don't think Meditation is worth it though.
You never know.
We are basing this almost completely on Lann/Fiona. Maybe when evie or other int using classes come out, Med will be useful.