[Guide] Human Melee - Skill Builds, Equipments, and Enchants.

• Zatrox wrote on 2010-08-10 21:55

  Quote from iheavy;117609:

  Wrong, the damage is the same.
  Dual incubus is 24, while the OHKO bear/golem gives 30 str (+12) and dual Wolf hunters max (6 each) are 12, which is 24.
  This choice would be preference, OR you could go a different route (if you have high alchemy skills)
  OHKO Bear/Golem + Shadow Hunter (insert suffix)
  
  This is a risky move though, since Shadow Hunter gives 10 max dmg (r1 Water Cannon), but Shadow Hunter also makes your item go poof when enchanting. The only way (if you wanna dump real money into this) is to use enchant protection potions, for a nice (assuming Shadow Hunter Spike) +52 max dmg
  
  
  [SIZE="1"]Edit: I know too much as a giant...[/SIZE]

  
  
  No, I dont think you do.
  You do realize Weapon enchants apply to only each weapon right? So dual incubus is effectively +12, not 24.
  
  Max gains not on weapons apply to both in a dual wield setup so therefore Bear Slayer is +24.
• iheavy wrote on 2010-08-12 00:38

  Quote from Zatrox;120277:

  No, I dont think you do.
  You do realize Weapon enchants apply to only each weapon right? So dual incubus is effectively +12, not 24.
  
  Max gains not on weapons apply to both in a dual wield setup so therefore Bear Slayer is +24.

  
  
  So yes, you get +12 per weapon with OHKO bear/golem, with another 6 on each weapon for each weapon. That adds to 18 a weapon, while incubus is 12 a weapon, which is 6 points. So pretty much you're just eliminating a little more defense, and not much adding max damage (in my opinion). So yes, the truth is if you can get +6 on each Wolf Hunter, Wolf Hunter with OHKO bear/golem is better than dual incubus.
• Chihaya wrote on 2010-08-12 17:22

  Quote from iheavy;122008:

  So yes, you get +12 per weapon with OHKO bear/golem, with another 6 on each weapon for each weapon. That adds to 18 a weapon, while incubus is 12 a weapon, which is 6 points. So pretty much you're just eliminating a little more defense, and not much adding max damage (in my opinion). So yes, the truth is if you can get +6 on each Wolf Hunter, Wolf Hunter with OHKO bear/golem is better than dual incubus.

  
  
  Wolf Hunter is rather expensive, don't you think...?
  Incubus is epically easy to get if you're a female character =/
  Plus with the Golem title, you chip off dex that could be crucial for the extra balance in 222 broads
• iheavy wrote on 2010-08-13 02:18

  Quote from Joyjason;122522:

  Wolf Hunter is rather expensive, don't you think...?
  Incubus is epically easy to get if you're a female character =/
  Plus with the Golem title, you chip off dex that could be crucial for the extra balance in 222 broads

  
  
  Wolf Hunter is expensive if you can't get it yourself (Spam some bears, or Rundal Normal Hardmode), But by the time you are getting the Wolf Hunter enchants for your weapons, you shouldn't have a bit of problem with rundal normal hm unless you have no pets or bad pet control
• Jahrakal wrote on 2010-08-19 20:09
  Thanks for all your ideas.
  
  Goddess is the best prefix for one handed melee weapon in terms of damage, hands down. Players who are serious about their damage should go with Goddess as it also gives +1% Critical.
  
  12k per repair is not a lot when you make 500k~1m a day. At higher levels gold flow in easier than people think. For example, if you grinded Ciar Adv for 2 hours back to back with dual-wielding a Goddess Spike and a Lizard Spike 222 Broadswords, each sword would lose about 6~7 Dura depending on your play style.
  
  Wolf Hunter's is easier to get compared to Incubus if you do Rundal.
  
  Title restriction is something I never liked. With Incubus, you're stuck with that certain title in any situations. With Wolf Hunter's/Goddess, I can change my titles from damage oriented (Maiz) to critical oriented(Rano&Connous), or hybrid oriented(Wyvern Hunter) whenever I please.
  
  

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  Here's an example of dual-wielding 2 Goddess Spike 222 Broadswords. Not the highest damage possible, but high enough to melt Hard level Shadow Missions monsters. I normally dual-wield with a Goddess Spike and Lizard Spike and with age 11 bonus I get around 280~ max with 100% critical.
  
  Master of Defense+Incubus combo won't get you anywhere near that damage/critical ratio.
• iheavy wrote on 2010-08-21 18:32
  Thanks for the knowledge man.
  If I made a char on Alexina, would you give me some tips once I get past r1 mill/crit? Like tips on saving money at earlier levels.
• Jahrakal wrote on 2010-08-23 22:48
  Due to the volume of messages I get, I don't accept adds, but feel free to note me a question.
  
  If you want to save money, use 95% repair smiths at early levels. The enchanted gears you can put on at low level won't be worth repairing with 98% repair smith. Pick up gold in dungeons even if it slows you down a little bit. Pick up random items and see if you can cash them at nearby NPCs.
  
  Training Windmill at TNN Zombies provide a lot of gold (not too many know this unless they have done it before). Run missions with a party as it indirectly reduces the amount of durability loss by sharing hits while the rewarding gold amount is unaffected.
• iheavy wrote on 2010-08-25 01:28

  Quote from Jahrakal;135158:

  Due to the volume of messages I get, I don't accept adds, but feel free to note me a question.
  
  If you want to save money, use 95% repair smiths at early levels. The enchanted gears you can put on at low level won't be worth repairing with 98% repair smith. Pick up gold in dungeons even if it slows you down a little bit. Pick up random items and see if you can cash them at nearby NPCs.
  
  Training Windmill at TNN Zombies provide a lot of gold (not too many know this unless they have done it before). Run missions with a party as it indirectly reduces the amount of durability loss by sharing hits while the rewarding gold amount is unaffected.

  
  
  Alright, thanks, and I went from r4-r2 wm on a giant at Zombies, then for the fun of it got some awful kills there. I remember I would go in with no gold and then come out with a fullbag and more stam pots (due to buying them) then make around 30k after repairs.
• zekikez wrote on 2010-09-06 16:24
  "From here on then you rank Final Hit to 1 as you rank up other necessary skills (Animal Taming, Charge, Basic Bolts, Weaving, and so on)."
  
  
  Hi,
  
  I'm new to this game and was wondering why Animal Taming was counted as a necessary skill.
  
  EDIT: also what about an ego weapon? I read on some post I forget which that you recommended Gladius for the ego weapon. My friend however recommended bastard sword because it does more damage with windmill. So why did you pick gladius over bastard sword?
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-09-06 23:13

  Quote from zekikez;147626:

  "From here on then you rank Final Hit to 1 as you rank up other necessary skills (Animal Taming, Charge, Basic Bolts, Weaving, and so on)."
  
  
  Hi,
  
  I'm new to this game and was wondering why Animal Taming was counted as a necessary skill.
  
  EDIT: also what about an ego weapon? I read on some post I forget which that you recommended Gladius for the ego weapon. My friend however recommended bastard sword because it does more damage with windmill. So why did you pick gladius over bastard sword?

  
  
  I'll comment on both this users post and the overall guide. Keep in mind that the best weapons are not only rare, but blacksmithed versions are nearly impossible to obtain.
  
  1. Weapon Selection
  1a. Upgraded weapons
  1a1. 222 Broadsword - Damage (0-73) Average Damage (58) Critical (30%) Speed (Slow)
  1a2. 251 Battlesword - Damage (21-74) Average Damage (63) Critical (29%) Speed (Slow)
  1a3. 243 War Sword - Damage (0-90) Average Damage (72) Critical (15%) Speed (Normal)
  1a4. 295 Beholder Sword - Damage (0-85) Average Damage (68) Critical (0%) Speed (Fast)
  1b. Spirit weapons @ all/40
  1b1. Dustin Silver Knight Sword - Damage (100-213) Average Damage (190) Critical (34) Speed (Very Slow)
  1b2. Two-handed Sword - Damage (100-212) Average Damage (190) Critical (17) Speed (Very Slow)
  1b3. Gladius - Damage (87-145) Average Damage (133) Critical (44) Speed (Slow)
  1b3. Bastard Sword - Damage (54-156) Average Damage (135) Critical (19) Speed (Slow)
  2. Ignore Animal Taming. That skill is only needed for the completion of G8. While it's more difficult to rank with higher CP, you have no real reason to rank it.
  3. The spirit Gladius is much better than the spirit Bastard sword. The Bastard adds around two average damage at the cost of 25 critical.
  4. Transformation Comparison
  4a. Paladin - Damage (109-134) Average Damage (129) Critical (5%)
  4b. Dark Knight - Much more complicated. I'll break down your melee offense.
  
  Out of six possible stat rolls, only four are ever activated.
  
  STR>INT>DEX
  INT>DEX>STR
  DEX>STR>INT
  DEX>INT>STR
  
  Damage:
  
  Activation rate: 25% Strength Bonus (360) Damage (108-144) Average Damage (136) Average Contribution (34)
  Activation rate: 25% Strength Bonus (200) Damage (60-80) Average Damage (76) Average Contribution (19)
  Activation rate: 50% Strength Bonus (120) Damage (36-48) Average Damage (45) Average Contribution (22)
  Average Damage: 75
  
  Activation rate: 25% Critical (36%) Average Contribution (9%)
  Activation rate: 50% Critical (20%) Average Contribution (10%)
  Activation rate: 25% Critical (12%) Average Contribution (3%)
  Average Critical: 22%
• zekikez wrote on 2010-09-07 16:12
  oh I see. Sweet, thank you for the information.
• Sebbies wrote on 2010-09-13 01:35
  Thanks for this guide! Currently 1st rebirth with crit R7 and WM R5, and everything's perfect. :thumb:
  Though I went ahead and got up to 56/17 for first rebirth, and in turn might be able to hit R4 WM before second rebirth. :evil:
• Yuneiko wrote on 2010-09-16 19:21

  Quote from Kaeporo;147840:

  
  2. Ignore Animal Taming. That skill is only needed for the completion of G8. While it's more difficult to rank with higher CP, you have no real reason to rank it.

  
  
  Actually, Animal Taming is used to activate the cloth enchant "White Horse" which is one of the best damage enchants. Cloth is THE end game damage set, according to the mabidata guide.
  
  MabiData.net • View topic - [Guide] Damage ES (Pre-G13)
• krpr wrote on 2010-09-17 17:35
  also if you get your taming to rB, you can tame a succubus with a tikka cane and regular taming bait. title is nice while ranking life skills
• Kaon wrote on 2010-09-18 08:15

  Quote from Yuneiko;158073:

  Actually, Animal Taming is used to activate the cloth enchant "White Horse" which is one of the best damage enchants. Cloth is THE end game damage set, according to the mabidata guide.
  
  MabiData.net • View topic - [Guide] Damage ES (Pre-G13)

  
  
  
  What is with people and union..? When talking about damage everyone seems to disregard the -5% crit on it.. lol.