Glitch in Cor :D

• Phunkie wrote on 2011-01-04 23:47
  I do admit that glitches are convenient. Abusing them is very convenient.
  
  As long as it isn't game-breaking or affects other people negatively, I guess they're fine.
  
  Like I said, if you river walk in parts where people can't reach, good for you. Just don't mess up someone else's raft. And also, don't get banned over a silly little glitch.
• Everwanderer wrote on 2011-01-04 23:51

  Quote from Phunkie;276085:

  I do admit that glitches are convenient. Abusing them is very convenient.
  
  As long as it isn't game-breaking or affects other people negatively, I guess they're fine.
  
  Like I said, if you river walk in parts where people can't reach, good for you. Just don't mess up someone else's raft. And also, don't get banned over a silly little glitch.

  
  
  People tend to ignore this little fact that house owners DO get ticked off when people spam their coupons but don't buy their crap~
  Wouldn't that count as affecting player's negatively?
• Cryosite wrote on 2011-01-05 00:23
  Well, to be fair, it is possible to affect people negatively without glitching. Get on the raft and drag hobs way out of their spawn point (low rank firebolt and magnum are useful for this, and it isn't hard to make a thunder-user behind you have a less convenient time rafting, possibly even deny them a hob or two depending on where you can magnum a particular mob to. Same with housing, you could just go to someone's house and repeatedly use up all their coupons, etc. Heck, even something assassin like waiting around at the starting dock til you see someone approach to start a raft, then rush in and get your own raft in first just to make sure they have to wait or cc.
  
  Any time two players compete for the same thing, one of them is going to be negatively affected by the success of the other. I think that as long as the inconvenience is reasonably low (i.e. only fighting a cluster or two of hobs, as opposed to camping the entire river, taking one or two coupons out of the 100 they have, and using housing to travel sparingly) then it isn't a big deal.
  
  And it is blatantly obvious the opinion of several people that they think "cheating" is wrong. That's fine. My stance is that the only "wrong" involved is that a txt document posted by Nexon says some stuff, and there is some degree of dishonesty involved in saying I agree to their terms when I don't. But since they habitually don't enforce it (there are other games where this sort of policy is much more heavily enforced) and do nothing to fix it, I don't consider it wrong to do so. I consider it fair play for the "wrongs" done to the playerbase by Nexon. At the risk of sounding like making an excuse or justification, I consider it a form of nonviolent protest. If I felt Nexon respected me as a customer, I'd respect them.
  
  I don't intend to get myself banned. However, if I did recieve a permaban, so be it. Nexon loses themselves a customer, as is their right to do as the owner of this game. I would be somewhat upset that I couldn't play my favorite game, but I'd get over it and find something else to do. I've spent a good deal of money and time here, but every cent I've paid I've gotten my use and entertainment of, and the time wasted doing something I like was not wasted time.
  
  @Juno yes I know very well whom you refer to. Not that it is on topic, but he never got banend despite the rumors otherwise. He merely experienced a glitch (ironically) that affected a small number of people (not all of whom were river walking or otherwise glitching). Nexon fixed that glitch, and he returned to the game... where he last logged out. the river.
  
  Yes there are better methods of leveling. Hence why I don't tend to river walk, though those better methods stop being so much better when you can get x8 exp from mobs. Even x4 exp makes it hard to beat. And as far as skill training goes, also agreed. I don't think I've ever tried to train skills river walking. I have gotten training done while legitimately rafting with some smart use of cp gear though. I think I've gotten far more skill training value out of tnn and rano than the river though.
  
  @Everwanderer: mentioned that twice in this thread myself. :p
• krpr wrote on 2011-01-05 00:32
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  If i was rafting for stars, id be really pissed off since i can take out those. I let it go since i was only rafting for thick threads. 7 is more than enough
  Now, i used a coupon to get to the dock from the logging camp so i could raft while that noob used one coupon to get INTO the river to kill the hobos i was supposed to. Did i annoyed someone? no, who knows if the house owner got pissed because i used his coupon. Did that person annoyed someone? yes, me and everyone that rafted before me and was going to raft next and probably even the house owner too
  
  Stop putting everyone in the same bag =_=
  
  Edit: funny how that noob was spamming crash shot. Know how i got the master title? their method spam for multiple hits, SCC hm for multiple kills, then i just spammed crash in the pigs in qilla, if i were to run out of MP id run to the mana tunnel and regen
• Piconoe wrote on 2011-01-05 00:36

  Quote from Cryosite;276191:

  Well, to be fair, it is possible to affect people negatively without glitching. Get on the raft and drag hobs way out of their spawn point (low rank firebolt and magnum are useful for this, and it isn't hard to make a thunder-user behind you have a less convenient time rafting, possibly even deny them a hob or two depending on where you can magnum a particular mob to. Same with housing, you could just go to someone's house and repeatedly use up all their coupons, etc. Heck, even something assassin like waiting around at the starting dock til you see someone approach to start a raft, then rush in and get your own raft in first just to make sure they have to wait or cc.
  
  Any time two players compete for the same thing, one of them is going to be negatively affected by the success of the other. I think that as long as the inconvenience is reasonably low (i.e. only fighting a cluster or two of hobs, as opposed to camping the entire river, taking one or two coupons out of the 100 they have, and using housing to travel sparingly) then it isn't a big deal.
  
  And it is blatantly obvious the opinion of several people that they think "cheating" is wrong. That's fine. My stance is that the only "wrong" involved is that a txt document posted by Nexon says some stuff, and there is some degree of dishonesty involved in saying I agree to their terms when I don't. But since they habitually don't enforce it (there are other games where this sort of policy is much more heavily enforced) and do nothing to fix it, I don't consider it wrong to do so. I consider it fair play for the "wrongs" done to the playerbase by Nexon. At the risk of sounding like making an excuse or justification, I consider it a form of nonviolent protest. If I felt Nexon respected me as a customer, I'd respect them.
  
  I don't intend to get myself banned. However, if I did recieve a permaban, so be it. Nexon loses themselves a customer, as is their right to do as the owner of this game. I would be somewhat upset that I couldn't play my favorite game, but I'd get over it and find something else to do. I've spent a good deal of money and time here, but every cent I've paid I've gotten my use and entertainment of, and the time wasted doing something I like was not wasted time.
  
  @Juno yes I know very well whom you refer to. Not that it is on topic, but he never got banend despite the rumors otherwise. He merely experienced a glitch (ironically) that affected a small number of people (not all of whom were river walking or otherwise glitching). Nexon fixed that glitch, and he returned to the game... where he last logged out. the river.
  
  Yes there are better methods of leveling. Hence why I don't tend to river walk, though those better methods stop being so much better when you can get x8 exp from mobs. Even x4 exp makes it hard to beat. And as far as skill training goes, also agreed. I don't think I've ever tried to train skills river walking. I have gotten training done while legitimately rafting with some smart use of cp gear though. I think I've gotten far more skill training value out of tnn and rano than the river though.
  
  @Everwanderer: mentioned that twice in this thread myself. :p

  
  
  It's not the fact that you are affecting someone negatively, it's the fact that you are exploiting a glitch or bug to have an advantage over someone or negatively affect others WITH THAT GLITCH/BUG that makes it bad.
  
  It's also less that it's someone exploiting a glitch or bug, it's the fact that they are having an unfair advantage over someone or negatively affecting others in ways that are impossible without the glitch or bug.
  
  Take the initial thread starter for instance. That kind of glitch is fine. The person doing it only did it as a 'Oh, hey, look at this'. You can also do the same thing with the river glitch. If I were to be rafting and I see someone out in the river dancing, out of everyone's aggro range and all the monsters were all alive and undamaged, I'd probably not care. And if they were to make an angry emote and start yelling "GET OFF MY PROPERTY! I'M SHOOT YOU!", started casting Fireball, and shouted curses at me as I drifted off, unable to fire at me due to the long casting time, I'd laugh my ass off.
  
  The guy in the second example might be doing the exact same bug, but it's all about their intent. In no way shape or form is he getting an advantage in the game that rule followers can't achieve like you guys with your easy access to skill training and experience. He also is not negatively affecting other players by kill stealing from them monsters that could not be kill stealed at ALL without the use of the glitch.
• Ryoko wrote on 2011-01-05 04:49

  Quote from krpr;276211:

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  If i was rafting for stars, id be really pissed off since i can take out those. I let it go since i was only rafting for thick threads. 7 is more than enough
  Now, i used a coupon to get to the dock from the logging camp so i could raft while that noob used one coupon to get INTO the river to kill the hobos i was supposed to. Did i annoyed someone? no, who knows if the house owner got pissed because i used his coupon. Did that person annoyed someone? yes, me and everyone that rafted before me and was going to raft next and probably even the house owner too
  
  Stop putting everyone in the same bag =_=
  
  Edit: funny how that noob was spamming crash shot. Know how i got the master title? their method spam for multiple hits, SCC hm for multiple kills, then i just spammed crash in the pigs in qilla, if i were to run out of MP id run to the mana tunnel and regen

  
  
  I've seen someone in the river 4 times to train their skills. (No names mentioned, but you probably have too.)
  And then they ask.
  "Still here?"
  WHY ARE YOU. Is my response. :D
  But he was at the end of the river where the last bits of hobs are, so it wasn;t too much of a deal to me since I could get the amount of stars I needed. :sigh:. But I suppose most won't stop doing it as long as boredom hits...
• krpr wrote on 2011-01-05 04:55

  Quote from Ryoko;276819:

  I've seen someone in the river 4 times to train their skills. (No names mentioned, but you probably have too.)
  And then they ask.
  "Still here?"
  WHY ARE YOU. Is my response. :D
  But he was at the end of the river where the last bits of hobs are, so it wasn;t too much of a deal to me since I could get the amount of stars I needed. :sigh:. But I suppose most won't stop doing it as long as boredom hits...

  
  
  I dont mind when people are doing their glitch stuff on the melee hobos, right before the last dock. I guess you know which ones
  By that time i usually already have 31 stars and even if i dont, i try to aim to the hobos in the right side (unless im farming mats, i play dead instead).
  
  Now do that before the 2nd dock when it's hard as hell to get 31 stars. Now thats a dick move
  
  
  Theres even hobos on the turn to the metallurgy spot, want to glitch? go glitch where nobody is harmed with it
• Ailyene wrote on 2011-01-05 05:00
  I dislike it even when they glitch at the warriors because even if I have enough stars, I like to get a warrior to jump onto my raft and kill me so I can quickly respawn back on the dock. I would prefer if they just don't kill anything while I'm passing by.
• krpr wrote on 2011-01-05 05:08

  Quote from Ailyene;276854:

  I dislike it even when they glitch at the warriors because even if I have enough stars, I like to get a warrior to jump onto my raft and kill me so I can quickly respawn back on the dock. I would prefer if they just don't kill anything while I'm passing by.

  
  
  exactly, there's places where crash users and thunder users can't hit no matter how good they are like the right turn to the waterfall
• Cryosite wrote on 2011-01-05 08:54
  I already mentioned I think the right fork is probably the spot that most river walkers should go to in order to avoid ruffling anyone's feathers. That last spawn is rather ideal for leveling during double exp events+exp potion though, as you can cycle through 4 cluster of mobs with Thunder and experience almost no delay at any point in the cycle... you're killing basically nonstop.
  
  Everyone training crash shot, single-target skills, or just "botting to level with water cannon" probably should go to the right fork though.
  
  

  Quote from Piconoe;276219:

  It's not the fact that you are affecting someone negatively, it's the fact that you are exploiting a glitch or bug to have an advantage over someone or negatively affect others WITH THAT GLITCH/BUG that makes it bad.
  
  It's also less that it's someone exploiting a glitch or bug, it's the fact that they are having an unfair advantage over someone or negatively affecting others in ways that are impossible without the glitch or bug.
  
  

  
  
  This is the point where we flat out just disagree, and probably can't come to an agreement on. I don't see how it becomes worse when someone negatively impacts your gameplay just because some glitch was used. Negative imact is not less than negative impact+glitch involved.
  
  If someone is doing a thunder rotation on the last four hob cluster of the river, you stand to lose up to 16 hobs worth of stars, though at the end where you are least likely to need them. If they are doing Crash shot training, you could potentially be missing out on up to 14-21, depending on where they are training, how fast they are killing, and so on. If the person is using some single target skill I'd be surprised if you were missing out on more than 5 hobs. Most of the people I see on the river are that last category.
  
  If you can't get to your desired number of stars by the end of the raft, and need those hobs to do so, then you're not rafting as well as you could be. Overall, I consider this "negative impact" very small, and the "you're doing something bad" to be the big part of the annoyance. That's why I take the stance that the response of "get over it, so what" is justified.
  
  By contrast, the one-charge FB + stand at MT and hit anywhere on the map activities of certain guild leaders in Ruairi in the past could easily wipe out the entire population of the river at times. I see a lot more justification in being upset about that one... and hey look, Nexon actually did something about that one but still didn't ban anyone).
• Pocoyo wrote on 2011-01-05 14:17

  Quote from Phunkie;276034:

  Actually, when you think about it, this post is unnecessary.
  
  Next time, please contribute more to the discussion, even if it goes on a small tangent or not.
  
  These 8 pages of posts, it's about discussion. These forums, they're about discussions. So please, if you have nothing to contribute, step aside and let us discuss.

  
  
  I'm just saying. You guys have all ignored what the Original post said and instead started ranting about the river glitch.
  
  I don't give a crap if this post is unnecessary, your post telling me off was unnecessary, you could have PM'ed me about it.
• Ryoko wrote on 2011-01-06 00:19

  Quote from krpr;276879:

  exactly, there's places where crash users and thunder users can't hit no matter how good they are like the right turn to the waterfall

  
  
  My raft glitched up there and it showed me sliding sideways on the land and then returned to normal.. I was trying to aim for those with a Wing Bow ego...
  o3o
• krpr wrote on 2011-01-06 00:33

  Quote from Ryoko;277775:

  My raft glitched up there and it showed me sliding sideways on the land and then returned to normal.. I was trying to aim for those with a Wing Bow ego...
  o3o

  
  
  lol, but you already had 31 small stars right?
• Navy wrote on 2011-01-06 12:02
  eh I loved it how the warriors kept respawning |:
  orgasmic on stars
• Ryoko wrote on 2011-01-10 04:10

  Quote from Humility;278836:

  eh I loved it how the warriors kept respawning |:
  orgasmic on stars

  
  
  Those were fun. :D