Upgradeable, enchantable 2-handed wieldable by elves (A first?)

• Hei wrote on 2010-12-16 16:45
  A two handed sword hardly helps elves to catch up in melee damage wise. They still need to deal with 2.5 second smash, 200% windmill, and on top of that the lack of dual wield. This sword boosts their smash damage, but what elf would choose 2.5 second smash when they can spam 0.5 second magnum with better damage and at a distance (except to deal with pd)?
• otaku998 wrote on 2010-12-16 16:50

  Quote from Sora0147;249763:

  I think its so dumb :< I don't like elves for a reason, minus my like 3 elf guildies cause they are not the little elf trolls who have nothing better to do with their time then piss people off I <3 cal, nem, and mir

  
  
  lol that is more like you are hating the players behind the charas then the race itself, also those kind of people are in every races not just elf ~
• Sora0147 wrote on 2010-12-16 16:57

  Quote from otaku998;249768:

  lol that is more like you are hating the players behind the charas then the race itself, also those kind of people are in every races not just elf ~

  
  
  I've never been ticked off to that extent by a giant or human >.> on mari, at least all I see is those damn elves....Last time I saw one doing it I just took out my ego wing bow and ar spammed, when I stopped and said aim at me, I'll kill you before you can shoot, they decided to be a jerk and do it, sure enough they died again so I turned my pvp off and they went off saying how I lost ._. I'm like GG, you have to tell yourself you are a winner so you don't feel like a loser, have a nice day. I never have these problems with giants/humans, plus the fact that they are always trying to give elves more, but giants have very little things, wrong in my opinion, lol...ironic I play as a human anyways.
• Kenero wrote on 2010-12-16 16:59

  Quote from Hei;249764:

  A two handed sword hardly helps elves to catch up in melee damage wise. They still need to deal with 2.5 second smash, 200% windmill, and on top of that the lack of dual wield. This sword boosts their smash damage, but what elf would choose 2.5 second smash when they can spam 0.5 second magnum with better damage and at a distance (except to deal with pd)?

  
  
  Oh no, I'm quite aware of their load time, however what I am trying to argue is that it's unfair. Even if Elves takes 2.5 second smash, the ability to wear heavy armor and two-handed weapons can make them do the SAME damage (600% smash damage) since they can use the same enchants (Avenger Darkness) for heavy armor now and now can use two-handed enchants (Crocodile, Lich). They essentially can match human/giant damage in melee two-handed combat, despite the .5 longer smash time with the gear and proper enchants.
  
  Two-handed sword damage wise and heavy armor wise, they essentially step into the platform of humans and overcome their racial weakness that was intended for them since the beginning of the game. Now that their melee damage with two-handed swords matches humans, it is now unfair for humans to have Elves deal the same damage they can with a two-handed sword.
  
  Giants on the other hand don't get a special bow they can use. They don't get magnum shot or regular range. Heck, even throwing attack has a cooldown, cannot be spammed like range, nor can you hold 500 or 1k javelins, unlike arrows.
• Nightingale wrote on 2010-12-16 17:09

  Quote from Kenero;249757:

  Edit: Isn't the description really saying:
  
  "Legend goes that after killing all of his close friends, a curse was bestowed upon him which he will live a lonely life forever."

  
  
  I like this translation a lot better. ^.^;;
• Morrigan wrote on 2010-12-16 17:12

  Quote from Yogurticecream;249630:

  Glad that someone saw what was wrong with the description.
  (Also, what friends will want to be his friends after killing all close friends? The curse is pretty redundant to begin with.)

  
  
  
  I lol'd.
  
  This looks pretty cool, looking forward to when we get it.
• Nalgor wrote on 2010-12-16 17:38
  Giants should get some type of giant bow that only them are strong enough to pull an arrow and shoot. Of course, it could be slow, but that'll be some range for giants, at least :/
• Cannibal wrote on 2010-12-16 17:42
  I don't get why people qq over what's fair and what's not. It's a game. Seriously? You'll live.
  
  Never understood why it mattered if one race is "better" than another or "more balanced", etc.
• Hei wrote on 2010-12-16 17:49

  Quote from Kenero;249772:

  Oh no, I'm quite aware of their load time, however what I am trying to argue is that it's unfair. Even if Elves takes 2.5 second smash, the ability to wear heavy armor and two-handed weapons can make them do the SAME damage (600% smash damage) since they can use the same enchants (Avenger Darkness) for heavy armor now and now can use two-handed enchants (Crocodile, Lich). They essentially can match human/giant damage in melee two-handed combat, despite the .5 longer smash time with the gear and proper enchants.
  
  Two-handed sword damage wise and heavy armor wise, they essentially step into the platform of humans and overcome their racial weakness that was intended for them since the beginning of the game. Now that their melee damage with two-handed swords matches humans, it is now unfair for humans to have Elves deal the same damage they can with a two-handed sword.
  
  Giants on the other hand don't get a special bow they can use. They don't get magnum shot or regular range. Heck, even throwing attack has a cooldown, cannot be spammed like range, nor can you hold 500 or 1k javelins, unlike arrows.

  
  
  Elves don't deal the same damage as humans or giants. As you probably know, aside from the intrinsic damage boost from str, the smash bonus is bigger when you are stronger.
  There's a difference of 74 str difference from skills between elves and humans, and 82 str difference between elves and giants.
  Also str gained from level up are a lot lower compared to humans and giants, until age 18 (impractical age for other more relevant and important stats).
  Elves get a slower and weaker version of human/giant smash and I honestly think in comparison they are better off spamming elf mag
• Kenero wrote on 2010-12-16 17:49

  Quote from Byte;249802:

  I don't get why people qq over what's fair and what's not. It's a game. Seriously? You'll live.
  
  Never understood why it mattered if one race is "better" than another or "more balanced", etc.

  
  
  Well, it's because I love the game that I want there to be some sort of balance.
  
  I want to see an even number of giants, elves, and humans. I want people to choose their race because it piques their interest. "Oh weaker in melee but great for range and magic? YES" "I want MELEE, THAT IS WHO I AM. So thus I become giant!" "I want to be able to use all, so become human".
  
  Yet when one race has a significant advantage or gets a boost to what is a racial weakness, it becomes unbalance and the ratio will drop. Even now giants are behind. If this goes on, fewer people will choose giants since they can be "Good in Magic and Range, and compete with humans in terms of defense (heavy armor) and two-handed weapon" as an elf. Why be human when you can be a Master Ranger and Better Magician with Great Defense and Two-hander with the ability to use said enchants?
  
  But I'll leave it here. I may just be blowing off steam and I apologize if I seem aggressive. I just feel bad for the giants.
  
  
  

  Quote from Hei;249807:

  Elves don't deal the same damage as humans or giants. As you probably know, aside from the intrinsic damage boost from str, the smash bonus is bigger when you are stronger.
  There's a difference of 74 str difference from skills between elves and humans, and 82 str difference between elves and giants.
  Also str gained from level up are a lot lower compared to humans and giants, until age 18 (impractical age).
  Elves get a slower and weaker version of human/giant smash and I honestly think in comparison they are better off spamming elf mag

  
  
  That's the thing. Elves at least have the option of performing some serious smash damage while giants don't have that option of doing some serious range damage over time.
  
  With the availability of what was essentially human-giant only enchants, it doesn't matter if the Human has 384 max damage and the elf has 362 with a two-handed weapon, that's still high for an elf and if it connects, it will hurt.
  
  I'll end my woes here. I don't want to argue something that may or may not come here. So I'll just leave it as is.
  
  Back on topic: The sword looks badass.
• Cannibal wrote on 2010-12-16 17:51
  It takes time for things to be balanced out, but giants are getting lances and new skills in which they have the "advantage".
  
  Can I QQ because my main is an elf and I can't use them?
  
  Doing your homework is a good idea.
• Kenero wrote on 2010-12-16 17:56
  Lances seem fun, I just wish they fine tune it a bit more. Hopefully more lance skills in the future.
  
  By the way, I do my homework and searches. However what you said does irritate me, but I'll just assume you didn't mean any hostility with that.
• Sora0147 wrote on 2010-12-16 18:01
  Come on now :< play nice boys and girls o/
• Kenero wrote on 2010-12-16 18:02

  Quote from Sora0147;249815:

  Come on now :< play nice boys and girls o/

  
  
  Fine, I'll concede. There's nothing to be won here and no harm done.
  
  And I apologize for any hard feelings~
• Cannibal wrote on 2010-12-16 18:06

  Quote from Sora0147;249815:

  Come on now :< play nice boys and girls o/

  
  I refuse. :pika_angel: