Critical Hit on Scythe Evies [Boat 6 Update]

• xJac wrote on 2011-02-26 16:27

  Quote from princesss;351381:

  
  
  if yu wanna waste time and chase the monster yu knocked all across the map then go ahead.

  
  
  show me a video of this happening, cuz I never seen that happen with my friend's r9 Crit Hit Scythe.
• princesss wrote on 2011-02-26 17:41

  Quote from futaki;351511:

  Ok I guess 10 seconds off a run because you are chasing a mob is a big deal. OK LOL

  
  
  ok maybe to random pugs like yu it isnt a big deal.
  
  but to me its a big deal. i dont want to spend my time in a run running off and chasing a monster.
  
  and to the person who told me to post a vid,
  
  how can i post a vid when my crit is rF?
  
  not gonna argue anymore if yu wanna rank it up then go ahead im just sharing my opinion theres no rule stating what we can rank and what we cant rank
• Mama wrote on 2011-02-26 17:52
  anyone else think princesss is troll-esque :p
  
  youre fine to have the opinion that ranking critical will destroy your gameplay, but there's a line that is crossed.
• Kueh wrote on 2011-02-26 18:00

  Quote from princesss;351728:

  how can i post a vid when my crit is rF?

  
  
  How can you make such a bold claim--that a high critical hit will be so detrimental, and that it will send mobs flying all the way across the room--if you don't even have it ranked at E?
  
  Also, I have never, ever, seen a living model be flung across the room. If you're seeing this happen, it's because they're ragdolling, which means they're dead.
  
  In other words, when you say critical hit makes mobs fly across the room, you're claiming that it's so powerful that it kills them and knocks them away.
• princesss wrote on 2011-02-26 18:55

  Quote from Lyre;351735:

  How can you make such a bold claim--that a high critical hit will be so detrimental, and that it will send mobs flying all the way across the room--if you don't even have it ranked at E?
  
  Also, I have never, ever, seen a living model be flung across the room. If you're seeing this happen, it's because they're ragdolling, which means they're dead.
  
  
  
  
  In other words, when you say critical hit makes mobs fly across the room, you're claiming that it's so powerful that it kills them and knocks them away.

  
  
  
  
  i played the korean version so I i think i have the right to say it. but if you dont want to you dont have to believe.
  
  im not trolling. im just LoLing at the random that was making fun of my post when he doesnt know anything
• Andy-Buddy wrote on 2011-02-26 18:59

  Quote from princesss;351761:

  i played the korean version so I i think i have the right to say it. but if you dont want to you dont have to believe.
  
  im not trolling. im just LoLing at the random that was making fun of my post when he doesnt know anything

  
  
  Playing the Korean version does not mean anything for your argument. There is no future content we are talking about, only current skills and current monsters. If a monster doesn't fly away now from a Strong, Well-Strengthed Scythe Evie, and it dies/gets knocked down but in range of your pull, then why not rank Critical Hit?
• princesss wrote on 2011-02-26 19:08

  Quote from Andy-Buddy;351764:

  Playing the Korean version does not mean anything for your argument. There is no future content we are talking about, only current skills and current monsters. If a monster doesn't fly away now from a Strong, Well-Strengthed Scythe Evie, and it dies/gets knocked down but in range of your pull, then why not rank Critical Hit?

  
  
  actually it validates my arguement mainly because it has happened in the korean version. like i said, if you dont want to believe it , by all means dont .
  
  i am stating that monsters in hero mode such as stone skinned wont die from just LLLR even with well str scythe evie. and if crit knocks it away then ok hf chasing.
  
  stop replying to my post i really dont wanna waste time having an arguement on line . up to you if you wanna believe i posted my opinion
• Kueh wrote on 2011-02-26 19:47

  Quote from princesss;351772:

  i am stating that monsters in hero mode such as stone skinned wont die from just LLLR even with well str scythe evie. and if crit knocks it away then ok hf chasing.

  
  
  As I've said, live models do not get knocked back across the map.
  
  Because you move forward when you do normal attacks, by the time you're ready for another Loom, you're already right in front of them again.
  
  There's no chasing.
• xJac wrote on 2011-02-26 21:07
  @princesss
  You made a claim, monsters get flung across the map, but you never show any evidence. As of us, we never seen this happened, and asked you to back it up.
  
  We are trying to have a discussion here, and we will accept being wrong if you have proven it. Yet, despite how many people saying Critical Hit is bad, none has shown a proof of such event from happening in game.
  
  We will give the "knocking away of monster" a benefit of doubt; however, seeming that NOT A SINGLE proof has been shown, it is reasonable to assume it happens very rarely, and likely won't affect scythe gameplay in general.
  
  Again, whatever you said is just empty words without backing it up. I have already searched through numerous of boat 6 videos, even afkalmighty's own videos, I have yet to find a instance where evie's upswing would knock a monster much further away than his downswing can land without killing the monster (this is not even talking about using BT). It's possible that this do happen, but the fact not a single video has shown it tells us one thing, "it doesn't happen often that it becomes a hassle".
• GregHouse wrote on 2011-02-26 21:48

  Quote from xJac;351884:

  @princesss
  We will give the "knocking away of monster" a benefit of doubt; however, seeming that NOT A SINGLE proof has been shown, it is reasonable to assume it happens very rarely, and likely won't affect scythe gameplay in general.
  
  [...] It's possible that this do happen, but the fact not a single video has shown it tells us one thing, "it doesn't happen often that it becomes a hassle".

  
  
  Hello Jac, i can assure you that this event DOES happen, i have to agree with most of what youve said thoug. Its not a OMG that monster can fly! thing, but it does make you miss the second part of the smash. Its true that this happens very rarely for people with low crit, and rarely for people with capped crit. Its not a reason to switch to lann or fionna, but can be considered a hinder for people who likes to maximize dmg.
  
  So yes, eventually youll miss dmg, and maybe youll clear the party 2 secons slower. Or maybe more.
  
  A good point was made a few post behind: what if you ranked EVERYTHING ELSE, and if you dont rank Crit youll let the ap die. I guess thats a good scenario to think of. Besides, i believe Oblivion ES grants a chance of activating averytime you get a crit, so ... that might help us make our decision. (Im unsure about that ES)
• Mama wrote on 2011-02-26 22:02

  Quote from GregHouse;351915:

  
  So yes, eventually youll miss dmg, and maybe youll clear the party 2 secons slower. Or maybe more.
  

  
  
  :p
  people seem to forget that having high critical rate means a boost in damage, albeit small, but still not insignificant
  unless you are spending most of the battle whiffing as is the case in some difficult boss battles
  
  and it is true, it has never been documented in video, which raises the question: is it worth all the trouble arguing the adverse affect?
  people will tell you it never happened to them, people will tell them it sends everything flying everywhere, it really makes the credibility questionable.
  
  Thus it is not ethical to tell them it will hinder your gameplay, and at the same time tell you it will help you only
  I agree with leaving it as something lower priority, but I still use at least rank E
• xJac wrote on 2011-02-26 22:57
  Like Mama mentioned, questionable credibility. People can say anything, I have no problem with that. But when it comes to telling another person not to do this or that, I demand proof to backup his statement. And to be honest, even if he can "prove" it happens. It only shows it do happen, but nothing about the frequency.
  
  "Critical Hit is Bad" based on the fact that you will knock away monster on upswing and missing your downswing, and leaving monsters unharmed. Good point, but how often does it happen? Is it avoidable through adjustment in movement? How does this affect solo/party? Would BT not enough to finish the mob? Or if the downswing do end on the mob, is the mob guaranteed dead (including BT)?
  
  As far as I know,
  (1) This doesn't happen often at all, very rarely.
  (2) Avoidable by using LLR.
  (3) Only affect solo. (Team play? forget it, how many times do you actually see mobs stay in a big chunk group for party dungeon? Do you kill less efficient in times when mobs are all scattered?)
  (4) BT is usually enough to do the job. It's possible boat 6 will be different. Not in the videos I have watched though.
  (5) Questionable. I didn't really pay attention to scythe user using BT in hero mode, but if the mob is not dying by the BT, it's likely the mob won't die even with the downswing damage count in.
  
  
  People can argue they don't like Critical Hit and don't want to rank it, I am totally fine with it. But if someone wants to convince others that "Critical Hit is BAD", I want to see actual proof, not just someone's opinion.
• Amada wrote on 2011-02-28 04:02

  Quote from Tasha;350702:

  I dare say it's not a good skill at all for Evie.
  
  Trash mobs aren't so much trash as the boats get higher... it's silly to intentionally do something that could give you a disadvantage with them.

  
  
  I really don't believe that's enough to justify losing damage on the real issue in a dungeon -- the boss.
• Mama wrote on 2011-02-28 07:00
  its mostly a boat 6 problem. It happend to a korean who most people worship information wise, and suddenly critical becomes the plague upon the game, rendering people powerless in the event of 'accidentally' levelling it up to rank E. Informational bias at its best. It's a relief though to know there are some critical thinkers on these forums, though.
• Amada wrote on 2011-02-28 15:27

  Quote from Mama;353526:

  its mostly a boat 6 problem. It happend to a korean who most people worship information wise, and suddenly critical becomes the plague upon the game, rendering people powerless in the event of 'accidentally' levelling it up to rank E. Informational bias at its best. It's a relief though to know there are some critical thinkers on these forums, though.

  
  
  No pun intended, right?