The Fomor

• Xemnas wrote on 2011-03-23 03:38

  Quote from Sevian;381538:

  I've always thought Cichol was a Demigod, for the wings, definitely isn't a Fomor in that sense or a regular God, dunno I read someone's theory about the Wing colors indicating power/rank among the Gods

  
  
  well we know he's at least on equal footing with morrighan/neamhain, otherwise we'd have seen more damage. I would say he's much stronger than them in actuality though because they both seem too afraid to actually do anything to him.(shadow spirit is probably a god killer too)
• Fyois wrote on 2011-03-23 03:43

  Quote from Sevian;381538:

  I've always thought Cichol was a Demigod, for the wings, definitely isn't a Fomor in that sense or a regular God, dunno I read someone's theory about the Wing colors indicating power/rank among the Gods

  
  
  Personally I don't buy the Demi-god idea because while his wings are white, they are also solid, unlike a demi-god's wings which are transparent. The fact that his wings are white may be a conscious choice on his part, perhaps because he wears all black and wants the contrast. He's shown the ability to shape shift (or at the very least create illusions), so he may just bend the wings to look like whatever. In fact though he could have no wings at all. He could still be a god without them.
  
  It could also be that Gods of his world have white wings. Remember as we've established (and the game has made mention of), Fomorians come from another world other than Erinn. In Erinn, Gods have black wings (Morrighan, Neamhain and Nuadha. Macha might have Black wings too if she were alive). In F-World where Fomorians are from, the Gods there might have white wings.
  
  Additional Point: Cichol is clealry a different type of God because you can maintain his power in combination with one of the powers of Bahb Cath (morrighan or Neamhain). While Eabha says you cannot tolerate both of their powers at once, you are apparently able to tolerate one Cath power and Cichol's power. There's no real good reason why you can't handle both Cath powers other than you're body not being able to handle that much god power. Maybe it's actually more that you can only have 2 God's powers, and you can't get rid of Cichol's. It may be that Morrighan and Neamhain's powers are interchangeable because, seeing as they are both goddeses of Bahb Cath, they draw their power from the same source.
  
  On the topic of Morrighan, I think her plan is more just to maintain her authority. Respect Morrighan's authority! I certainly do, despite that so far it looks like chapter 4 is forcing me to go against her will even though I say screw Shakespeare. She wants him dead,s I say let him be killed.
  
  To Xemnas' point: I agree that he may be on equal footing, but he's much more upfront and aggressive, making him more powerful in that regard because he actually imposes his will.
• truefire wrote on 2011-03-23 03:51

  Quote from Xemnas;381553:

  well we know he's at least on equal footing with morrighan/neamhain, otherwise we'd have seen more damage. I would say he's much stronger than them in actuality though because they both seem too afraid to actually do anything to him.(shadow spirit is probably a god killer too)

  
  
  I think Cichol is stronger than Neamhain but weaker than Morrighan. Cichol can only restrain her but has no real intentions of direct conflict with her, and at any point where she is all for direct conflict he's not exactly eager to throw down. Then again, fighting a god/goddess is one thing; fighting the one in charge of war and vengeance is another. Still, he is incredibly crafty, as he has had a hand in almost everything that has transpired since G1, and he is very resilient, as he has shown remarkable survivability at times when anyone else would have died, god or not.
  
  I have no idea what Morrighan is plotting. Rather than being sinister and diabolical, she seems... paranoid. It's not that she's looking for global domination, but that everything is either useful or a threat in her eyes, and just by being useful, things ultimately become a threat. Such was it for Cichol, such is it for the Milletian (us).
  
  Edit: @the theory regarding wing color and rank. I doubt rank has anything to do with wing color. If that were true, then Cichol would actually be weaker than the other gods and goddesses. Nuadha, king of the gods, is black-winged just like Morrighan and Neamhain. Besides, Morrighan's black wings are easily explained because she is symbolically represented as a crow. This also stems to Neamhain who in actual mythology would actually be a part of the same collective as Morrighan (ie. one goddess with different aspects, rather than multiple individual ones). For that reason, it wouldn't be surprising if Macha were also depicted to have black wings before she descended from divinity.
• ZazieTheBeast wrote on 2011-03-23 04:16
  think the fomors mabi wise are more of a group or political party rather than a race, which would explain how morgant can fight for one side and then switch to the other. It also explains why his daughter is considered a fomor since the only fomorian thing about her is the necklace she has
• Vejosa wrote on 2011-03-23 04:37
  Keep in mind, it is explained in G11 that Cichol was made into a demigod/God by morrigan, so in actual fact he is proably slightly weaker than her. Morrigan also doesn't seem to like fighting directly(she has very defensive attacks) but there are things about her that we do not know, for example she has the ability to summon and control the Grim Reaper(G13:Hamlet), I don't exactly consider us on good terms with her atm due to the events of G13 and G11.
  
  Anyways lets keep this on the topic of Fomor XD, and not so much morrigan, Cichol is a good topic though!!
• truefire wrote on 2011-03-23 08:43

  Quote from Vejosa;381645:

  Keep in mind, it is explained in G11 that Cichol was made into a demigod/God by morrigan, so in actual fact he is proably slightly weaker than her. Morrigan also doesn't seem to like fighting directly(she has very defensive attacks) but there are things about her that we do not know, for example she has the ability to summon and control the Grim Reaper(G13:Hamlet), I don't exactly consider us on good terms with her atm due to the events of G13 and G11.
  
  Anyways lets keep this on the topic of Fomor XD, and not so much morrigan, Cichol is a good topic though!!

  
  
  Cichol is definitely the god of the fomors. It's been mentioned in the past that none of the gods/goddesses were always gods, in which case Cichol having been granted divinity by Morrighan coincides with that concept. It's also the case that it does not make sense for Cichol to be a mere Demigod as you are channeling his own powers whenever you ascend to the Demigod state. The fact that you can use his abilities regardless of which goddess you have allied with might also be a testament to his rankings amongst the gods, which would make him a lesser god (as you are arguably using a lesser power) and Morrighan/Neamhain at a higher tier. As far as his ascension, G12 actually raises some interesting questions about the process, since it is in that generation where Nuadha actually looks favorably upon the Milletian and offers them godhood.
• Fyois wrote on 2011-03-23 11:49
  Perhaps If you use demi power enough you can in fact become a full god? Or maybe since Nuadha was so interested in you becoming a god during G12, maybe his power is in some way responsible for it.
• MSZShadow wrote on 2011-03-24 19:45

  Quote from Vejosa;380133:

  Remember Morgrant(Lugh), he is part fomor as well according to Irish myth(sure he is a Miltian in Mabinogi but Miltian is more of a title than an actual race since Miltians can be any race).

  
  
  Last I checked, Milletians were in fact, a race.
  They're supposedly other-worldly/spiritual in the sense that they are unable to directly affect worlds they exist in, except by means of inhabiting a body designed specifically to house a Milletian. This is why they can "be" any race, because they emulate a member of that race.
  
  

  Quote from Xemnas;381553:

  (shadow spirit is probably a god killer too)

  
  
  Shadow Spirit gets most of its power from Stunlock.
  
  Morrighan's Eclipse of Wings = No-no to Stunlock.
  
  
  Also, last I checked, Cichol was always one of the Tuarth De Danann...
• Fyois wrote on 2011-03-24 20:03

  Quote from MSZShadow;383132:

  
  Also, last I checked, Cichol was always one of the Tuarth De Danann...

  
  
  Source?
• Roy Mustang wrote on 2011-03-24 20:04

  Quote from Sinned;379653:

  I've been wondering about the whole Tara thing too....
  
  were they that bored that they completely recreated the rath castle and the whole entire giant shadow tara realm?
  this goes for taillteann too
  
  unless what happens to the structures of one world influence another but then that would mean that they could destroy TNN structures by destroying the shadow version

  
  
  Technically the Shadow Realm was the doing of that dead Partholian Prince as was revealed towards the end of G11. The fomors just took advantage of the place.
• User495 wrote on 2011-03-24 20:07

  Quote from MSZShadow;383132:

  Last I checked, Milletians were in fact, a race.
  They're supposedly other-worldly/spiritual in the sense that they are unable to directly affect worlds they exist in, except by means of inhabiting a body designed specifically to house a Milletian. This is why they can "be" any race, because they emulate a member of that race.
  
  
  
  Shadow Spirit gets most of its power from Stunlock.
  
  Morrighan's Eclipse of Wings = No-no to Stunlock.
  
  
  Also, last I checked, Cichol was always one of the Tuarth De Danann...

  
  
  God killer in that context probably was more towards the fact that Shadow of Spirit could lower Defense/Protection like the Brionac
• Xemnas wrote on 2011-03-24 21:22

  Quote from Sevian;383145:

  God killer in that context probably was more towards the fact that Shadow of Spirit could lower Defense/Protection like the Brionac

  
  
  And it seems to gain power from fallen enemies.
• MSZShadow wrote on 2011-03-24 23:09

  Quote from Sevian;383145:

  God killer in that context probably was more towards the fact that Shadow of Spirit could lower Defense/Protection like the Brionac

  
  
  And Rage of Wings ignores Protection.
  Also, Eclipse of Wings is still incredibly powerful, even without def/prot.
  
  

  Quote from Xemnas;383196:

  And it seems to gain power from fallen enemies.

  
  
  You mean duration, I think. I've never experienced a damage difference with regard to the number of shadows gathered.
  
  

  Quote from Fyois;383142:

  Source?

  
  
  It's something I read somewhere, although I can't remember whether it was for Mabinogi or actual Mythology...
  
  Also, I read the Generation text, and I recall no such suggestion/statement that Cichol was made into a Tuarth De Danann by someone.
• Dixon wrote on 2011-03-24 23:14
  Fomor is both a race and a faction.
  
  Goblins, Trolls, Skeletons, Kobolds and the like are of the faction, whereas the Shadow inhabitants are of the race.
  
  There are some discrepancies however where the likes of Triona are concerned...
  
  
  Edit: Anyone in this thread who misspelled the subject matter as 'formors' or any variation is more idiotic than there are words to describe.
• Roy Mustang wrote on 2011-03-25 10:16

  Quote from Dixon;383287:

  Fomor is both a race and a faction.
  
  Goblins, Trolls, Skeletons, Kobolds and the like are of the faction, whereas the Shadow inhabitants are of the race.
  
  There are some discrepancies however where the likes of Triona are concerned...
  
  
  Edit: Anyone in this thread who misspelled the subject matter as 'formors' or any variation is more idiotic than there are words to describe.

  
  
  So I'm more idiotic than words can describe?
  
  That comment wasn't necessary.
  
  Not by far.
  
  I'm sorry I misspelled the word. I don't really spellcheck foreign words that much >.>
  
  That and I always tend to butcher the spelling for fomor.
  
  dealwithit.jpg.