Who's Going to Get Capped Meditation?

• zippo718 wrote on 2010-10-06 20:56

  Quote from eoneagle;175209:

  "'Paying for itself' means covering the initial cost of the rank. The 1430 AP. With rank A that's only 2 months."
  

  
  
  I don't see how some people still don't understand Med rF already gives 24 AP per day, and everyone gets rF for free.
  
  No one is saying Meditation is bad. Med is an amazing skill. The discussion is the merits of ranking it beyond F.
  
  It's a fact that it takes 350+ days (assuming Med works every second of every day, whether servers are up or down, etc) for Med rA to net you 1430 AP OVER Med rF.
  
  Med rF - cost: NOTHING, returns: 24 AP/day
  
  Med rA - cost: 1430 AP, returns: 28 AP/day
• Okitaru wrote on 2010-10-06 21:04
  The point is most people will probably play it through that time and switch games if they get bored, meaning it helps regardless, but if you'll be staying for awhile you'll get it payed off, just works fine IMO, I'll have enough to keep me off for any increase to help, it's not as useful after we get that update for AP though, seeing as how everyone will get some 400 a day :v (except total increasing for AP-whores)
• Narc wrote on 2010-10-06 21:13
  what ap update :O
• Okitaru wrote on 2010-10-06 22:28

  Quote from Narc;177458:

  what ap update :O

  
  
  dungeons at the lowest possible AP (0 for some 10 for others) get max AP for one run which renews daily.
• Cryosite wrote on 2010-10-07 18:06
  I think it's worth it to rank meditate. Perhaps not all the way up to rkA, but there is definitely at least a few ranks worth ranking up.
  
  Over the course of the full eab (or whatever acronym you want to call the early access beta) I only made it to level 15. Why? Because I could find enough entertainment value in the game to play more. I never once ran out of tokens, and I sure as hell never ground any missions to where they gave tiny amounts of ap.
  
  At this point though... there are no skills worth ranking. So there is no opportunity cost. You could try to argue that I need to repay that 120AP or however much I've spent so far on Meditate, but the simple fact of the matter is... if that ap can't be spen't on anything useful, it's not really a cost. Since spending it on meditate ensures that if/when I ever do get around to playing and go get to higher levels where other skills become available that are worth spending ap on, I'll have more ap than if I'd thrown it away ranking up garbage like ivy sweep.
• Andy-Buddy wrote on 2010-10-07 23:39

  Quote from Cryosite;178356:

  I think it's worth it to rank meditate. Perhaps not all the way up to rkA, but there is definitely at least a few ranks worth ranking up.
  
  Over the course of the full eab (or whatever acronym you want to call the early access beta) I only made it to level 15. Why? Because I could find enough entertainment value in the game to play more. I never once ran out of tokens, and I sure as hell never ground any missions to where they gave tiny amounts of ap.
  
  At this point though... there are no skills worth ranking. So there is no opportunity cost. You could try to argue that I need to repay that 120AP or however much I've spent so far on Meditate, but the simple fact of the matter is... if that ap can't be spen't on anything useful, it's not really a cost. Since spending it on meditate ensures that if/when I ever do get around to playing and go get to higher levels where other skills become available that are worth spending ap on, I'll have more ap than if I'd thrown it away ranking up garbage like ivy sweep.

  
  
  Just so you know, Ivy Sweep gains a 3rd attack at rank 9. It is a pretty sweet kick, does pretty good damage, too.
• cigs wrote on 2010-10-08 00:06

  Quote from Cryosite;178356:

  I think it's worth it to rank meditate. Perhaps not all the way up to rkA, but there is definitely at least a few ranks worth ranking up.
  
  Over the course of the full eab (or whatever acronym you want to call the early access beta) I only made it to level 15. Why? Because I could find enough entertainment value in the game to play more. I never once ran out of tokens, and I sure as hell never ground any missions to where they gave tiny amounts of ap.
  
  At this point though... there are no skills worth ranking. So there is no opportunity cost. You could try to argue that I need to repay that 120AP or however much I've spent so far on Meditate, but the simple fact of the matter is... if that ap can't be spen't on anything useful, it's not really a cost. Since spending it on meditate ensures that if/when I ever do get around to playing and go get to higher levels where other skills become available that are worth spending ap on, I'll have more ap than if I'd thrown it away ranking up garbage like ivy sweep.

  
  
  How can you make judgements and tell people what to spend their AP on when you haven't reached past level 15?
• eoneagle wrote on 2010-10-08 00:45

  Quote from cigs;178667:

  How can you make judgements and tell people what to spend their AP on when you haven't reached past level 15?

  
  
  This.
  
  At lv 15, you dont get any of the proish skills of EAOB.
  Smash mastery (smack smack BOOM),
  critical hit (flashy),
  combat resp( a MUST have IMO),
  counter attack for fiona (meh. pretty important i guess),
  that one fiona attack at lv 20ish (no idea),
  Willpower-strength-agility mastery (useful in many many many respects).
  
  And i'm probably missing alot of other 15+ skills. Most of these skills are a priority to level. I'm not entirely sure cause i dont play fiona that much :[
  
  I think all of these skills are worth ranking. Especially combat resp, smash mastery, critical hit (for LANN :D), strength mastery, and heavy armor mastery (didnt include this. I think this is VERY important if you wanna get better armor than crimson rage).
• Kueh wrote on 2010-10-08 01:32
  The more I meditate on it, the more and more I think meditation is worth it.
  
  I plan on playing Vindictus for more than just 1 year, after that I'll be ahead of the game.
  
  Still, I don't think I'll get meditation, since I would already have 2-3 times the Ap gained from Meditation from dungeons. (Meaning I'll already have 30,000-40,000 Ap in a year. At that point I don't think I need an advantage over players.)
• Okitaru wrote on 2010-10-08 01:41

  Quote from Whyrainfalls;178750:

  The more I meditate on it, the more and more I think meditation is worth it.
  
  I plan on playing Vindictus for more than just 1 year, after that I'll be ahead of the game.
  
  Still, I don't think I'll get meditation, since I would already have 2-3 times the Ap gained from Meditation from dungeons. (Meaning I'll already have 30,000-40,000 Ap in a year. At that point I don't think I need an advantage over players.)

  
  
  Probably much further :v
  But if you go so far and have LESS AP where does that get you :v
  You'll run out of AP to get off dungeons from the token system, so assuming that goes in my Fiona WILL have capped Medi
  Then depending on the full version with tokens will choose my Evie's meditation ranking.
• Cryosite wrote on 2010-10-08 10:27

  Quote from cigs;178667:

  How can you make judgements and tell people what to spend their AP on when you haven't reached past level 15?

  
  
  Perhaps I was unclear that what I was posting are my opinions. I don't see anywhere in my post that makes anything I said into advice for other players, let alone telling people what to do.
  
  And as for the level 15 thing, try actually reading a bit. It is my opinion that there are no skills at or before this level worth putting AP into. But that I know there are other skills that will become available at some point from leveling up and progressing along the storyline. So until those better skills become available, meditate is, in my OPINION, the best place to dump all the AP I had been earning anyway.
  
  

  Quote from eoneagle;178709:

  This.
  
  At lv 15, you dont get any of the proish skills of EAOB.
  Smash mastery (smack smack BOOM),
  critical hit (flashy),
  combat resp( a MUST have IMO),
  counter attack for fiona (meh. pretty important i guess),
  that one fiona attack at lv 20ish (no idea),
  Willpower-strength-agility mastery (useful in many many many respects).
  
  And i'm probably missing alot of other 15+ skills. Most of these skills are a priority to level. I'm not entirely sure cause i dont play fiona that much :[
  
  I think all of these skills are worth ranking. Especially combat resp, smash mastery, critical hit (for LANN :D), strength mastery, and heavy armor mastery (didnt include this. I think this is VERY important if you wanna get better armor than crimson rage).

  
  
  I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or Cigs. But none of those skills were available to me at the point I stopped playing. Many of those do sound a lot better than meditate.
• Ruquion wrote on 2010-10-08 15:27
  No skills worth ranking?
  At L15, you should have access to skills like Shield Mastery, Heavy Armor Proficiency, Heavy Stander, Guard, Strength Mastery, etc.
  You'd also need rD Combat Mastery for Smash Mastery later on
• TA wrote on 2010-10-24 21:14
  This is a really bad idea, don't do this. Especially now with the token system. @_@