MABINATION SMALL QUESTIONS THREAD

• Chihaya wrote on 2015-10-07 00:04
  So my next question is...
  Since it's going to be 450 Seals each rank, at what rank do you think I should start using seals?
  
  I know you can get like r9/r8 by ranking Ecology and Minerology gather materials, and at this moment, I have rC Engineering and r6 Magic Craft.
  
  I'm guessing for Magic Craft, I use Seals now and Engineering I try to hit r6 before I also seal that as well?
• Syliara wrote on 2015-10-07 00:27

  Quote from Chihaya;1288133:

  So my next question is...
  Since it's going to be 450 Seals each rank, at what rank do you think I should start using seals?
  
  I know you can get like r9/r8 by ranking Ecology and Minerology gather materials, and at this moment, I have rC Engineering and r6 Magic Craft.
  
  I'm guessing for Magic Craft, I use Seals now and Engineering I try to hit r6 before I also seal that as well?

  
  
  Just comes to the question of "How masochistic are you?" It's your choice how far you want to go but I'd say go no further than r5 unless your ok with ripping your hair out for hours on end.
• Daakun wrote on 2015-10-07 00:32
  You'll run out of hair before you get a rank though, I do not recommend hair ripping for stress management.
• TheDarkPaladin wrote on 2015-10-07 01:13

  Quote from Daakun;1288135:

  You'll run out of hair before you get a rank though, I do not recommend hair ripping for stress management.

  
  
  how about banging your head off a desk/wall, works for me...then again, my head is harder than most.....but honestly....they should cut the reqs down or freaking add a talent for them....
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-10-07 02:21

  Quote from Daakun;1288135:

  You'll run out of hair before you get a rank though, I do not recommend hair ripping for stress management.

  
  MC/Engy aren't hair ripping hard.
  They're soul crushing tedious. When yes, you aren't getting rng'd, its just made to take you a set amount of forever.
  
  That way you can not beat yourself up like Synthesis does to you. Consistently not giving a fuck and giving you NO counts for what you're trying.
• Intimacy wrote on 2015-10-07 07:16
  Is there something completely broken with pierrot puppets? I never see anyone using them for crisis rising combos, it's always the collosus, and i only ever seem to fuck the combo up when i use it, with collosus i can get 99/100 done right, pierrot is sub 50/50
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-10-07 07:37

  Quote from Intimacy;1288155:

  Is there something completely broken with pierrot puppets? I never see anyone using them for crisis rising combos, it's always the collosus, and i only ever seem to fuck the combo up when i use it, with collosus i can get 99/100 done right, pierrot is sub 50/50

  
  
  Pierrots are just slower with their Act 2, which is why I prioritize my Colossus over it. I don't notice anything different when using Act 6 -> 4 on both.
• Chihaya wrote on 2015-10-07 14:42

  Quote from Esileruf;1288141:

  That way you can not beat yourself up like Synthesis does to you. Consistently not giving a fuck and giving you NO counts for what you're trying.

  
  
  Except that Synthesis DOES have the easier equivalent called a "Synthesis Training Potion" when the RNG gets on your nerves that you can purchase for 2-3m on Tarlach. For MC/Engineering, you need 450 Seals for ONE RANK which is worth roughly 8-10m (again on Tarlach) considering 350 nets you an RK armor that sells for that much.
  
  

  Quote from Intimacy;1288155:

  Is there something completely broken with pierrot puppets? I never see anyone using them for crisis rising combos, it's always the collosus, and i only ever seem to fuck the combo up when i use it, with collosus i can get 99/100 done right, pierrot is sub 50/50

  
  
  I actually see more Pierrot being used, so... maybe it's just more players around you prefer the Colossus.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-10-07 14:44
  Colossus is easier for blazers to see which helps them know where to stand. That's about it.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-10-07 18:51

  Quote from Chihaya;1288173:

  Except that Synthesis DOES have the easier equivalent called a "Synthesis Training Potion" when the RNG gets on your nerves that you can purchase for 2-3m on Tarlach. For MC/Engineering, you need 450 Seals for ONE RANK which is worth roughly 8-10m (again on Tarlach) considering 350 nets you an RK armor that sells for that much.
  

  
  
  Or 210~280 seals per rank (Roughly anywhere from 3.6m(RKs go for 6~7m here, taking the lower amounts) to ~4.4m(selling enchant de-expires for 250k/ea)). Add 25% to get to the 280, resulting in 4.5m to 5.5m approx. Mari server.
  
  Then you can use a few hours instead of a few days to get crystals from the heart(via glitching there or using aggro lock), gather several bags of shyllien, and make bullets>processing and finish off 45/60 points of the rank and save yourself half the nightmare of sealing it all.
  
  Sealing via adventure seals is also horrendously wasteful if you do it entirely or at all in some cases. Engineering less so, because you HAVE to farm around 2000 total cores to rank it iirc. There's no french hell sick enough to justify doing that. 10m in seals is nearly a fourth of either of the two skills' mastery on 4x. Including the shyllien crystals/Hillwen fragments. I ranked on 2x the entirety of magic craft without once thinking about seals, and engineering I used them because they were event, I had nothing else, and because I wasn't resilient or strong enough to farm a couple thousand cores or buy them.
  
  Mastering Synthesis, not to mention, while small in counts seems no less horrendous than mastering engy/MC
• Chihaya wrote on 2015-10-07 19:13

  Quote from Esileruf;1288184:

  Or 210~280 seals per rank (Roughly anywhere from 3.6m(RKs go for 6~7m here, taking the lower amounts) to ~4.4m(selling enchant de-expires for 250k/ea)). Add 25% to get to the 280, resulting in 4.5m to 5.5m approx. Mari server.
  
  Then you can use a few hours instead of a few days to get crystals from the heart(via glitching there or using aggro lock), gather several bags of shyllien, and make bullets>processing and finish off 45/60 points of the rank and save yourself half the nightmare of sealing it all.
  
  Sealing via adventure seals is also horrendously wasteful if you do it entirely or at all in some cases. Engineering less so, because you HAVE to farm around 2000 total cores to rank it iirc. There's no french hell sick enough to justify doing that. 10m in seals is nearly a fourth of either of the two skills' mastery on 4x. Including the shyllien crystals/Hillwen fragments. I ranked on 2x the entirety of magic craft without once thinking about seals, and engineering I used them because they were event, I had nothing else, and because I wasn't resilient or strong enough to farm a couple thousand cores or buy them.
  
  Mastering Synthesis, not to mention, while small in counts seems no less horrendous than mastering engy/MC

  
  
  It's just that in the higher ranks, that doesn't really become a viable option.
  e.g. r2 Engineering has 6000 part crafting (assuming 1 hillwen use each) for 30 points, which is equivalent to 140 seals. 6000 (3000 with x2 Potion) compared to about 10 days of casual playing. I think I'd rather choose the latter, especially since there's a relatively high chance that Nexon will release the 35 point Skill Training Seals in the Cash Shop as well.
  
  While I can understand that some people have access to glitching behind the Hillwen, I do not and don't plan on doing it since players already abusing it have reports sent to Nexon and only they know what's going to happen to them. I've been banned for 7 days simply for using client-sided mods that I have no idea in hell how Nexon found out about. I'd rather not take the chance.
  
  Worse come to worst and I get sick of the two skills, I'll just ask a friend to craft stuff for me like all the other scrubs playing this game.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-10-07 22:33
  [Image: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/39573263/images/1430021084772.jpg]

  
  It could be I've been desensitized to how far the grind really is now, eh.
• callback wrote on 2015-10-08 15:11

  Quote from Esileruf;1288184:

  Or 210~280 seals per rank (Roughly anywhere from 3.6m(RKs go for 6~7m here, taking the lower amounts) to ~4.4m(selling enchant de-expires for 250k/ea)). Add 25% to get to the 280, resulting in 4.5m to 5.5m approx. Mari server.
  
  Then you can use a few hours instead of a few days to get crystals from the heart(via glitching there or using aggro lock), gather several bags of shyllien, and make bullets>processing and finish off 45/60 points of the rank and save yourself half the nightmare of sealing it all.
  
  Sealing via adventure seals is also horrendously wasteful if you do it entirely or at all in some cases. Engineering less so, because you HAVE to farm around 2000 total cores to rank it iirc. There's no french hell sick enough to justify doing that. 10m in seals is nearly a fourth of either of the two skills' mastery on 4x. Including the shyllien crystals/Hillwen fragments. I ranked on 2x the entirety of magic craft without once thinking about seals, and engineering I used them because they were event, I had nothing else, and because I wasn't resilient or strong enough to farm a couple thousand cores or buy them.
  
  Mastering Synthesis, not to mention, while small in counts seems no less horrendous than mastering engy/MC

  
  
  I don't get the aggro flood in there. It always wears off in about 1-2 minutes.
• Kenero wrote on 2015-10-09 18:38
  How viable is human melee combat vs. giant and elf melee combat? On a scale from 1 to 5, is it worth it?
• callback wrote on 2015-10-09 18:49

  Quote from Kenero;1288297:

  How viable is human melee combat vs. giant and elf melee combat? On a scale from 1 to 5, is it worth it?

  
  
  Human: FH and CRK bash 6 out of 5 stars 120% worth.
  
  Giant: fanatic (soon replaced with divine 2h) bash with vales shield. 4/5 solid.
  Can do better with good lance and reforges (golden smash combo card also widely available now). Lance is 5/5 giant with insane charges and smashing with those cards (and the divine lance once its out). Plus lance giants always win at blading Girg.
  
  Elf: Kinda left out, will have a viable option once divine bastard sword and shield come out. 3/5 for now, 4/5 bashing once its out.