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Singleuseonly wrote on 2010-11-02 04:32
Quote from qaccy;200859:
MP 30s, no. MP 10s on the other hand...why not? I think those'd be good enough, considering how valuable the game tries to make MP.
Yay superfueled CC firebolts!!! =D
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Okami wrote on 2010-11-02 06:33
Quote from qaccy;200859:
MP 30s, no. MP 10s on the other hand...why not? I think those'd be good enough, considering how valuable the game tries to make MP.
I would be okay with this. I would like there to be at least some kind of MP pot.. 10 is enough for me. I wouldn't be spamming it for my own usage much anyway since my mana pool decided to grow over the past few weeks...
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jking012 wrote on 2010-11-02 06:38
ppl... just make... 100's... seriously... it isnt that hard... stop QQing about being no mp pots in shop.. it would ruin the game imo :/
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Ailyene wrote on 2010-11-02 07:17
Yumyum MP 100 = money.
I can see the advantages of MP 10s being in shops and I doubt they could be useful for anything that requires tons of MP (ex. advanced magic) since you'd have to consume a lot at once to make one cast and most of the time, there just isn't enough time to spam the J button five times then cast ice spear or thunder or whatever.
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Deitylight wrote on 2010-11-02 13:21
Quote from Zid;201039:
It's a nice idea, but I can see why MP30s aren't sold in Healer Shops. It's to balance out Mana Shield, and also to limit newbies' usage of Blaze, a middle-class Magic skill they can gain early access to.
The real root of the problem is that Mana regenerates incredibly slowly compared to Stamina. Even r1 Meditation doesn't come close to natural Stamina regeneration, and that's without using r7+ Rest and a high rank Campfire. Low MP regeneration is a big turn off for newb mages.
I'm sorry I cannot see newbies spamming blaze/ middle class magic with just the use of mp 30 pots, for one the middle class magic besides thunder(they should be ranking this anyway) are hard to get in the first place, why so counter productive towards newbie mages may i ask?
Mana shield depends on the person's int and i would imagine they wouldn't have the int to use it until later levels. I can't see mp 30 pots being gamebreaking other then some players losing sales because it's sold in shops.
But yeah i wouldn't use em(maybe on my herb pig) and make more mp 100 pots as stated somewhere in that thread.
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Zid wrote on 2010-11-02 14:01
Quote from Deitylight;201210:
I'm sorry I cannot see newbies spamming blaze/ middle class magic with just the use of mp 30 pots, for one the middle class magic besides thunder(they should be ranking this anyway) are hard to get in the first place, why so counter productive towards newbie mages may i ask?
Mana shield depends on the person's int and i would imagine they wouldn't have the int to use it until later levels. I can't see mp 30 pots being gamebreaking other then some players losing sales because it's sold in shops.
But yeah i wouldn't use em(maybe on my herb pig) and make more mp 100 pots as stated somewhere in that thread.
I can see the use just fine. If people can spam CC+4 Firebolt with just MP10s, it's not as different as spamming Blaze with MP30s. Also, I never mentioned using any middle-class magic besides Blaze, which I mention specifically because it's easier to get than even Thunder.
rF Mana Shield with low Intelligence is fine. I use my alt's rF Mana Shield with about ~90 Int as much as I use my main's r6 Mana Shield with 300+ Int, and both saved lives. In either cases, Mana Shield is powerful and enabling the NPC sales of MP30s might not such be a balanced idea when considering Mana Shield of any rank and Intelligence.
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Sora0147 wrote on 2010-11-02 14:25
Well I know for normal bolt spamming it would be good...lets give bolt camping people in EvG more incentive 8D <--Bad idea
And on another note, then if players try selling mp potions it would most likely drop the overall price of them.
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gentrone wrote on 2010-11-02 15:20
I see the problem. Okay, let me ask this, if it wasn't because of the possible chaincast abuse and mana shield, would MP 30's be fine?:thumb:
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Sora0147 wrote on 2010-11-02 15:33
For most I suppose, but then again mp 100s <--Price would drop
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-11-02 15:53
No, 30 Mana pots would not be fine. You can just spam it for pot poison, and get it to be more than 30 mana each.
It really hurts the people who are trying to sell 100 mana pots, which in turn may discourages them from selling them.
Then again, this really only applies to people who buys/sells them. There are people who just make them themselves for their own use though.
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Crimmy wrote on 2010-11-03 13:15
Why are people complaining about the supposed abuse of mana shield? What's the difference between spamming the hp30 pots in the healer's shop and using mana shield with mp30's? Mana shield even has that mp drain.
And what actual mage uses mana shield anyway? I rarely if ever use it and I'm not even full mage.
They're mp30's, not mp100's. Sure there'd be a price drop but it's way more convenient to chug one pot instead of three. You've always got the mana herbs to sell to pot makers too.
Can we at least get a more legitimate reason to object to it other than "I want me moneys"?
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Aiyoku wrote on 2010-11-03 13:21
Okay, look at it as the game plays out. Not milletians, but the actual mabi folks. 99% of them can't use magic. Tarlach can, the old man in Tali can. Who else though? Stands to reason mp pots wouldn't be sold... >> It makes sense to me at least.
And honestly, if you want easier access to mp pots and you're too lazy to make pots, either A, buy them, or B, spam manus's ptj for MP30s. Enough said.
I don''t remember being able to purchase ethers in Final Fantasies. Find them or make them, selling them would make too many people near invincible.
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Chihaya wrote on 2010-11-03 13:29
I understand how much you might like this idea, but this will make some of the mages far too powerful; I could spam CC firebolt in certain dungeons and own it.
Plus, it'll get rid of the need for MP100s, which I sell at 25k/stack (main source of income atm)
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MrpewX2 wrote on 2010-11-04 04:11
low lv mage are srewed due to not having mp pots in shops
also its not fair, melee and range are more powerful and less ap intensive AND they get sp pots
let mages have there mp pots, so they have a chance, imagine having to chug 5 sp pots for a windmill and not being able to buy pots from the shop!
mabi is harsh to mages, and yet they get push down by people who greedy and want to sell mp pot; that sucks
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abc33kr wrote on 2010-11-04 04:36
Quote from MrpewX2;203637:
low lv mage are srewed due to not having mp pots in shops
also its not fair, melee and range are more powerful and less ap intensive AND they get sp pots
let mages have there mp pots, so they have a chance, imagine having to chug 5 sp pots for a windmill and not being able to buy pots from the shop!
mabi is harsh to mages, and yet they get push down by people who greedy and want to sell mp pot; that sucks
Mabinogi is made so that mages have hard time. The developers said it themselves that mages are supposed to be rare. Which means that being a mage won't be as easy as meele/range.
Even if there are good intentions (which there are not except for nubs QQing), developers won't add mp 30s to shops. Maybe if we get a mage for the C5 developer leader, but not under Moon we won't.