Besides Kai/Karok/Staff, are the other classes "complete?"

• Andy-Buddy wrote on 2010-12-06 08:15

  Quote from Cucurbita;238724:

  They need mobs to have superarmor with low stun resist.
  This will make things more interesting.
  
  I was so excited when I saw hammerguards because I thought they would be weaker versions of gnoll chieftain. But they got normal hit stuns.
  Even if they were stunned by a strong smash or a single spear it would be nice. Just not so trash like it is now.
  
  And I wish the regular gnolls in boat 4 moved more like the werewolves do. That would make them actually hard to deal with.
  
  And archers could really use BETTER AIM. "Better to take out archers first" my ass. They're the least threatening enemies in the game. Sometimes they rarely get lucky and their arrows hit for like 40 damage. Those things fly with an arc of an airborne crumpled piece of paper.
  
  
  
  
  Source engine. Why the hell not?

  
  
  Elder Vampires (the fireball ones) were actually pretty effective rangers. Why not more of that, except faster/more extreme?
• ZandarEagle wrote on 2010-12-06 09:11
  Just to chime in on the topic with an interesting piece of news...I've been in a party of 4 on Hard Macha, Gnoll Chieftain, where someone was downed by regular mobs. (there were 2-3 Hammerguards at that time)
  
  It was a Level 43 Spear Lann with pretty decent armor (War Edge set I think, can't be sure) I wasn't paying very close attention so I don't know exactly how he died, but I saw the "xxxx has been incapacitated!" message clear as day.
  
  So...lag, bad player, or hard-hitting "trash mobs"? You decide :) Just letting you know it CAN happen, for whatever reason.
• BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2010-12-06 09:21
  bad player
  hammer does hurt
  but u can stun them so easily
• Kenero wrote on 2010-12-06 15:33
  A mob that uses Fury of Light that can keep -you- stun.
  
  Now that be interesting.
  
  I would love to see a doppleganger normal mob that can't be stopped or interrupted and if they are attacked by the same person they copied, the person gets 50% of the damage they deal to the doppleganger back, so they need their own allies to finish them off.
• Fathuran wrote on 2010-12-06 16:09

  Quote from Kenero;238820:

  A mob that uses Fury of Light that can keep -you- stun.
  
  Now that be interesting.
  
  I would love to see a doppleganger normal mob that can't be stopped or interrupted and if they are attacked by the same person they copied, the person gets 50% of the damage they deal to the doppleganger back, so they need their own allies to finish them off.

  
  
  Some people say that 'clones' of the player characters as enemies means that the devs are running out of ideas for baddies.
  
  Not me, though, I personally LOVE it when I am forced to fight a clone.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2010-12-06 16:23

  Quote from ZandarEagle;238759:

  Just to chime in on the topic with an interesting piece of news...I've been in a party of 4 on Hard Macha, Gnoll Chieftain, where someone was downed by regular mobs. (there were 2-3 Hammerguards at that time)
  
  It was a Level 43 Spear Lann with pretty decent armor (War Edge set I think, can't be sure) I wasn't paying very close attention so I don't know exactly how he died, but I saw the "xxxx has been incapacitated!" message clear as day.
  
  So...lag, bad player, or hard-hitting "trash mobs"? You decide :) Just letting you know it CAN happen, for whatever reason.

  
  
  He sucks. He was a lann. I usually joke about how lanns are given the poo end of the stick in vindickus, but he really shines against trash mobs thanks to his how mobility and wide striking areas. A hit from hammerguards in hard macha does indeed hurt, but not to the point where he should be dying.
  
  
  

  Quote from Fathuran;238829:

  Some people say that 'clones' of the player characters as enemies means that the devs are running out of ideas for baddies.
  
  Not me, though, I personally LOVE it when I am forced to fight a clone.

  
  
  Would've been cool in mabinogi if they weren't using fire burst. I didn't even have alchemy.
• Kueh wrote on 2010-12-06 16:38
  I think the mobs would be a lot less trashy if they didn't wait a full 5 seconds before making a really slow attack. They seriously just stand there and wait for you to kill them.
• Cucurbita wrote on 2010-12-06 16:54

  Quote from Whyrainfalls;238837:

  I think the mobs would be a lot less trashy if they didn't wait a full 5 seconds before making a really slow attack. They seriously just stand there and wait for you to kill them.

  
  
  They even do that "I'm going to attack you" gesture first so you know to hit them first.
  I'm sure by design that gesture was to help you prepare to block or evade, but instead its easier to just hit them. Problematic. They should at least get superarmor during an attack.
• Fathuran wrote on 2010-12-06 17:08

  Quote from Whyrainfalls;238837:

  I think the mobs would be a lot less trashy if they didn't wait a full 5 seconds before making a really slow attack. They seriously just stand there and wait for you to kill them.

  
  
  So very true...
  
  Perilous Ruin Gnolls: Crouch down and wait about... 3-4 seconds before rearing back for a bit and FINALLY swinging. Don't forget that half the time instead of attacking they just... bark at you.
  Perilous Ruin Gnoll Veterans: Rear back and take about two seconds to complete a swing. Just like the lesser gnolls, they just bark at you half the time instead of attacking.
  Hoarfrost Kobolds: Point, point, swing. Takes about 2-3 seconds for an attack.
  Hoarfrost Kobold Veterans (The double axe guys): Takes a second to go Nyaha! Before swinging his axes twice, only enemy that is actually quick to perform an attack, sadly.
  Ainle Goblins: Slow, lumbering.. well, he's enslaved, or mind controlled, whatever, doesn't help the fact he takes about 2-3 seconds to complete an attack animation.
  Ainle Goblin Officers: About the same as their lesser brethren.
  Ainle Vampire (No weapons): Takes a step back, then lunges forward with two attacks or just swings with one arm... kay, either one takes like 2 seconds. Only thing he has going for him is that he's a bit fast on his feet.
  Ainle Vampire Guards (lancers): All of their attacks take at least one or two seconds to complete, and is very blatant with the lance, so you can see it coming.
  Ainle Vampire Mages: Takes like 2-3 seconds to charge up a shot, but is actually kind of accurate, so if he's at a distance and you're distracted by other enemies, they can do a bit of damage, but are hardly a threat.
  Boat 4 Gnoll regulars: They're agile when they're on all fours, but when they're standing they prefer to just slowly strafe for like 3 seconds before they finally decide to do an attack animation that's about as fast as a Perilous Ruins Gnoll Veteran. If they had attacks like the 'Prairie Entrance Boss', meaning, they can attack on all fours, or heck, perform werewolf attacks, they'd actually be an interesting enemy.
  Boat 4 Hammerguards: Okay, these guys are supposed to have slow windups, and honestly, if you're in a big group with lesser gnolls and a couple hammers are around, then ehh, you might take a hit or two, but really, if you see one coming, just do a sprint smash (I'm Fiona) to do a quick stun. These guys are hardly a threat as long as you're aware.
  Boat 4 Archers: The only archers worth mentioning, they are quick to shoot off a shot, and are far more accurate than any other ranged enemy save for the Vampire mages. I like these enemies, because they are plentiful, and are actually an annoyance, but sadly, not something you have to worry about over your health.
  Wisps: Bounce and charge forward, woopdidoo.
  Spiders: =/
• Yanm wrote on 2010-12-06 19:03

  Quote from Fathuran;238847:

  So very true...
  
  Perilous Ruin Gnolls: Crouch down and wait about... 3-4 seconds before rearing back for a bit and FINALLY swinging. Don't forget that half the time instead of attacking they just... bark at you.
  Perilous Ruin Gnoll Veterans: Rear back and take about two seconds to complete a swing. Just like the lesser gnolls, they just bark at you half the time instead of attacking.
  Hoarfrost Kobolds: Point, point, swing. Takes about 2-3 seconds for an attack.
  Hoarfrost Kobold Veterans (The double axe guys): Takes a second to go Nyaha! Before swinging his axes twice, only enemy that is actually quick to perform an attack, sadly.
  Ainle Goblins: Slow, lumbering.. well, he's enslaved, or mind controlled, whatever, doesn't help the fact he takes about 2-3 seconds to complete an attack animation.
  Ainle Goblin Officers: About the same as their lesser brethren.
  Ainle Vampire (No weapons): Takes a step back, then lunges forward with two attacks or just swings with one arm... kay, either one takes like 2 seconds. Only thing he has going for him is that he's a bit fast on his feet.
  Ainle Vampire Guards (lancers): All of their attacks take at least one or two seconds to complete, and is very blatant with the lance, so you can see it coming.
  Ainle Vampire Mages: Takes like 2-3 seconds to charge up a shot, but is actually kind of accurate, so if he's at a distance and you're distracted by other enemies, they can do a bit of damage, but are hardly a threat.
  Boat 4 Gnoll regulars: They're agile when they're on all fours, but when they're standing they prefer to just slowly strafe for like 3 seconds before they finally decide to do an attack animation that's about as fast as a Perilous Ruins Gnoll Veteran. If they had attacks like the 'Prairie Entrance Boss', meaning, they can attack on all fours, or heck, perform werewolf attacks, they'd actually be an interesting enemy.
  [B]Boat 4 Hammerguards[/B]: Okay, these guys are supposed to have slow windups, and honestly, if you're in a big group with lesser gnolls and a couple hammers are around, then ehh, you might take a hit or two, but really, if you see one coming, just do a sprint smash (I'm Fiona) to do a quick stun. These guys are hardly a threat as long as you're aware.
  Boat 4 Archers: The only archers worth mentioning, they are quick to shoot off a shot, and are far more accurate than any other ranged enemy save for the Vampire mages. I like these enemies, because they are plentiful, and are actually an annoyance, but sadly, not something you have to worry about over your health.
  Wisps: Bounce and charge forward, woopdidoo.
  Spiders: =/

  
  
  So very true about everything, and I think when I first fought that Hammerguard, I was more surprised than anything else. In fact, when he first spawned I thought, "The heck, a gnoll chiefy clone?" What I didn't pay attention too was him winding up that hammer....well, I DID see him wind it up, but I didn't realize I was just running into a pillar, preventing me from going ANYWHERE the entire time, and him giving me a nice smash. Yeah, I facepalmed myself for getting hit and not paying attention, and I proceeded to slice and dice him up. I really wanted to smash him with that hammer though =/
• Kansi wrote on 2010-12-06 19:37
  Funny thing about gnoll archers, F9 and I dodge most of the arrows. I'm an Evie btw.
• Teaberry wrote on 2010-12-06 19:38

  Quote from Fathuran;238829:

  Some people say that 'clones' of the player characters as enemies means that the devs are running out of ideas for baddies.

  Hell, American RPGs from the present all the way back to D&D have enemies that used the exact same skills and setups as players. I think that makes the game more interesting.
• Kueh wrote on 2010-12-06 20:18

  Quote from ScoutNinja;238934:

  Funny thing about gnoll archers, F9 and I dodge most of the arrows. I'm an Evie btw.

  
  
  Funny thing about archers. Stop moving. They'll miss.
• babohtea wrote on 2010-12-06 22:59

  Quote from Cucurbita;238831:

  He sucks. He was a lann. I usually joke about how lanns are given the poo end of the stick in vindickus, but he really shines against trash mobs thanks to his how mobility and wide striking areas. A hit from hammerguards in hard macha does indeed hurt, but not to the point where he should be dying.
  
  
  Would've been cool in mabinogi if they weren't using fire burst. I didn't even have alchemy.

  
  
  Just saying: Lanns don't suck. At ALL.
• sircusa wrote on 2010-12-06 23:41
  I don't remember what was the main topic of the thread (As right now it doesn't really match the title =/) but the mobs are apparently dangerous on boat 6 with spear throwers, cannons, etc. I don't even know the mobs on boat 5. I agree though the boat 4 mobs are still just are dumb and weak. (Hammerguards should be the first mob you attack, that or archers since they die so quickly, no reason to be hit >_>)
  
  

  Quote from Fathuran;238829:

  Some people say that 'clones' of the player characters as enemies means that the devs are running out of ideas for baddies.
  
  Not me, though, I personally LOVE it when I am forced to fight a clone.

  
  
  Well you'll love whenever the hell this dungeon comes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzp1b9qz67E 3:30 has a bunch of gnoll bosses, 5:00 has the clones.