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Byte wrote on 2010-12-19 00:51
The don't ask don't tell policy should have stayed in place in my opinion. I would not want to know some guy in the shower room with me is homosexual because I would indeed feel that he shouldn't be there and it would in fact lower my ability to perform the duty I signed up for. Seeing as I am indeed a homophobe, I would feel a slight uncertainty in his ability to do the job as well as another man who is straight, especially if he acted like a teeny girl who likes to go shopping, seeing as they can still be drafted. Seeing as a majority of other men in the military feel this way too, this policy should have indeed stayed in play. Now, I have no problem telling your best friend who you signed up for the military with, but telling it to someone who is just in your unit would make them feel uncomfortable.
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EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-12-19 00:55
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The only real problem I see with it, is that most gay people are gay for the smex. Huge distraction on the battle field. Heck, Gays period are going to result in less cooperation and more disdain in general.
This would have made as much sense:
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The only real problem I see with it, is that most straight people are straight for the smex. Huge distraction on the battle field. Heck, Straight period are going to result in less cooperation and more disdain in general.
Did you forget that there are both man and woman in the military nowadays?
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Sleeperdial wrote on 2010-12-19 01:00
I think thats extremely immature, childish and weak of you to be so prejudice. Gays are no less capable than other people and for you to say that makes even me angry at you and I'm straight.
Edit: I got ninja'd by Endless, this was meant for Courier.
@Endless: Thats true however men and women have almost no free time and are always in separate sleeping quarters.
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Lan wrote on 2010-12-19 01:02
Quote from Courier;252585:
The don't ask don't tell policy should have stayed in place in my opinion. I would not want to know some guy in the shower room with me is homosexual because I would indeed feel that he shouldn't be there and it would in fact lower my ability to perform the duty I signed up for. Seeing as I am indeed a homophobe, I would feel a slight uncertainty in his ability to do the job as well as another man who is straight, especially if he acted like a teeny girl who likes to go shopping, seeing as they can still be drafted. Seeing as a majority of other men in the military feel this way too, this policy should have indeed stayed in play. Now, I have no problem telling your best friend who you signed up for the military with, but telling it to someone who is just in your unit would make them feel uncomfortable.
Something I heard. Just because he's gay doesn't mean he'll be attracted to you. I'm straight and I don't find Rosie O'Donnell attractive.
Though I can see your reasoning.
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Chillax wrote on 2010-12-19 01:05
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Seeing as I am indeed a homophobe, I would feel a slight uncertainty in his ability to do the job as well as another man who is straight, especially if he acted like a teeny girl who likes to go shopping, seeing as they can still be drafted.
What if the gay man was a better shooter and more fit than you are?
Quote from Courier;252585:
Seeing as a majority of other men in the military feel this way too, this policy should have indeed stayed in play.
Do you have statistics?
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Now, I have no problem telling your best friend who you signed up for the military with, but telling it to someone who is just in your unit would make them feel uncomfortable.
What if someone in the unit sees a picture of the gay man and his boyfriend and asks who the people in the picture are?
I think you should give gays more credit. Not all of them act incredibly feminine and weak.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-12-19 01:21
Quote from Courier;252585:
The don't ask don't tell policy should have stayed in place in my opinion. I would not want to know some guy in the shower room with me is homosexual because I would indeed feel that he shouldn't be there and it would in fact lower my ability to perform the duty I signed up for. Seeing as I am indeed a homophobe, I would feel a slight uncertainty in his ability to do the job as well as another man who is straight, especially if he acted like a teeny girl who likes to go shopping, seeing as they can still be drafted. Seeing as a majority of other men in the military feel this way too, this policy should have indeed stayed in play. Now, I have no problem telling your best friend who you signed up for the military with, but telling it to someone who is just in your unit would make them feel uncomfortable.
You are silly.
If you are showering with other men in the first place, you should know that people will indeed look at you and indeed think thoughts. Crazy thoughts sometimes. Thoughts about your genital size, how fit you are.
Whether someone is gay or not does not affect how confident you are about yourself and your body. When a gay hits on you, it's a compliment, not a curse. Why would you think that?
Like I said before, not all gay people want to sleep with you, Byte. You are probably not the most attractive male in the world--I am not either--so why think that in the first place?
The only uncomfortable person is those people who are insecure. Men who go to war don't worry about people's sexualities; that's not their top priority. And also, most officials believed it was time to repeal the law, so no, most important didn't believe that this was right.
Also, you should not be proud of being a homophobe. One's sexuality does not affect one's ability to do work. If it does, then it's not the gay person who has the problem; it's the homophobe.
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Byte wrote on 2010-12-19 01:36
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Something I heard. Just because he's gay doesn't mean he'll be attracted to you. I'm straight and I don't find Rosie O'Donnell attractive. Though I can see your reasoning.
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What if the gay man was a better shooter and more fit than you are?
I don't need to know he's gay.
Do you have statistics?
Sure, look at military history.
What if someone in the unit sees a picture of the gay man and his boyfriend and asks who the people in the picture are?
How would you know he's gay unless he's told.
I think you should give gays more credit. Not all of them act incredibly feminine and weak.
As I stated, if I KNEW the person was homosexual it would AFFECT ME. I don't care if he's a better shooter it would lower my skills because I would worry about it.
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You are silly.
If you are showering with other men in the first place, you should know that people will indeed look at you and indeed think thoughts. Crazy thoughts sometimes. Thoughts about your genital size, how fit you are.
When you're in highschool maybe. In the "real-world" no one cares what you look like, but if I felt someone was staring at me checking out my size and I knew he was homosexual, I'd feel uncomfortable.
Whether someone is gay or not does not affect how confident you are about yourself and your body. When a gay hits on you, it's a compliment, not a curse. Why would you think that?
Like I said before, not all gay people want to sleep with you, Byte. You are probably not the most attractive male in the world--I am not either--so why think that in the first place?
How would I know and if I asked him, how would I know he's not lying because he's shy?
The only uncomfortable person is those people who are insecure. Men who go to war don't worry about people's sexualities; that's not their top priority. And also, most officials believed it was time to repeal the law, so no, most important didn't believe that this was right.
I'm perfectly secure with myself, my beliefs are the things that make me seem insecure. Otherwise I'm perfectly fine with it.
Also, you should not be proud of being a homophobe. One's sexuality does not affect one's ability to do work. If it does, then it's not the gay person who has the problem; it's the homophobe.
How did anything I say state I was proud to be a homophobe? One's sexuality doesn't affect THEIR ability, but if affects mine. I would rather NOT know than know.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-12-19 01:41
Then work on it!
Because being gay isn't at all bad. If we shouln't allow gays to serve openly in the military, then we shouldn't let them be open about it in schools or in restaurants or anywhere else.
Because if I'm a cook and I know that my chef partner is gay, that will obviously lower my ability to perform my work correctly. I might put too much hot sauce in a dish because I'm terrified of him checking me out.
:what:
See the problem with that sort of mindset? If your performance is affected because of someone else's personal life (something that doesn't involve you), that's your fault.
Doesn't justify that we should kick a good chef out of restaurant because you have a problem with his sex life though.
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Sleeperdial wrote on 2010-12-19 01:48
Courier, its one thing to not agree with being Gay. Thats fine. But when you get to the point of shunning gays just because they're gay then your the one thats wrong. Thats whats wrong with a lot of people.
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Chillax wrote on 2010-12-19 01:49
I don't need to know he's gay.
What makes you think he's going to tell you if you don't ask?
Sure, look at military history.
I meant polls conducted. Policies made by the government affecting the military aren't always representative of the mindset of the whole military body.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/military-poll-backs-army-gays-20101201-18gly.html
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Byte wrote on 2010-12-19 02:10
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Then work on it!
Because being gay isn't at all bad. If we shouln't allow gays to serve openly in the military, then we shouldn't let them be open about it in schools or in restaurants or anywhere else.
Because if I'm a cook and I know that my chef partner is gay, that will obviously lower my ability to perform my work correctly. I might put too much hot sauce in a dish because I'm terrified of him checking me out.
:what:
See the problem with that sort of mindset? If your performance is affected because of someone else's personal life (something that doesn't involve you), that's your fault.
Doesn't justify that we should kick a good chef out of restaurant because you have a problem with his sex life though.
I wouldn't fire someone from a job because he's homosexual But, if it affected his work, or if he hit on people at work, he would be fired on those grounds.
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Courier, its one thing to not agree with being Gay. Thats fine. But when you get to the point of shunning gays just because they're gay then your the one thats wrong. Thats whats wrong with a lot of people.
I do not shun them, I merely do not like them around me. I hang out with a few gay people but I've told them I don't agree with it, and they're fine with that.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-12-19 02:27
Well, it doesn't affect their work. It never does. Whether you eat apples or oranges, how does that affect your ability to perform a task? It does not.
And other people should not care whether you prefer apples or oranges. It doesn't affect them either.
They're not gonna hit on you. They're not there for that. And again, you shouldn't shun them. How can you even say that, that you don't like them around you? That's like saying that you don't like Black people around you. It's not right. It's not even cool to acknowledge.
You have no reason whatsoever to feel this way towards gay people. I hope you understand that.
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Byte wrote on 2010-12-19 02:52
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Well, it doesn't affect their work. It never does. Whether you eat apples or oranges, how does that affect your ability to perform a task? It does not.
And other people should not care whether you prefer apples or oranges. It doesn't affect them either.
They're not gonna hit on you. They're not there for that. And again, you shouldn't shun them. How can you even say that, that you don't like them around you? That's like saying that you don't like Black people around you. It's not right. It's not even cool to acknowledge.
You have no reason whatsoever to feel this way towards gay people. I hope you understand that.
It discomforts me, therefore I have a reason. Things that discomfort me greatly I avoid. I'm not some extremist who runs down the street saying "BURN THE GAYS THEY DONT DESERVE TO BE HERE". I'm just someone who disagree's with it. I'm not judging you, nor anyone else, I just have a problem with it.
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Kueh wrote on 2010-12-19 02:56
Can I ask you a question Byte?
What if there was a person you did not feel uncomfortable around, and you were in the same room as them, not feeling uncomfortable.
Then it was revealed to you that that person was gay.
Would you suddenly, without any other changes, feel uncomfortable?
If so, it's not a problem with the gay person.
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Phunkie wrote on 2010-12-19 03:04
Avoiding two or three people you don't like because of their personality is completely fine. Avoiding a group of people because they all cause you discomfort is wrong. There's just no good reason for it. I'm trying to place myself in your tight shoes, but I can't find any good reason for your discomfort, for avoiding people you don't even know.
It's quite nonsensical, IMO.
And you avoid all the other statements I make. This isn't the first time you've said that you think gay people want to rape someone or stick it up another person's butt, or that they're all gonna hit on people of the same sex. That's silly.
I joke around with you, Byte, but I have no intentions whatsoever in getting to you know like that. I'm pretty sure other gay people don't either. If they like someone, they'll drop a compliment or two. They don't rape people. People rape people. People sexually harass people. Women, men, you can even get sexually harassed by a child these days.
I personally think old people having sex is not a great sight to look at. But is it my life? NO. Therefore, I don't care if they have sex or not. I'm not gonna suddenly stop being friends with older people because old people sex is disgusting. That's immature. While you may have a right to feel discomfort, it should not prompt you to discriminate people. It's called respect.
I don't like gangsters. But I don't think all of them carry guns. I don't judge them unless I see something for myself that I don't like. I don't follow stereotypes. You shouldn't either.