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Syrion wrote on 2012-01-05 18:39

Quote from Ekaterin;723488:
B> Blunt of Elsinore. Where's the ~200 max dual-wield secondary for giants? Also B> a 10 crit 20 max title for melee. Though I would settle for another 300 STR in skills so we're on par with range.

I hate devcat's giant racism. >_<

its right beside the 240 Max 1 hand sword ego for humans
EndlessDreams wrote on 2012-01-05 18:42

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its right beside the 240 Max 1 hand sword ego for humans

Can't tell if sarcasm or not...

If you are talking about the Machete ego, it cannot be dual wield.

What game really needs is more accessible fierce ribbons.
Intimacy wrote on 2012-01-05 18:44

Quote from Syrion;723642:
its right beside the 240 Max 1 hand sword ego for humans

The one that can only be used with a shield since it's 1 hit only?
Cathaoir wrote on 2012-01-05 18:45

Quote from radionoise;723612:
Why would you need 300 extra STR to be on par with range when giant melee already has more damage than any range? If you really believe that both skillsets should have the same damage, then it is range that NEEDS 300 extra DEX to catch up with giant melee. Yes, like I've said a lot of times already... who cares if an elf has a million DEX and a giant only has 1 STR when the elf's weapon has 1 damage and the giant's weapon has a million damage. In the end, giant melee has wayyyyy more damage than range does either way... just because the stats are higher for range it doesn't actually mean it's damage is higher or even anywhere near close to giant melee.

To add onto this, this is the one of the reasons why it's so much harder for rangers(both Elf and Human) to get good at what they need to be good at. Since weapon damage is lower than the melee counterpart, rangers have to work harder to get all that dex to become good, whereas warriors are able to pick up a high damage weapon and deal a lot of damage.
radionoise wrote on 2012-01-05 18:46

Quote from EndlessDreams;723647:
Can't tell if sarcasm or not...

If you are talking about the Machete ego, it cannot be dual wield.

What game really needs is more accessible fierce ribbons.

Quote from Intimacy;723651:
The one that can only be used with a shield since it's 1 hit only?

Think it's sarcasm. As in, "where's human version of iron mace?"

Also, @ fierce ribbons. Endgame ranger with x2 fierce ribbons is still like 100 max behind an endgame giant without fierce ribbons. That's how far ahead giant melee is in damage... and people still want more.
Cheerios wrote on 2012-01-05 18:49

Quote from EndlessDreams;723569:
Humans are not getting gimped at every update at all unless you call AR buff is getting gimped. There are updates benefited everyone like no mana evaporation. Gachapon made the Rosemary Glove material much more available.

Humans really have no right to QQ with all the buffs they are getting.

i can't even put in words the epic facepalm im doing right now
TropicalCat wrote on 2012-01-05 18:54

Quote from Cheerios;723665:
i can't even put in words the epic facepalm im doing right now

Can't be more epic then the One I did after hearing: "O m ge like may i by your glowy arm gun??"
Syrion wrote on 2012-01-05 18:56

yea it was sarcastic, I think I shoulda said dual -wieldable.

melee does have more damage, but it should have more balance wise when you compare the mechanics of Wm vs crashshot. I don't really believe there's any imbalance

on the other hand elf mag vs smash is certainly not well balanced
EndlessDreams wrote on 2012-01-05 19:04

Quote from Cheerios;723665:
i can't even put in words the epic facepalm im doing right now

Is this because you can't come up with any of these supposed gimped at every update like you said?

Quote from Cheerios:

Humans are getting gimped with every update and you don't see us QQing all over the place now do you?

Quote from Syrion;723683:

melee does have more damage, but it should have more balance wise when you compare the mechanics of Wm vs crashshot. I don't really believe there's any imbalance

With Ice Dragons, melee players who have tons of NX can chain WM like Crash Shot though.
Syrion wrote on 2012-01-05 19:14

Quote from EndlessDreams;723702:
Is this because you can't come up with any of these supposed gimped at every update like you said?

With Ice Dragons, melee players who have tons of NX can chain WM like Crash Shot though.

primary target damage

and for a continuous chain u need 30 ice dragons, which is like 500k+ nx and insane Micro

tho u can achieve similar effects for short periods

tho sub ~400 range CS will still execute at shorter intervals
Cheerios wrote on 2012-01-05 19:24

Quote from EndlessDreams;723702:
Is this because you can't come up with any of these supposed gimped at every update like you said?

Or because your statement about AR was so ridiculous i rather laugh at it than bother answering. Anyway here's a tip

Melee : giants > humans
Archery : elves > humans
magic : elves > humans > giants
alchemy : all equal
martial arts : giants > humans > elves

Overall dmg output : elves > giants > humans

AR buff was a simple dog treat to humans, elves and giants still have the upper hand on both playstyles and the gap keeps widening as time passes.
Lances and sniper title for example, even though both can be worn by humans too, giants take much more profit than humans with lances same as elves with sniper title.
Ekaterin wrote on 2012-01-05 19:31

Quote from radionoise;723657:
Also, @ fierce ribbons. Endgame ranger with x2 fierce ribbons is still like 100 max behind an endgame giant without fierce ribbons. That's how far ahead giant melee is in damage... and people still want more.

That is utterly ridiculous and completely false. One of my elf ranger guildies has well over 600 max now (over 700 in trans). Things like the Sniper title (10 crit 20 max for range), dexterity enchant (14 max for range, 10 max for melee), and other things add up. Ego ring/wing bows get pretty high damage now, too, as do enchanted highlanders, and they are hardly rare thanks to gacha, events and dupers.

As for human dual wield, Elsinore has about 105 max over an upgraded warhammer. Once you add some enchants, you can knock that down to around 70. Ego bastard is about 50 below iron mace, Muramasa about 60. Even with blunt mastery > sword, they're on par.

Then there is the current gacha. Lots of Restored White Horse clothes, but they're all Human/Elf only. Items like a Wooden Needle WPC which are also H/E only. Pre-enchanted CP gear is always H/E only -- getting a giant-compatible set is very difficult and expensive.

Anyway, IMHO Giants SHOULD have higher max melee than the others, because it's what we get. We have no range to speak of (Throw is not a viable combat option due to cooldown), and we're gimped for magic (lower stat boost from some skills, higher MP costs, lower MP pool from age/levels). We do have some melee bonuses (no-shield charge, faster smash, better lance), but not enough to offset the lack of available STR.

I have almost all the STR I can get in the game. I still need a bit from carpentry (13) and Fireball (8) and Blaze (7). But that's it.When I do I could maybe hit 600 str before I RB on warrior destiny, with my ES and dual maces (which give me 59 more).

I am not asking for more max than range. Or at least not much. Just put us on par with the tinies and give us equal love in gacha and event prizes.

Oh, and to keep it on-topic, my skills as of a month and a half ago. I ranked flame since then (r1 flame, fire alch, r4 chain, and r3 alch mastery now, the rest are mostly the same):

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Elena wrote on 2012-01-05 19:37

Eka. That's Indexu you quoted.
Karuta wrote on 2012-01-05 19:37

Quote from Ekaterin;723737:

Eka that's dexu..LOL look at skype

You guys are so silly sometimes.
Kaon wrote on 2012-01-05 19:37

Quote from Ekaterin;723737:
That is utterly ridiculous and completely false. One of my elf ranger guildies has well over 600 max now (over 700 in trans). Things like the Sniper title (10 crit 20 max for range), dexterity enchant (14 max for range, 10 max for melee), and other things add up. Ego ring/wing bows get pretty high damage now, too, as do enchanted highlanders, and they are hardly rare thanks to gacha, events and dupers.

As for human dual wield, Elsinore has about 105 max over an upgraded warhammer. Once you add some enchants, you can knock that down to around 70. Ego bastard is about 50 below iron mace, Muramasa about 60. Even with blunt mastery > sword, they're on par.

Then there is the current gacha. Lots of Restored White Horse clothes, but they're all Human/Elf only. Items like a Wooden Needle WPC which are also H/E only. Pre-enchanted CP gear is always H/E only -- getting a giant-compatible set is very difficult and expensive.

Anyway, IMHO Giants SHOULD have higher max melee than the others, because it's what we get. We have no range to speak of (Throw is not a viable combat option due to cooldown), and we're gimped for magic (lower stat boost from some skills, higher MP costs, lower MP pool from age/levels). We do have some melee bonuses (no-shield charge, faster smash, better lance), but not enough to offset the lack of available STR.

I have almost all the STR I can get in the game. I still need a bit from carpentry (13) and Fireball (8) and Blaze (7). But that's it.When I do I could maybe hit 600 str before I RB on warrior destiny, with my ES and dual maces (which give me 59 more).

I am not asking for more max than range. Or at least not much. Just put us on par with the tinies and give us equal love in gacha and event prizes.

Oh, and to keep it on-topic, my skills as of a month and a half ago. I ranked flame since then (r1 flame, fire alch, r4 chain, and r3 alch mastery now, the rest are mostly the same):

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Eka, he is that guildie. lol.

And giants are completely capable of 700 max actual dual wield damage non-trans. That's not what shows on the character screen tho *shrug

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