Generation 13!

• Jando wrote on 2010-11-19 05:16
  Intermediate magic deserve the nerf otherwise they would of had to made advance magic so op. Can you imagine how strong they would of made Hailstorm if Ice spear didn't get the 20% nerf?
  
  Blaze is just to op. If you fill the requirements its the god hacks, it can even overpower Spear of God. Even with a 25% nerf its still powerful. Bolts are alot stronger now with g13 and with the addition with the Trinity staff and Advance Magic; Hailstorm. Mages are gonna be awesome.
  
  As for Melee and Range...well we get awesome aswell with these masteries and the new down attack.
  
  The Shadow Clone skill is JP only as far as I know and its power is determined from the users stamina if I recall correctly. Don't expect it to be in MabiKR or MabiNA anytime soon.
• Akemii wrote on 2010-11-19 05:19

  Quote from Jando;221221:

  Intermediate magic deserve the nerf otherwise they would of had to made advance magic so op. Can you imagine how strong they would of made Hailstorm if Ice spear didn't get the 20% nerf?
  
  Blaze is just to op. If you fill the requirements its the god hacks, it can even overpower Spear of God. Even with a 25% nerf its still powerful. Bolts are alot stronger now with g13 and with the addition with the Trinity staff and Advance Magic; Hailstorm. Mages are gonna be awesome.
  
  As for Melee and Range...well we get awesome aswell with these masteries and the new down attack.
  
  The Shadow Clone skill is JP only as far as I know and its power is determined from the users stamina if I recall correctly. Don't expect it to be in MabiKR or MabiNA anytime soon.

  
  
  
  Yeah I don't see why everyonme thinks mages are gonna suck. I mean we're gonna get Bolt Composition which will be epic in many ways xD. I just hope charge isn't as long as it looks @.@
• Zid wrote on 2010-11-19 05:31

  Quote from gentrone;220910:

  1) That is not correct. If you didn't spend 150 AP, not only will you not get that additional 14 (FOURTEEN!!) damage, but you will actually hit way less. Let's see: as I have previously demonstrated, damage WITHOUT Magic Ice Mastery would be 312. That's 36 LESS damage than you would get with the CURRENT Int formula (-9%!!!). So in reality you're getting (36+14=50 less damage), so it's not much of a choice, right?

  
  
  There's a factor though, and that's Mana usage reduction. Casting cost reduction at r1 Ice Magic Mastery is -20%. Now, let's think about it in terms of r1 Ice Spear (Human) MP efficiency.
  
  At r1 Magic Mastery, 600 Int, and r1 Ice Spear (1 charge), you're doing 342-343 dmg on a clean monster. At the cost of 32 MP with a regular Ice Wand. Charge-to-Mana ratio is 10.7.
  
  With G13's new formula and r1 Ice Magic Mastery (along with above specifics), you'll be doing 358-359 dmg per charge. At 25-26 MP for that one charge. Charge-to-Mana ratio is around 14. You're pouring 156 AP into obtaining nearly 40% better MP efficiency on Ice Spear alone. I don't know about you, but if I was a high-end mage with 600 Int, I would gladly shell out 156 AP so I could save an incredible amount of MP supply (plus skill's bonus stats of Int and MP). Ice Magic Master title might also add 10% more MP efficiency for Ice magic too.
  
  Honestly, if it wasn't for the MP reduction bonus, I would have agreed with you on this matter. Bolt Magic is getting stronger (but it sadly won't ever surpass the basics of other skill sets) and more Mana efficient (meaning it's more feasible to use bolt magic more often now and as part of the mage's skill line up instead of being overshadowed). Bolt Composer already makes the awkward Magic Fusion setup into a very practical skill, bridging the powers and capabilities of both Basic Magic and Intermediate Magic.
  
  Really sad Blaze is getting nerfed and that the Combat Wand is going to get less love... again.
• Akemii wrote on 2010-11-19 05:32

  Quote from Zid;221250:

  There's a factor though, and that's Mana usage reduction. Casting cost reduction at r1 Ice Magic Mastery is -20%. Now, let's think about it in terms of r1 Ice Spear (Human) MP efficiency.
  
  At r1 Magic Mastery, 600 Int, and r1 Ice Spear (1 charge), you're doing 342-343 dmg on a clean monster. At the cost of 32 MP with a regular Ice Wand. Charge-to-Mana ratio is 10.7.
  
  With G13's new formula and r1 Ice Magic Mastery (along with above specifics), you'll be doing 358-359 dmg per charge. At 25-26 MP for that one charge. Charge-to-Mana ratio is around 14. You're pouring 156 AP into obtaining nearly 40% better MP efficiency on Ice Spear alone. I don't know about you, but if I was a high-end mage with 600 Int, I would gladly shell out 156 AP so I could save an incredible amount of MP supply (plus skill's bonus stats of Int and MP). Ice Magic Master title might also add 10% more MP efficiency for Ice magic too.
  
  Honestly, if it wasn't for the MP reduction bonus, I would have agreed with you on this matter.

  
  
  I love Vivi! <3
  
  and thanks for the post, I was beginning to fear that Mages would suck D: which means that Im already a suckish mage so I'd suck even moar D:
• otaku998 wrote on 2010-11-19 05:35
  A skill is being overpowered or not, base on damage alone is not enough really. Blaze might seems really powerful, but its range is really close. Also It require you using combat wand to deal full dmg, or you have to use Ice Spear + Blaze to deal as much dmg which cost quite a lot of MP also as well as being risky. About its splash dmg/effect, unlike the rest of Inter spell, you need to take one enemy coordinate the direction it will fly into the crowd to get this, and the dmg is not nearly as half of what the main target gets. This also involves some movements and risk, not safe to do blaze while lag.
  
  
  There are much to prevent Blaze from being an OP skill, it is just being as strong as it should be for who has spent that much AP to get Int to 600 and the skill itself to r1. Just my thought
• Akemii wrote on 2010-11-19 05:37

  Quote from otaku998;221259:

  A skill is being overpowered or not, base on damage alone is not enough really. Blaze might seems really powerful, but its range is really close. Also It require you using combat wand to deal full dmg, or you have to use Ice Spear + Blaze to deal as much dmg which cost quite a lot of MP also as well as being risky. There are much to prevent Blaze from being an OP skill, it is just being as strong as it should be for who has spent that much AP to get Int to 600 and the skill itself to r1. Just my thought

  
  
  How would I even go about achieving 600 intelligence?
• Tally wrote on 2010-11-19 12:55
  I just wonder what upgrades the arbalest is going to have. Without the upgrades, I won't know how it compares to the crossbow. :S
  
  On the other hand, if I r1 crossbow mastery, I can get ~103% crit with my enchants included. :D
  
  Though my heart lies in the bow's playstyle (especially since crash shot works best with bows anyway), shadow missions require the crossbow's crit rate, because everything in there has 308y4730897204890% protection.
• Jando wrote on 2010-11-19 13:11

  Quote from Tally;221443:

  I just wonder what upgrades the arbalest is going to have. Without the upgrades, I won't know how it compares to the crossbow. :S
  
  On the other hand, if I r1 crossbow mastery, I can get ~103% crit with my enchants included. :D
  
  Though my heart lies in the bow's playstyle (especially since crash shot works best with bows anyway), shadow missions require the crossbow's crit rate, because everything in there has 308y4730897204890% protection.

  
  
  Its called Crash Shot. High protection mobs worst nightmare. That and WM.
• Tally wrote on 2010-11-19 13:13
  I don't see anything about Crash Shot ignoring protection. And the wiki's down currently so I can't check if it does.
• otaku998 wrote on 2010-11-19 13:28
  Last time i checked, which was just several hours ago, Crash Shot does ignore protection for calculating crit.
• Jando wrote on 2010-11-19 13:47
  Thats why its one of the best Range skills ever created/added. 230 Ring bows actually have a use now.
• Tally wrote on 2010-11-19 13:49
  Alright, that's cool. Now give it a way to be spammable in practicality. (Unless it is at r5+, in that case I'm shooting for it with 10x the effort this weekend)
• gentrone wrote on 2010-11-19 20:50

  Quote from Zid;221250:

  There's a factor though, and that's Mana usage reduction. Casting cost reduction at r1 Ice Magic Mastery is -20%. Now, let's think about it in terms of r1 Ice Spear (Human) MP efficiency.
  
  At r1 Magic Mastery, 600 Int, and r1 Ice Spear (1 charge), you're doing 342-343 dmg on a clean monster. At the cost of 32 MP with a regular Ice Wand. Charge-to-Mana ratio is 10.7.
  
  With G13's new formula and r1 Ice Magic Mastery (along with above specifics), you'll be doing 358-359 dmg per charge. At 25-26 MP for that one charge. Charge-to-Mana ratio is around 14. You're pouring 156 AP into obtaining nearly 40% better MP efficiency on Ice Spear alone. I don't know about you, but if I was a high-end mage with 600 Int, I would gladly shell out 156 AP so I could save an incredible amount of MP supply (plus skill's bonus stats of Int and MP). Ice Magic Master title might also add 10% more MP efficiency for Ice magic too.
  
  Honestly, if it wasn't for the MP reduction bonus, I would have agreed with you on this matter. Bolt Magic is getting stronger (but it sadly won't ever surpass the basics of other skill sets) and more Mana efficient (meaning it's more feasible to use bolt magic more often now and as part of the mage's skill line up instead of being overshadowed). Bolt Composer already makes the awkward Magic Fusion setup into a very practical skill, bridging the powers and capabilities of both Basic Magic and Intermediate Magic.
  
  Really sad Blaze is getting nerfed and that the Combat Wand is going to get less love... again.

  
  
  Yeah, that is true. I thought about that as well. Considering Ice Mastery affects three spells (Ice Spear, Icebolt and Hailstorm), I did some math, and the mastery really makes Hailstorm stronger simply because of the damage output. The %variation of a high number will lead to a high number as well, which is why I used Ice Spear as an opposite example (low damage output). There was a post a few months ago that detailed break point where damage pre-G13 equals damage post-G13 with a given amount of Int. For Ice Spear it was about 740 Int (it considered the spell multiplier and five charges).
  
  MP efficiency will definitely a plus, even more if using a full mana reduction set like. Then again Hailstorm would outclass Ice Spear in terms of efficiency and damage (not only 1vs1), and the intermediate magic will become rather dull, like bolts now which only use is finishing off monsters (at least for Ice Spear). If I had known this before G13 was announced I wouldn't have put over 400 AP each Adv Magic, simply because I would have used my resources (AP) more efficiently in the "elite" magic (AP cost is almost the same). Seriously, at least they should have reduced AP cost of Inter Magic.
  Adv Magic in general will actually get better by 50~100 damage and more MP efficient with r1 masteries (the again, you would have to master THREE skills). Bolts get weaker even with 600Int, and no mastery of any kind.
  
  Bolt Mastery+Elemental Masteries=+580 AP just to get a decent damage! Of course, the fun part of G13 will be Hailstorm. Magicians, don't rank these masteries unless you have tons of AP! Go for Hailstorm or Bolt Composer instead!!!
  
  And yeah, unless they uncap Meditation combat wand will not be used that much. Lol, they might even release a "Blaze Mastery", +5% damage.
• Tally wrote on 2010-11-19 21:30
  Honestly, I'd encourage a use for combat wands outside of blaze. In fact, I'd say it should get the mana shield bonus instead of healing wand, but that's my opinion. Makes more sense that way. Perhaps it could have a general bonus to bolts of all types. More combat practical in any case.
• Fracture wrote on 2010-11-19 21:42

  Quote from abc33kr;221089:

  but you cant down attack with a bow.

  
  
  I drove the palm of my hand through the back of my skull.
  
  I very rarely, if ever, have bows in both slots. Also, you don't need a godly connection in the least, Crash Shot has a significant stun delay before it splashes. It even works with Magnum, provided you don't hit a massive lag spike. Remember-- DA is instant load and unblockable.
  
  

  Quote from Jando;221456:

  Thats why its one of the best Range skills ever created/added. 230 Ring bows actually have a use now.

  
  Yar. Using one, it would be feasible to have 450-600 Max attack with range. Considering you can deal 900% to a single target, plus 100% initial damage, along with crit and fire... Crash Shot is like windmill meets Full Swing, under moderately ideal circumstances.