[Guide] Human Melee - Skill Builds, Equipments, and Enchants.

• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-09-18 13:34

  Quote from Kaon;159330:

  What is with people and union..? When talking about damage everyone seems to disregard the -5% crit on it.. lol.

  
  
  The only people who stress over critical are the Archers of Mabinogi. To everyone else, damage takes priority. If my primary combat skills ignored protection, I wouldn't care either.
• gambleflash wrote on 2010-09-18 21:41
  Can't believe I didn't notice this before but...you don't get 55 AP per 40/15 rebirth. You get 59.
  
  1-40 = 39 AP because you don't get AP for the first level.
  1-15 = 14 AP because you don't get AP for the first level.
  Age 17-20 = 6 AP.
  
  39 + 14 + 6 = 59 AP.
  
  If a person follows the guide exactly, they would have 48 extra AP at the end.
• Kaon wrote on 2010-09-19 10:28

  Quote from Kaeporo;159361:

  The only people who stress over critical are the Archers of Mabinogi. To everyone else, damage takes priority. If my primary combat skills ignored protection, I wouldn't care either.

  
  
  I still think a balance is best... crit smashes can be pretty damn useful >.> Even if you don't want to stress crit, imo sacrificing it to that extent isn't worth it. 5% crit > 2 max.
  
  But I suppose it depends on your playstyle.
  
  Either way, what gets me most is when they pair it with other enchants to gain crit >.>.... I mean, be consistent at least. Or complain about crit loss on other things. Like, the linked guide is all over Union, but not once mentions the - crit while complaining about the tiny crit loss on Corundum.
• Phanterz wrote on 2010-09-19 14:11

  Quote from Kaon;160081:

  I still think a balance is best... crit smashes can be pretty damn useful >.> Even if you don't want to stress crit, imo sacrificing it to that extent isn't worth it. 5% crit > 2 max.
  
  But I suppose it depends on your playstyle.
  
  Either way, what gets me most is when they pair it with other enchants to gain crit >.>.... I mean, be consistent at least. Or complain about crit loss on other things. Like, the linked guide is all over Union, but not once mentions the - crit while complaining about the tiny crit loss on Corundum.

  
  
  Look at it this way. A 30% critical Smash compared to a 0% Critical smash (after protection calculated) does 45% higher damage on average. Normally, melee players just need to get to 30% + (Will/10) [for 30% crit in potion poison], but if you want crit smash on hard mode/adv monsters you need to sacrifice a lot of damage just to get a decent rate. At which point it impacts your entire melee damage while just boosting smash a bit.
• Kaon wrote on 2010-09-20 00:43

  Quote from Phanterz;160127:

  Look at it this way. A 30% critical Smash compared to a 0% Critical smash (after protection calculated) does 45% higher damage on average. Normally, melee players just need to get to 30% + (Will/10) [for 30% crit in potion poison], but if you want crit smash on hard mode/adv monsters you need to sacrifice a lot of damage just to get a decent rate. At which point it impacts your entire melee damage while just boosting smash a bit.

  
  
  Like I said, balance... you don't just sacrifice damage for crit, you find things that actually give you more overall gain. Or at least don't sacrifice crit. So use Diamond/Cold/Wooden Needle instead of Union. (depending on the slot) Even if that's far off from the ideal crit for a smash on hardmode monsters, it still gives you an advantage against more things.
  
  Mostly tho, I just don't like Union and the inconsistency usually recommended sets including it. But say for a windmiller, I could definitely see the appeal on having it just on a helm. (Not that I could use it anyway... o3o;;)
• Screenhog wrote on 2010-10-09 21:40
  Wonderful guide. Too bad I didn't use this when I started.
• Warpinky wrote on 2011-01-08 21:44
  Bumping this thread. I have a question for Jahrakal, I have a char total level 201 started out going alch/melee but now thinking i should have went melee first Alchemy skills ~ Water Canon r5, Alchemy Mastery rB, Wing Blast rD, Frozen Blast rE, Flame Burst rA, Chain Cylinder rC
  Melee Skills~ Combat Mastery r8, Defense rC, Smash rE, Critical Hit rE, Windmill r8, everything else rF
  Magic Skills~ Healing rF, Lightning Bolt rE, Magic Mastery rNovice
  Life Skills~ Production Mastery rF, Musical Knowledge rD, Composing rC, Playing Instrument rC, everything else rF
  
  I don't know my CP wiki doesn't want to work for me atm
  Can i still make this character out to be a good melee character/some more alchemy in the future
  
  Thanks in advance
• Jahrakal wrote on 2011-01-09 22:56

  Quote from Warpinky;282424:

  Bumping this thread. I have a question for Jahrakal, I have a char total level 201 started out going alch/melee but now thinking i should have went melee first Alchemy skills ~ Water Canon r5, Alchemy Mastery rB, Wing Blast rD, Frozen Blast rE, Flame Burst rA, Chain Cylinder rC
  Melee Skills~ Combat Mastery r8, Defense rC, Smash rE, Critical Hit rE, Windmill r8, everything else rF
  Magic Skills~ Healing rF, Lightning Bolt rE, Magic Mastery rNovice
  Life Skills~ Production Mastery rF, Musical Knowledge rD, Composing rC, Playing Instrument rC, everything else rF
  
  I don't know my CP wiki doesn't want to work for me atm
  Can i still make this character out to be a good melee character/some more alchemy in the future
  
  Thanks in advance

  
  
  Yes, it's never too late to shape your character into any type of class (for example, even with 99% Mythril Success Rate, with enough willpower you can achieve rank 1 Refine).
  
  From what I see, your CP is not too badly affected by other skills yet. Water Cannon is indeed very helpful at early levels, and I'd keep it at where it is before advancing further for now. Right now, if I were in your position, I'd either focus on getting rank 1 Water Cannon or rank 1 Windmill first, as you need to have at least one area you can properly deal damage in.
  
  Going Water Cannon Rank 1 right now with the upcoming G13 update is a pretty good choice at early levels.
  Going Windmill Rank 1 can wait just a little (with G13 "destiny" bonus it's 2x faster), but I would prioritize ranking Windmill as soon as possible.
  
  There are lots of new places where you can rank Windmill now - cooking dungeon, one of G13's mainstream quest where monsters keep on spawning, just to name a few. If you plan to melee, you will want to rank it sooner or later, and we all know that the sooner the better.
  
  In the end you'll be capping skills in all areas, so yes, your character can be a strong melee character with strong alchemy in the future. It will simply take some time and effort to get to that point.
• Looka wrote on 2011-01-10 05:15
  This is genius, I used it on my human a few weeks ago and he's total 200, and stronger than my main lvl 300 elf lol.
  Also I ranked defense to 9 because I tend to get hit due to lag, and I'm waiting until g13 until I get wm r1 (r5 atm) and well yeah. My friend told me my cp is 600-700 so I think I'll be fine training it. I haven't touched refining though ._.
• Caitlin wrote on 2011-01-23 22:23
  Q-Q i tried to follow the guide but instead of ranking wm to 1 first i went for critical or smash.
  and now i rbed 10 times and im lvl 300.
  I only barely manage to lvl 30 a rb before my attention goes to something else. And other times i was just to poor or weak to even train or know where to train.
  But im trying to get to 50 now and 15 explorer lvl from fossils and then get rank 1 critical and wm
• truefire wrote on 2011-01-25 11:26
  I don't know if you mentioned this in your guide, but it would be a good idea to enchant your gear with ice element if you are spending any considerable amounts of time in Rabbie or Rundal. Nothing is ice-resistant. At worst, it's neutral, and at best, it's either lightning or fire element. There aren't many enemies a meleer trains on that would break this rule for other dungeons from what I've seen, especially not zombies. This should help immensely with windmill early on. Also, I'd say Rundal = Rabbie Basic > Rabbie Normal. But that's just from my experiences when I started out with windmill.
  
  

  Quote from Caitlin;302049:

  Q-Q i tried to follow the guide but instead of ranking wm to 1 first i went for critical or smash.
  and now i rbed 10 times and im lvl 300.
  I only barely manage to lvl 30 a rb before my attention goes to something else. And other times i was just to poor or weak to even train or know where to train.
  But im trying to get to 50 now and 15 explorer lvl from fossils and then get rank 1 critical and wm

  
  
  Don't get to exploration lvl 15 with fossils. Go to Cor Village in Courcle and excavate. It's just better. In every way.
  
  Also, the reason WM is the most important skill to go for first is its high CP hindrance. With high CP it's difficult to near impossible to train. The next reason is that while Smash is indisputably the most powerful single-target ability in your arsenal, nothing can clear a room quite like Windmill can. Not even Smash with splash.
  
  If you're having trouble finding a safe place to level, shadow missions in Tara might be able to help you. Since your WM isn't at R1 yet, I'd suggest Their Method Intermediate. If your weapons are up to snuff and your WM reaches R1, go ahead and give Adv. a try.
• Cryosite wrote on 2011-01-28 13:56

  Quote from truefire;303959:

  Also, the reason WM is the most important skill to go for first is its high CP hindrance. With high CP it's difficult to near impossible to train.

  
  
  This isn't even remotely true anymore.
• Wasbewwi wrote on 2011-01-28 15:49
  Firece enchant.
  
  +10 HP
  
  15 Str.
  
  If you have WM over rb, 10 hp etc. etc. etc.
  
  Bye
• akaneo wrote on 2011-01-28 22:00
  Now with g13 out, is it viable to get r1 sword mastery before r1 fh or does fh improve damage more?
• Lordres wrote on 2011-01-28 23:11
  r1 sword mastery