Mods? In my Erinn Walker?

• Iyasenu wrote on 2011-01-15 00:18

  Quote from EndlessDreams;290606:

  If you run enough dungeons solo... you start to feel like it is a single player game with a fancy chatting system.

  
  
  Single player huh...
  /stares at G11
  
  Yup.
  Too much single player for an MMO. xD
• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-01-15 00:22

  Quote from EndlessDreams;290606:

  If you run enough dungeons solo... you start to feel like it is a single player game with a fancy chatting system.

  
  
  that's what I find funny.. people have a strong misconception of dungeon.
  Someone doing a dungeon solo is like hmm... how to explain it.. in a normal grinding rpg, it's like fighting in a lvl 20 area when you are lvl 100 and there exist areas for lvl 100 people...
  
  If you can solo a dungeon, it mean ya too powerful for it already, ya are ment to be doing higher dificulity dungeons.
  
  So until you can solo Peaca Inter within 4 hours. ya can't consider mabinogi to be a solo type of game...
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2011-01-15 00:35

  Quote from Chiyuri;290618:

  that's what I find funny.. people have a strong misconception of dungeon.
  Someone doing a dungeon solo is like hmm... how to explain it.. in a normal grinding rpg, it's like fighting in a lvl 20 area when you are lvl 100 and there exist areas for lvl 100 people...
  
  If you can solo a dungeon, it mean ya too powerful for it already, ya are ment to be doing higher dificulity dungeons.
  
  So until you can solo Peaca Inter within 4 hours. ya can't consider mabinogi to be a solo type of game...

  
  
  In a normal grinding rpg? Mabinogi isn't a normal grinding rpg? Mabinogi, like any other MMORPG, has nothing but grinding. Why Peaca Intermediate has to be considered? Why the 4 hours? You can always bump it up to like if you can't solo Peaca Inter in 30 minutes, it can't be consider solo type game. Doesn't make that statement or your previous statement any more correct.
  
  Also, to get to that kind of strength, you need to grind a lot in the lower dungeons so you can grind in the higher dungeons.
  
  The truth is that majority of the dungeons can be soloed, and most of the mainstream forces you to solo. The party system also rewards individual people better rewards for smaller party. Some dungeons are even solo only.
• Iyasenu wrote on 2011-01-15 00:37
  There'd be more incentive to not solo if party exp wasn't divided amongst members, and instead everyone got the exp the monster gives one person.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2011-01-15 00:41

  Quote from Iyasenu;290642:

  There'd be more incentive to not solo if party exp wasn't divided amongst members, and instead everyone got the exp the monster gives one person.

  
  
  Yea, if everyone get equal experience and equal drops as they would solo, Mabinogi would be more party oriented MMORPG.
  
  In a sense, Vindictus got this right except all the dungeons are soloable, and party requires a good host. That kind of discourages partying in another way.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-01-15 01:22

  Quote from EndlessDreams;290638:

  In a normal grinding rpg? Mabinogi isn't a normal grinding rpg? Mabinogi, like any other MMORPG, has nothing but grinding. Why Peaca Intermediate has to be considered? Why the 4 hours? You can always bump it up to like if you can't solo Peaca Inter in 30 minutes, it can't be consider solo type game. Doesn't make that statement or your previous statement any more correct.
  
  Also, to get to that kind of strength, you need to grind a lot in the lower dungeons so you can grind in the higher dungeons.
  
  The truth is that majority of the dungeons can be soloed, and most of the mainstream forces you to solo. The party system also rewards individual people better rewards for smaller party. Some dungeons are even solo only.

  
  
  Most mmorpg have very clear area set for a level range.. that,s something mabinogi doesn,t have. I'm just trying to simplify an example you can understand and compare it with soloing a dungeon in mabinogi.
  Also why Peaca Inter? simply because it's the hardess dungeon so far. Why 4 hours, cause I felt like it would bem ore chalenging by adding a time limit and 5 hours felt too long. Back when you started the game, were you able to solo dungeons like ciar inter, Alby basic, barri basic and whatnot? Most people would say they couldn,t in the begining.. That simply because it was out of their current capacity. Of course, by relying on party and such, these kind of dungeon are much more easy and possible. Overpowering a dungeon made for multiple people by yourself alone is just doing an activity under your current capacity. Doing a dungeon with other people and having a difficult time but still been able to clear it, is something much closer to your current capacities.
  
  People can grind in higher dungeon with parties.. heck I did it a lot back in my newb days. It was also much more fun than just soloing a weaker dungeon I've seen many times already.
  
  The majority of the dungeon. Well yea, cause you are already overpowered for them.. people who have lower ability that are within the dificulity range of those dungeon certenaly wouldn't solo those. But yea.. in mabinogi, by using the rebirth system (even more by using a lot of payed rebirths) it's fast to overpower most dungeon. Which is probably why shadow missions were build in such a way afterward(not to forget HM dungeons.).. To inforce more party play.
  
  G1 wasn't solo only (and since it's mostly for beginers, soloing isn't an option much..
  G3 wasn't solo either
  G7 and 8 get much easier if you bring people. but both didn,t require that much fighting anyway
  G9 required a lot of party play (or just help) to do it.
  G11 was quite difficult, mostly a test of power I could say. But you can easily consider G11 a duo kind of mainstream in which you can have an RA help you most of the time.
  
  Now for the trully mostly solo mainstream: G10(with a few exceptions like semi-final, longa dungeon and some RA mission) and G12 which was mostly only solo but build to be easier than trying to solo G11.
  
  So... let me count.. (lets ignore G7 and G8 since they didn't involve that much fighting(well I don't want to ignore the G8 final but oh well)).. So 4 mainstream which require a bunch of party play.... and 2 mainstream which require a bunch of solo play...
  
  Can you explain to me how "most of the mainstream force you to solo" when to proportion are 4:2 in favor of Party play?
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2011-01-15 02:43

  Quote from Chiyuri;290691:

  Most mmorpg have very clear area set for a level range.. that,s something mabinogi doesn,t have. I'm just trying to simplify an example you can understand and compare it with soloing a dungeon in mabinogi.
  Also why Peaca Inter? simply because it's the hardess dungeon so far. Why 4 hours, cause I felt like it would bem ore chalenging by adding a time limit and 5 hours felt too long. Back when you started the game, were you able to solo dungeons like ciar inter, Alby basic, barri basic and whatnot? Most people would say they couldn,t in the begining.. That simply because it was out of their current capacity. Of course, by relying on party and such, these kind of dungeon are much more easy and possible. Overpowering a dungeon made for multiple people by yourself alone is just doing an activity under your current capacity. Doing a dungeon with other people and having a difficult time but still been able to clear it, is something much closer to your current capacities.

  
  
  Regardless of the level ranges or lack of it, it doesn't reduce the effects of grinding. Even on MMORPGs that have capped levels, there is tons of grinding for items/money/etc. You will need to grind in low levels so you can grind in higher level stuff.
  
  When I started the game, I was able to solo those dungeons through bolt-counter when I learned about that tactic... but that isn't the point...
  
  Your point in Peaca Inter is a flawed one. First, it isn't exactly a popular dungeon. If you want to grind for experience, it isn't exactly a good place to get experience at all. The rewards are highly questionable. Also, just because I can't solo it doesn't mean it is definitely 100% unsoloable right now or in the future. Then, you can also say, but he/she is too high level for the dungeon. That is like saying Peaca Normal/Basic (or whatever dungeon) is unsoloable because I never seen anyone do it.
  
  

  Quote from Chiyuri;290691:

  
  People can grind in higher dungeon with parties.. heck I did it a lot back in my newb days. It was also much more fun than just soloing a weaker dungeon I've seen many times already.
  
  The majority of the dungeon. Well yea, cause you are already overpowered for them.. people who have lower ability that are within the dificulity range of those dungeon certenaly wouldn't solo those. But yea.. in mabinogi, by using the rebirth system (even more by using a lot of payed rebirths) it's fast to overpower most dungeon. Which is probably why shadow missions were build in such a way afterward(not to forget HM dungeons.).. To inforce more party play.

  
  
  Of course you can grind higher dungeon with parties, but the experience/item/gold reward will be less than a solo. Finding a party isn't exactly an easy thing to do nowadays sometimes.
  
  In Vindictus, all the parties are listed easily, and the boats are centralized. In Mabinogi, rarely do people put up public parties on board, especially outside of shadow missions. Well, the non-SM dungeons are relatively empty nowadays.
  
  Aside from Elves/Giants not involved with G1-G3 at all, most of the generations have you solo by just doing things yourself almost all the time. This is not just about dungeon only for these generation, it is talking to NPCs, delivering items, and etc. The solo option is there for majority of the dungeons, and it is plausible to do so in many of the generations.
  
  Only a few RPs and/or SM have enough monsters/rewards to highly encourage/force a party like usually the semi-finals or finals of some of the generations.
  
  Not to mention, the later features of new generations combined with the simplification of older generations allows for people to solo them much easier. Dual wield, better equipments, pets, and etc. helps low level people finish the earlier generation easier.
• Fabian wrote on 2011-01-15 05:55
  How did the conversation go from "Mods are good, so everyone should shut up and stop complaining about them" to "Mabinogi is or is not a grinding MMORPG"?
  
  Also, I request that people who mod at least have some common sense. Just because you don't see people getting banned for using them, it doesn't mean it's right to do it. For example, if you shoplift and don't get caught, you'll get the notion that you won't get caught, and you will probably try again. You could even brag to your friends, and they will find it "kool" and the likes, but it doesn't take away from the fact that you are doing something "bad". Plus the day you get caught, you'll probably wet your pants o3o. (Not directed to anyone in particular, only to those of you who say "modding" isn't bad).
• Phunkie wrote on 2011-01-15 06:19

  Quote from Fabian;291137:

  How did the conversation go from "Mods are good, so everyone should shut up and stop complaining about them" to "Mabinogi is or is not a grinding MMORPG"?
  
  Also, I request that people who mod at least have some common sense. Just because you don't see people getting banned for using them, it doesn't mean it's right to do it. For example, if you shoplift and don't get caught, you'll get the notion that you won't get caught, and you will probably try again. You could even brag to your friends, and they will find it "kool" and the likes, but it doesn't take away from the fact that you are doing something "bad". Plus the day you get caught, you'll probably wet your pants o3o. (Not directed to anyone in particular, only to those of you who say "modding" isn't bad).

  
  
  I don't think modding is bad. If Nexon really did believe it was so horrible, they would fix it and make many things server-sided. The fact that they don't makes me believe that they really don't care.
  
  They also do not care about having multiple accounts.
  
  No need to complain about modding anymore, as long as it isn't game-breaking. Trust me, they have had so many chances to "catch" people modding, but they don't do anything about it.
• Dixon wrote on 2011-01-15 06:42
  Dixon? In my Erinn Walker?
• Mystickskye wrote on 2011-01-15 10:46

  Quote from Phunkie;291170:

  I don't think modding is bad. If Nexon really did believe it was so horrible, they would fix it and make many things server-sided. The fact that they don't makes me believe that they really don't care.

  I'm somewhat doubtful that Nexon has the power to do that. They have sorted older mods out before and over time try to patch out some mods/hacks/whatnot. They could certainly do a lot more but they're certainly not just sitting around twiddling their thumbs regarding mods.
• Sunureu13 wrote on 2011-01-15 11:39
  Or they can, y'know, address the problems/issues that mods address :)
• Chromatic wrote on 2011-01-15 12:14
  Anyone ever had the brilliant idea of showing to nexon how their current font lags like hell?
  
  @mod haters. Don't like, don't use, don't comment. You guys are only making bad figure making comments about something you guys don't even know about
• Chiyuri wrote on 2011-01-15 15:11

  Quote from Chromatic;291339:

  Anyone ever had the brilliant idea of showing to nexon how their current font lags like hell?
  
  @mod haters. Don't like, don't use, don't comment. You guys are only making bad figure making comments about something you guys don't even know about

  
  
  Yea.. cause nexon has the power to modify the game that belong to the dev-cat in Korea.... Heck.. if you look in nexon website.. you'll see that they have 27 jobs positions to fill up..
  
  Also, to me you seem like the one who knows nothing about mods. Someone who knows about mod should have the brain to understand how some mods are gamebreaking.
  
  Let me list you some of the gamebreaking mods:
  
  Dungeon Map view: The ability to see the game map without needing to walk over all of it already or take the cost of using AoL to see it. This ability make dungeoning much faster by permitting you to avoid dead end (that exist especialy to mess people up and slow them down), avoid having to go backward for a forgotten room, and in some adv dungeon, the ability to know where every single dead end chest is. The time you save using such a mod can be use in other activity which can bring you ingame gold and Exp. That's a time someone with the exact same ability than you but that actually play fair doesn't have access to(meaning less gold and exp input than the modder).. giving the modder a CLEAR Advantage ingame. Ever ran with rushers who have such a mod? In the end they get most of the exp while you are trying to keep up getting sometimes lost in dead end.. and that mgiht had been YOUR dungeon pass too... Or having a money leecher who in adv dungeon jump on every dead end chest before you simply because he KNOWS where they are..
  
  Mimic Target Mod: I'm sure that someone with a brain already noticed that if you have full life and get hit for a damage that is higher than your total life.. you Always go into deadly? Heck some people made low hp builds especialy to use that ability. If you have a brain, you should be able to understand that Mimics are made to Break or try to remove that ability from players. Mimics, while they have really low amount of damage, have really high wounding rate.. even adding just 1 wound on you will prevent an "auto-deadly" if you get hit for too high. Mimics are made to force you to open them, giving them a good chance of hitting you and giving you wounds. You may choose to windmill them, but that will be taken from your life. You may choose to Blaze them, but that will take from your mana. You may stomp them but ya need to be a giant to begin with and it will not always kill them right away unless ya have high stomp. You may choose to use Taunt but you might still get hit and you still need to be a giant. By gaining the abiltiy to attack them careless of opening them or not and without using such skills as mentionned, You avoid one of the game mechanic of some dungeon which is ment to be experienced and possibly slow you down. inbetwen 2 players with the same ability.. who has the higher chance of survival from a one hit kill attack.. the modder with full life or the fair player with some wounds? The modder have higher survival.. an higher survival he isn't supposed to have or even earned ingame to begin with..
  
  Dungeon Boss Video removal: There isn't much explaination to be said here. You avoid a minimum amount of time other people have to wait. Such time may be use for other activities which may result in more gold and exp. (Now I hear you guys compalin how minimal that time is.. an unfair advantage is an unfair advantage anyway... ya can't change that fact.) Also, people may use that small time frame to get the the upper hand against a boss and secure the kill for him/herself while the fair playing teammate were left in the dust.
  
  True Durability View: Been able to tell how long a durability last for a weapon/armor is something you learn with experience ingame. There is a reason why true durability isn't shown. It make the game more difficult that way. It's much easier to deal with when to repair a weapon/armor and how long it may last when you can directly view it's true durabiltiy than when you have to guess using your own experience and knowledge. This mod give the advantage over fair player for you may save traveling time to repairers and keep your weaponnry in better maintenance.
  
  Those are the ones so far I have experienced (not by using it but by playing accidently with people using them) that seem to still be working up to date. I think such things as long range Revive, Long range healing and most Dll mods had been removed since I haven,t heard or seen them in a long time. Which is also why I didn,t explain them.
  
  I may add that someone once told me how some visual mods can affect the market but since I don't exactly know visual mods for I don't use them nor see them, I can't really tell if what that person told me is true... It was something about how you can possibly change the look of your clothing to not need to actually buy the real item which may be a rare.. In the long run this could affect the market.
• Sedia wrote on 2011-01-15 15:28

  Quote from Chiyuri;291390:

  Dungeon Boss Video removal: There isn't much explaination to be said here. You avoid a minimum amount of time other people have to wait. Such time may be use for other activities which may result in more gold and exp. (Now I hear you guys compalin how minimal that time is.. an unfair advantage is an unfair advantage anyway... ya can't change that fact.) Also, people may use that small time frame to get the the upper hand against a boss and secure the kill for him/herself while the fair playing teammate were left in the dust.
  
  

  
  
  I dont understand that.....Are you talking about removing the dungeon boss vid so that you get to the boss before others?