Upgradeable, enchantable 2-handed wieldable by elves (A first?)

• Fracture wrote on 2010-12-17 02:28

  Quote from Sora0147;249736:

  I think nexon is biased towards their little baby elves :< not fair, they get range boasts and stuff, then they got heavy armor, now this!?!? WTH Dx

  
  
  This. With the addition of the ability to use two-handers, elves are the most unrestricted race-- along with their racial buffs. Elven range is like AR on crack, insanely easy to use. They also get two race-specific skills, and a race-specific action. Furthermore, the ONLY equipment they cannot use at this point are lances and giant-specific weapons. Don't forget, too, their higher MP/INT and lower MP cost for IS. On top of all that, they move the fastest, with a S Wave Sweeper and demi making them outstrip slow horses.
  
  Devcat needs to stop babying the long-ears and make them work for something.
• Cide wrote on 2010-12-17 02:31

  Quote from Fracture;250383:

  This. With the addition of the ability to use two-handers, elves are the most unrestricted race-- along with their racial buffs. Elven range is like AR on crack, insanely easy to use. They also get two race-specific skills, and a race-specific action. Furthermore, the ONLY equipment they cannot use at this point are lances and giant-specific weapons. Don't forget, too, their higher MP/INT and lower MP cost for IS. On top of all that, they move the fastest, with a S Wave Sweeper and demi making them outstrip slow horses.
  
  Devcat needs to stop babying the long-ears and make them work for something.

  
  
  u jelly
• Cannibal wrote on 2010-12-17 02:37
  So jelly.
  
  Anyway, it's one weapon. We're all going to cry over one weapon. One weapon that's obvious extremely hard to obtain.
• NotAnElf wrote on 2010-12-17 02:39
  I thought the armors were limited time only?
  And isn't this sword only on CN server?
  
  God, elves are so babied
  
  And S Rank wave sweeper is so common....
  Man, us elves have it so good.
• soheikitsune wrote on 2010-12-17 02:54

  Quote from NotAnElf;250410:

  I thought the armors were limited time only?
  Limited time only doesnt mean an item will be difficult to obtain, especially if it is something of worth. People will pay money for them. Plus, end-game. You have everything you need.
  And isn't this sword only on CN server?
  Anything could happen and the sword could come out to any area if they choose to do so. Im sure there are examples of this but i don't care enough to find them.
  God, elves are so babied
  
  And S Rank wave sweeper is so common....
  If we are comparing end-game to end-game as we have been doing for the past, idk 3 pages, then you can't argue something being common. Because with enough time, in other words, at the end of the game when you have everything, rarity means literally nothing to you.
  Man, us elves have it so good.

  
  
  My two cents.
• NotAnElf wrote on 2010-12-17 02:59

  
  Limited time only doesnt mean an item will be difficult to obtain, especially if it is something of worth. People will pay money for them.

  it means not everyone can have them, and eventually due to the degradation of items, they will be gone. Unless they constantly use repair pots
  

  
  Anything could happen and the sword could come out to any area if they choose to do so. Im sure there are examples of this but i don't care enough to find them.

  It could not. It could be CN exclusive, like Bunshin is JP exclusive.
  
  

  
  If we are comparing end-game to end-game as we have been doing for the past, idk 3 pages, then you can't argue something being common. Because with enough time, in other words, at the end of the game when you have everything, rarity means literally nothing to you.

  Being end-game means nothing. Wave sweeper is rare as hell, getting an S is even rarer.
  You can have all the money in the world, but if the game still might not give it to you/anyone else.
• Fracture wrote on 2010-12-17 03:02
  To the people saying that heavy armour is LT offer, or that swords is hard to get- that's irrelevant. Fact is, elves are being allowed to use equipment that their race, for balance purposes, is not supposed to use. What if giants could use bows and humans, knuckles?
• Arsik wrote on 2010-12-17 03:03

  Quote from NotAnElf;250410:

  I thought the armors were limited time only?
  And isn't this sword only on CN server?
  
  God, elves are so babied
  
  And S Rank wave sweeper is so common....
  Man, us elves have it so good.

  
  
  The sword will be released to other servers as well, considering that it's a design contest winner. And if it's only 1-2 mil on the CN server, then it'll probably be that much or less when it comes here, since the CN server's items are generally more expensive compared to our own. If it's only 1-2 mil (the price of the Red/Black LLB before the latest fishing event), though while being rare, it isn't exactly that rare.
  
  Of course, since we get things differently than the other servers, chances are, there's a good probability that the sword will come in with a character card, and not implemented into fishing. With the huge hype for the sword, especially for Elves, the price of the weapon probably won't be more than 500k, if it follows the trend of all the other character card items.
  
  But compared to Giants, Elves are definitely pampered. Giants had a crappy range attack, and while now extremely powerful, is completely impractical aside from one or two bursts of damage. Elves were originally designed to not be able to wear heavy armors or wield two handed swords. They gave Elves the ability to use Brionac, because it wouldn't be fair to Elves that they now have a 1x5 item in their inventory that they can't use, especially considering that they need it for G12. Do Giants get any special treatment like that? They should be able to also equip Andras' Bow and use it, since that can be considered a Generation reward, and yet, if Giants accidentally choose that instead of the sword, then they have to trade or sell it.
  
  Giants, as said, are supposed to be the melee specialized race. And yet, they only get 5 different types of Heavy Armor (ignoring copies like the three versions of Rose Plate/Spaika Silver Plate Armor), and 8 types of Light Armor. Elves got access to all the Light Armors that Humans can use, plus those armors that are Elf exclusive, along with the Dragon Rider Plate Armor (a Heavy Armor that they could have easily just made a Light Armor to allow every race to use it) and there's also the Elf Berserk Armor, which as it would turn out, to be an Elf-exclusive Heavy Armor (though I don't think any version has it released yet, just sitting in the game data). So Elves, the nimble archer/mage archtype, has almost as many Heavy Armors as Giants, who are the war hardened melee archtype.
  
  Then you got the fact that devCAT never really nerfed any of the Elves' skills after release, where as Giants, who needed buffs for some skills, specifically for Throwing Attack, got the short end of the stick, considering that 25 seconds between each use of their primary range attack is overkill for being of any use. So, I would probably cut back on the sarcasm some. :V
• soheikitsune wrote on 2010-12-17 03:05

  Quote from NotAnElf;250437:

  
  It could not. It could be CN exclusive, like Bunshin is JP exclusive.
  

  
  
  There was a time that the Katana, Wakizashi, Tanto, Masamune, and Muramasa was believed to be JP exclusive. Around the time that it first came out there and NA just found out about it. Same way we are thinking about this sword and Bunshin.
  Just saying.
• NotAnElf wrote on 2010-12-17 03:06

  Quote from Fracture;250443:

  To the people saying that heavy armour is LT offer, or that swords is hard to get- that's irrelevant. Fact is, elves are being allowed to use equipment that their race, for balance purposes, is not supposed to use.

  
  If they weren't meant to use them, they wouldn't be allowed. This is obviously not the case, since DevCAT is allowing them to do so.
  

  What if giants could use bows

  They would do terrible damage.
  

  and humans, knuckles?

  They wouldn't, because knuckles are terrible.
  
  I see the point you're trying to make, but we have yet to get any of these anyway.
  
  

  Quote from Cruril;250446:

  The sword will be released to other servers as well, considering that it's a design contest winner. And if it's only 1-2 mil on the CN server, then it'll probably be that much or less when it comes here, since the CN server's items are generally more expensive compared to our own. If it's only 1-2 mil (the price of the Red/Black LLB before the latest fishing event), though while being rare, it isn't exactly that rare.

  It didn't win the global one, so I doubt that.
  

  
  
  Of course, since we get things differently than the other servers, chances are, there's a good probability that the sword will come in with a character card, and not implemented into fishing. With the huge hype for the sword, especially for Elves, the price of the weapon probably won't be more than 500k, if it follows the trend of all the other character card items.

  
  Elves still didn't get the elf chinese dragon armor helmet.
  

  
  But compared to Giants, Elves are definitely pampered.

  Giants are OP as hell.
  

  Giants had a crappy range attack,

  Elves have a crappy melee attack
  

  and while now extremely powerful, is completely impractical aside from one or two bursts of damage.

  No argument here.
  

  Elves were originally designed to not be able to wear heavy armors or wield two handed swords.

  Magic was originally designed with a crappy int damage formula.
  

  They gave Elves the ability to use Brionac, because it wouldn't be fair to Elves that they now have a 1x5 item in their inventory that they can't use, especially considering that they need it for G12.

  Impractical

  Do Giants get any special treatment like that? They should be able to also equip Andras' Bow and use it, since that can be considered a Generation reward, and yet, if Giants accidentally choose that instead of the sword, then they have to trade or sell it.

  Using that logic elves should be able to use tailltean two handed
  Both items are terrible, aren't very costly, and there's a wiki for this.
  

  
  Giants, as said, are supposed to be the melee specialized race. And yet, they only get 5 different types of Heavy Armor (ignoring copies like the three versions of Rose Plate/Spaika Silver Plate Armor), and 8 types of Light Armor.

  I don't see what melee oriented has to do with having armor variety.

  Elves got access to all the Light Armors that Humans can use, plus those armors that are Elf exclusive, along with the Dragon Rider Plate Armor (a Heavy Armor that they could have easily just made a Light Armor to allow every race to use it)

  Which has yet to be released, which is limited time, meaning there's a limited supply, meaning eventually there will be none.
  

  and there's also the Elf Berserk Armor, which as it would turn out, to be an Elf-exclusive Heavy Armor (though I don't think any version has it released yet, just sitting in the game data).

  That doesn't really say anything, there used to be an Elf AR in the skill data. It might still be there, I haven't checked package data in a while.
  

  So Elves, the nimble archer/mage archtype, has almost as many Heavy Armors as Giants, who are the war hardened melee archtype.

  1 is as many as 5? Woah.
  

  
  Then you got the fact that devCAT never really nerfed any of the Elves' skills after release, where as Giants, who needed buffs for some skills, specifically for Throwing Attack got the short end of the stick, considering that 25 seconds between each use of their primary range attack is overkill for being of any use.

  That wasn't a nerf. It's not practical to use now, but before it was pointless.

  So, I would probably cut back on the sarcasm some. :V

  
  I'm not being sarcastic.
• Arsik wrote on 2010-12-17 03:16

  Quote from NotAnElf;250451:

  They wouldn't, because knuckles are terrible.

  
  
  What are you talking about? Knuckles are amazing (against anything that doesn't have Level 2 HS or higher). They're excellent for Field Boss hunting, since the Bear Knuckles are a very fast 5 hit weapon with a decent Critical rate and high Balance along with a max that competes with stock NPC two handed weapons. It's extremely easy to get N+2 or even N+3 with them, and if you're lagless and can time your attacks well, and fighting an enemy that doesn't have any HS, then you can do an infinite combo. Being two handed weapons themselves, they can get Crocodile Lich enchanted on them, only further boosting their damage output. And if the person with the knuckles is rich enough, they might have the whole Chinese Dragon Armor set, thus further increasing their DPS output.
  
  Only downside to knuckles is again, they're terrible against enemies with HS2 or higher, and the low stun time, so they're not great for WMing or Smashing. But Knuckles are still extremely awesome and anything but terrible. Perhaps you should play a Giant for a little bit to try them out before judging. D:
• NotAnElf wrote on 2010-12-17 03:17

  Quote from soheikitsune;250450:

  There was a time that the Katana, Wakizashi, Tanto, Masamune, and Muramasa was believed to be JP exclusive. Around the time that it first came out there and NA just found out about it. Same way we are thinking about this sword and Bunshin.
  Just saying.

  
  There was a post somewhere saying it was a JP exclusive, I'm not sure where.
  
  

  Quote from Cruril;250464:

  What are you talking about? Knuckles are amazing (against anything that doesn't have Level 2 HS or higher). They're excellent for Field Boss hunting, since the Bear Knuckles are a very fast 5 hit weapon with a decent Critical rate and high Balance along with a max that competes with stock NPC two handed weapons. It's extremely easy to get N+2 or even N+3 with them, and if you're lagless and can time your attacks well, and fighting an enemy that doesn't have any HS, then you can do an infinite combo. Being two handed weapons themselves, they can get Crocodile Lich enchanted on them, only further boosting their damage output. And if the person with the knuckles is rich enough, they might have the whole Chinese Dragon Armor set, thus further increasing their DPS output.
  
  Only downside to knuckles is again, they're terrible against enemies with HS2 or higher, and the low stun time, so they're not great for WMing or Smashing. But Knuckles are still extremely awesome and anything but terrible. Perhaps you should play a Giant for a little bit to try them out before judging. D:

  
  Human with daggers will out-hit knuckles.
  
  There's no practical use for them since dual wielding iron maces and wming, or smashing with a two handed axe or sword would out damage them.
  I've used a giant, which is why I can judge!
• Fracture wrote on 2010-12-17 03:23

  Quote from NotAnElf;250451:

  
  Elves have a crappy melee attack

  
  Elves melee is barely nerfed at all, actually. The gap is mostly maintained by elves not being able to use 2H and dual wield.
• soheikitsune wrote on 2010-12-17 03:26

  Quote from NotAnElf;250467:

  There was a post somewhere saying it was a JP exclusive, I'm not sure where.

  
  
  Not to drag this to death, but there were posts saying that those weapons were JP exclusive, but I am in the same boat as you. I'm not sure where. Or I dont care enough to look for it. What I am trying to say is that we are just players.
  
  There is no one from devCat here who can say for certain that a skill or weapon will NEVER be available to other countries.
  
  Of course, feel free to prove me wrong.
• NotAnElf wrote on 2010-12-17 03:28

  Quote from Fracture;250477:

  Elves melee is barely nerfed at all, actually. The gap is mostly maintained by elves not being able to use 2H and dual wield.

  
  And the load time on smash, terrible multiplier on windmill, lack of melee enchants.