ego and g14

• Karuta wrote on 2011-01-05 08:29

  Quote from Jovo;277092:

  
  I believe one handed egos are actually the safest from the S/R upgrades. :P Certainly no S/R blade matches bsword ego in max damage.

  
  
  Does overpower it on critical hits though =( from what I've been told
  
  I will agree it was probably the least affected, still hoping some type of ego buff comes out to separate normal weapon damage and spirit weapon damage a bit more. It seems like less of a hassle to use S/R upgrades when grinding if you want to think about efficiency.
  
  I repair my ego so much since I use it as my main weapon people are always mailing me bast repairs..and then all the money people put into feeding their egos for high level stats. So much work only to be overpowered by upgrades.
• Rebel wrote on 2011-01-05 08:37
  Maybe if they removed min damage from ego weapons[set the variance to 0], it'd give people more incentive to use them.
  I mean I know with enough dex the balance would be 80%, but it's still possible to hit on the low end of the damage range.
  Of course then balance would be rendered useless....
  Actually this was a half baked idea, I'll chew on it some more.
• Cryosite wrote on 2011-01-05 09:09

  Quote from Cadeau;277110:

  Maybe if they removed min damage from ego weapons[set the variance to 0], it'd give people more incentive to use them.
  I mean I know with enough dex the balance would be 80%, but it's still possible to hit on the low end of the damage range.
  Of course then balance would be rendered useless....
  Actually this was a half baked idea, I'll chew on it some more.

  
  
  Maybe your idea would be to allow ego weapons to go above 80% balance? Even with 100% balance that only assures that half your hits wll hit for max, the other half will evenly distribute between min and 1 below max. I think getting that extra 20% balance with melee/range weapons might be a good incentive though.
  
  I imagine if they do "fix" egos, it will just be to uncap them to 60 or 75 or something. :/
• Animefreak97 wrote on 2011-01-05 09:18
  Or boost the exp items give for egos would be a good 'fix', I think.
• Cryosite wrote on 2011-01-05 15:53
  By the way, this:

  [Image: http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae174/CryositeMabi/DemiLichCrocodileClaymore.jpg]

  Can be had right now in g12 for a mere 2-3m in Ruairi. Necromancer (max stats) would be 6 more max, and a substantially higher min. Already has 100 more proff too, ready for g13.
  
  So yeah. Feel kinda bad for people that spent like 10mil or more on feeding alone for a 2-hander ego. Mine will even glow a bit in g13, from overgrades.
• Hei wrote on 2011-01-05 16:43

  Quote from Animefreak97;277161:

  Or boost the exp items give for egos would be a good 'fix', I think.

  
  
  It would only screw the current high level ego owners, kind of like how the last exp buff did.
  
  

  Quote from Cryosite;277314:

  By the way, this:

  [Image: http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae174/CryositeMabi/DemiLichCrocodileClaymore.jpg]

  Can be had right now in g12 for a mere 2-3m in Ruairi. Necromancer (max stats) would be 6 more max, and a substantially higher min. Already has 100 more proff too, ready for g13.
  
  So yeah. Feel kinda bad for people that spent like 10mil or more on feeding alone for a 2-hander ego. Mine will even glow a bit in g13, from overgrades.

  
  
  Looks like there was a mistake upgrading it, since there are 3 criticals missing for the 100max/30crit path.
• Yanm wrote on 2011-01-05 19:10
  You're telling me that even BOW ego's are outclassed now? Oh gosh............well, it IS a good thing that I never got a ego Ring Bow, but.....man, even they're outclassed.....There's no way I'll get a 1handed sword ego though, I enjoy the extra stun and NOT mixed up crit of a Claymore, thank you very much. However...
  
  

  Quote from radionoise;276803:

  Actually, with the 305-b path (52 max, 44 crit if base grade) and using Glorious Sniping instead of Shadow Hunter Spike enchants... a +6 Highlander Long Bow would end up with 131 max and 52% critical.
  
  It would only fall 2 max damage short of the Leather Long Bow ego and 2% critical short of the Wing Bow ego at all 50... if you account for higher grade drops, this bow would essentially be better than both ego bows in terms of stats, while only sacrificing range and 100% cash shop repairs.
  
  It wouldn't be able to outdamage the Ring Bow ego, but considering the amount of enchant slots you would have to sacrifice in order to achieve a satisfactory critical rate with it... it would also give it a run for its money.

  
  
  Ehh? Are the upgrades on the wiki wrong? That looks like the 301 path, for highest max. I'm surprised you didn't do highest crit, which would have 47 max and 53% crit, (50 max and 56% crit if +3). Or maybe I did the prof calculations wrong....I don't know
• Dixon wrote on 2011-01-05 20:03

  Quote from Animefreak97;277161:

  Or boost the exp items give for egos would be a good 'fix', I think.

  
  
  Spirit Weapon Experience Gain Multiplied by 3-7
  Spirit Weapon Awakening Buffed
  New, more powerful Spirit Weapon Awakening at level 51
  
  (From here on is me rambling about the direction I feel Spirit Weapons need to go in)
  
  Maybe a skill involving calling upon the spirit for more than just a quick nuke? Floats over your back and supports you in combat for maybe a minute or so?
  Have them function as a passive and separate means of supporting you. (And have it fueled by a separate Spirit Bar)
  
  Upon activation, the ordinary Spirit Weapon Awakening is used, but rather than leaving as quickly as it appeared, it remains up above you to aid you in combat. From here on out, each 'action' it uses consumes a small portion of your second Awakening bar and they will leave when the bar is depleted. The bar refills completely every real life day and also by 1/20 every in-game day.
  
  Sword Spirit will use Down Attack after a monster is knocked down (not leaving you unable to do so immediately after the spirit, mind you), Blunt Spirit will use Charge if a monster is knocked back by a physical attack, Smash if a monster is knocked down, Bow Spirit uses Magnum Shot if a monster is knocked back by an arrow, Wand Spirit uses a Bolt Magic matching their vessel when a target flinches to one of the user's bolt magics, with Healing Wand using a random bolt magic and the Combat Wand using a random Fused Magic.
  
  Each spirit also has a retaliatory measure that kicks in when you are hit by a physical attack. (You'd still take the damage from the first hit, but would be protected from consecutive attacks) Sword Spirit uses Windmill immediately when you're hit by an enemy, Blunt Spirit uses Stomp (Fomor Quake, not Foot), Bow Spirit uses Magnum Shot (with r1 splash to blow away multiple enemies near the attacker), Wand Spirit retaliates using the first hit of Blaze, sending the target skidding backward, but not exploding (or if exploding, with damage equivalent to minimum-charged Blaze)
• Cryosite wrote on 2011-01-05 21:46
  Screwing over current high-level spirit owners how? Changes to the game that make something easier do not screw over players that already accomplished that thing. That said, high-level ego owners are already scewed over that their egos are more or less wasted cash anyway. If ego levels were raised in cap, I think they would be appreciative of a faster exp gain for those levels they have open now over them, rather than having to face the tens of millions of gold worth of feeding that would currently be needed to get from level 50 to 60/75/higher based on extending existing exp curve.
  
  That said, turning incarnate skill into something that isn't a worthless joke is a good plan. I'm not sure if the details you describe are necessarily the best way, but the basic concept of "make incarnate do cool and useful stuff" certainly has a lot of merit.
  
  The claymore is 234 path, not 194. I have no clue what the original owner was thinking with that upgrade decision (well, 234 with last upgrade replaced with emporium, so 262 path?). 3% more crit would certainly be better than the balance, but eh. It's close enough for my needs.
• Hei wrote on 2011-01-05 21:50

  Quote from Cryosite;277519:

  Screwing over current high-level spirit owners how? Changes to the game that make something easier do not screw over players that already accomplished that thing.

  
  
  I'm not going to explain it, it should be a pretty simple idea. Any "updates" that messes around with any exp system making things easier puts older players at a disadvantage.
• radionoise wrote on 2011-01-05 21:57

  Quote from Yanm;277438:

  Ehh? Are the upgrades on the wiki wrong? That looks like the 301 path, for highest max. I'm surprised you didn't do highest crit, which would have 47 max and 53% crit, (50 max and 56% crit if +3). Or maybe I did the prof calculations wrong....I don't know

  
  
  I'm using the upgrade paths available on JP wiki... there are three current upgrade paths:
  305-a: 44 max, 52% crit
  305-b: 50 max, 44% crit
  305-c: 47 max, 48% crit
  
  Gem upgrade effectively adds +2 max and 100 range... and bows with different end stats than these (all the ones in NA so far) have higher stats because they are dropped items of higher grade than base. I gave an example of the max damage path, simply because I wanted to see how much max the bow could reach after upgrades and the best +max enchants available.
• Cryosite wrote on 2011-01-05 21:58
  No it doesn't. It should be obvious that it either helps them, or doesn't affect them at all. Other people getting stuff is not the same as taking stuff away from you.
• Hei wrote on 2011-01-05 22:07

  Quote from Cryosite;277533:

  No it doesn't. It should be obvious that it either helps them, or doesn't affect them at all. Other people getting stuff is not the same as taking stuff away from you.

  
  
  If nexon will compensate high level ego owners prior to an ego exp buff for the extra money and time that they spent, then sure, in that case nobody is screwed over.
• Cryosite wrote on 2011-01-05 22:27
  They did not spend extra time and money. They paid the amount needed to have that ego -now- instead of having to wait til [change to ego is made] time. They paid the cost, and get to use the ego.
  
  If you buy a TV today, and a year from now that TV goes down in price to half the cost, you are not entitled to a refund for half the cost of your TV. It just doesn't work that way.
• Hei wrote on 2011-01-05 22:29

  Quote from Cryosite;277560:

  They did not spend extra time and money. They paid the amount needed to have that ego -now- instead of having to wait til [change to ego is made] time. They paid the cost, and get to use the ego.
  
  If you buy a TV today, and a year from now that TV goes down in price to half the cost, you are not entitled to a refund for half the cost of your TV. It just doesn't work that way.

  
  
  The price of a commodity has a lot of factors involved on both the consumer and producer's sides, so you comparing it with nexon/devcat's whim to change an exp system is lulzworthy.