MABINATION SMALL QUESTIONS THREAD

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Xenmas wrote on 2015-09-07 15:50

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10%

There was another method that was even more profitable than saga 2-6 via glitched mobs in saga 1-4, and it became mainstream thanks to catchapon event so the economy only got more inflated than ever.

It was only patched like a month or so ago, so it will take even more time for things to deflate... and who knows, by then some other way will come out to light.

Ah true episode 6*, so long i dont play that.

And i totally forgot the catchapon, forever inflation. But ehat do you mean by "patched", they removed the gold drop, made mobs 'unstuckable' or something like that? I hope it isnt the second as I still need to rank my ninja :s
Rynn wrote on 2015-09-07 16:01

They don't get stuck anymore.
Roflorz wrote on 2015-09-07 16:02

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Ah true episode 6*, so long i dont play that.

And i totally forgot the catchapon, forever inflation. But ehat do you mean by "patched", they removed the gold drop, made mobs 'unstuckable' or something like that? I hope it isnt the second as I still need to rank my ninja :s

Unfortunately for you,it's the second.
Xenmas wrote on 2015-09-07 16:30

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They don't get stuck anymore.

Meh, bye bye to the easiest method for many skils, exp and gold. I guess either back to tara sms or go ham with moving mobs saga 1-4. Thanks for the info
Esileruf wrote on 2015-09-07 17:24

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Like why buy support shot accs tho? they literally just modify the actual SUPPORT SHOT damage and not the following melee dmg... pls tell me no one you know actually paid 10m for that.

People have been disincluded from doing support shot for not having accs because so many people have them, it was, and might still be an issue of contention, I left the team because 12~1am EST doesn't go well with waking up at 6am. And I mean 10m for both or 10m to find the damn reforge manually via reforging accs, as its considered a roll-over.

and I'm somewhat skeptical that it does nothing. This means the mari raid group has been under the delusion that it does something since february. Its somewhat a giggle.
ironwoman wrote on 2015-09-07 17:33

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People have been disincluded from doing support shot for not having accs because so many people have them, it was, and might still be an issue of contention, I left the team because 12~1am EST doesn't go well with waking up at 6am. And I mean 10m for both or 10m to find the damn reforge manually via reforging accs, as its considered a roll-over.

and I'm somewhat skeptical that it does nothing. This means the mari raid group has been under the delusion that it does something since february. Its somewhat a giggle.

It really doesn't do anything for melee damage, you can go through testing yourself and figure it out. Even wiki says it for delusional people like that.

The one that does affect melee damage is the Support Shot reforge that goes on bows supposedly, but I haven't seen the reforge on bows yet, or I just skipped over it and didn't remember.
Jake wrote on 2015-09-07 17:56

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It really doesn't do anything for melee damage, you can go through testing yourself and figure it out. Even wiki says it for delusional people like that.

The one that does affect melee damage is the Support Shot reforge that goes on bows supposedly, but I haven't seen the reforge on bows yet, or I just skipped over it and didn't remember.

I believe if you look over the wikis of other localisations of mabinogi that reforge isn't even listed anywhere other than NA[SIZE="1"]or im full of shit[/SIZE]
Rynn wrote on 2015-09-07 18:02

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People have been disincluded from doing support shot for not having accs because so many people have them, it was, and might still be an issue of contention, I left the team because 12~1am EST doesn't go well with waking up at 6am. And I mean 10m for both or 10m to find the damn reforge manually via reforging accs, as its considered a roll-over.

and I'm somewhat skeptical that it does nothing. This means the mari raid group has been under the delusion that it does something since february. Its somewhat a giggle.

You can test yourself with a 100k lv 1 acc to confirm, I have. It only increases damage of the arrow, but not the melee damage, so if they're really discouraging people from ss because of something that literally does nothing that's some scythe hype tier delusion going on.

A lot of other people did these tests as well with random lv 1~lv 3s they had laying around when VHM came out to see if it actually worked before they spent any money gearing with lv 3 accs... because you know, common sense.
Fyois wrote on 2015-09-08 05:52

So I'm having some trouble with two of my weapons and I can't see the difference

Dowra SE vs Golden Gun: From what I can tell, the SE is weaker but can be upgraded and enchanted, but the golden gun has higher base stats? Which is better?

Trinity Stff vs Hermit: now that I can make hermits, should I be replacing my trinity? The trinity has a high intelligence roll on the artisan upgrade. Is the hermit inherently better?
Roflorz wrote on 2015-09-08 06:01

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Trinity Stff vs Hermit: now that I can make hermits, should I be replacing my trinity? The trinity has a high intelligence roll on the artisan upgrade. Is the hermit inherently better?

Don't forget Hermits can come with base magic attack, have more magic attack upgrades, and have a higher potential int artisan roll.
Also hermits have blaze bonus, whereas trinity doesn't. And doesn't require charging before casting intermediate magic.
Yanm wrote on 2015-09-08 06:07

Quote from Fyois;1286033:
So I'm having some trouble with two of my weapons and I can't see the difference

Dowra SE vs Golden Gun: From what I can tell, the SE is weaker but can be upgraded and enchanted, but the golden gun has higher base stats? Which is better?

Trinity Stff vs Hermit: now that I can make hermits, should I be replacing my trinity? The trinity has a high intelligence roll on the artisan upgrade. Is the hermit inherently better?

Rolf basically explained the Trinity vs Hermit debate. Hermit is vastly superior to the Trinity. Onto the guns.

The Dowra SE and Golden Gun are a bit different. Long story short, if you have the stats to back it up and plan to use guns, Dowra SE is better entirely. The Golden Gun and Black Stars are better for beginners that just use guns for very particular situations and don't have the stats for them. R type is a big plus for the SE because Guns get a huuuuge boost from extra crit damage.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-09-08 06:25

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Trinity Stff vs Hermit:

The loss of charge bonus is from Trinity is meaningless, that bonus is pretty negligible and in no way tops CC Fire Wand, while its intermediate magic is vastly slower than the Hermit.
ironwoman wrote on 2015-09-08 06:30

Quote from Fyois;1286033:
So I'm having some trouble with two of my weapons and I can't see the difference

Dowra SE vs Golden Gun: From what I can tell, the SE is weaker but can be upgraded and enchanted, but the golden gun has higher base stats? Which is better?

Trinity Stff vs Hermit: now that I can make hermits, should I be replacing my trinity? The trinity has a high intelligence roll on the artisan upgrade. Is the hermit inherently better?

Dowra is much better since you can easily reach Golden Gun's max with enchants and still have R6 upgrade on top of it. There really is no reason to use Golden Guns besides finding a Dual Gun Max 20 on it for less than 2 mil.

For Staff, neither, just go get the Celtic Druid Staff.
Esileruf wrote on 2015-09-08 06:30

Quote from Fyois;1286033:

Dowra SE vs Golden Gun: From what I can tell, the SE is weaker but can be upgraded and enchanted, but the golden gun has higher base stats? Which is better?

Trinity Stff vs Hermit: now that I can make hermits, should I be replacing my trinity? The trinity has a high intelligence roll on the artisan upgrade. Is the hermit inherently better?

Dowras every time. Dowras under Way of the Gun abuse the +50~62% damage from red upgrades. And its only 48 max higher than a perfect dowra, which can be made up by Untamed/girg easily.

Trinities are extremely dated, lacking a lot of the natural matk newer staves are and lacking the nocharging aspect of post hermit staves.
Hermits are also dated, unless you find a 26dura/6matk/r1 lying around for sale, which I don't think there are many left. Druid staves are an option, and since yer on mari getting 5 mage gems costs around 2.5~3m. A sin staff which is only slightly worse can be made for a fraction of the price, as Apostle mats are at record lows, and I'd say it'd cost about 750k for making a single sin staff.

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Also hermits have blaze bonus, whereas trinity doesn't. And doesn't require charging before casting intermediate magic.

:what:
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-09-08 06:36

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For Staff, neither, just go get the Celtic Druid Staff.

Don't those cost millions?

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Dowra SE vs Golden Gun:

Also I think there was some debate somewhere that Taunes MK3 is better than Dowra?

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