Kiss My Ass Nexon

• Kollin wrote on 2011-08-07 04:35

  Quote from Contagion;541624:

  Why would he risk an r9 scroll on the rarest thing in the game??? Especially since scroll runes come out next update, and then the next update after that +15 weapons become the elite force of the universe.

  
  
  im just saying that it is possible to do without spending NX or using any runes. why he didnt wait for scroll runes? he doesnt spend real money on this game nor does he use runes. he doesnt take the easy way out like everyone else who just buys their way to the top.
• Invertex wrote on 2011-08-07 04:37
  Fun fact. I think the chance of failing that much to reach +10 is about the same chance as getting a +15.
  
  Still, this game has always been somewhat pay2win. Cash potions, GGs were the first step. Then the requirement of a +10 to get near 13k attack for the new hero modes. Now the requirements of even higher levels post Dragon.
• Contagion wrote on 2011-08-07 04:38

  Quote from Kollin;541631:

  im just saying that it is possible to do without spending NX or using any runes. why he didnt wait for scroll runes? he doesnt spend real money on this game nor does he use runes. he doesnt take the easy way out like everyone else who just buys their way to the top.

  
  Yeah, I know it's possible. And he got lucky. Your point?
• Kollin wrote on 2011-08-07 04:40

  Quote from Contagion;541633:

  Yeah, I know it's possible. And he got lucky. Your point?

  
  
  that it doesnt have to be pay2win if you dont want it to be. stop QQing because a company is trying to make money, thats what they do. the employees have bills to pay and have to put food on the table, and some have families so even more so. go buy a 1 time fee game or pay for a subscription based game if you want to easily be able to get stuff in game without having to buy items constantly to achieve it.
• Contagion wrote on 2011-08-07 04:43

  Quote from Kollin;541636:

  that it doesnt have to be pay2win if you dont want it to be. stop QQing because a company is trying to make money, thats what they do. the employees have bills to pay and have to put food on the table, and some have families so even more so. go buy a 1 time fee game or pay for a subscription based game if you want to easily be able to get stuff in game without having to buy items constantly to achieve it.

  
  lol
  You just made my day. Thank you.
  
  
  Note to all: if you're not going to read the OP, why bother posting?
  Don't just read the first sentence and be like, "QQ moar noob just cuz you failed enhances."
  Expand your minds, children.
  
• kikyou wrote on 2011-08-07 05:16
  I agree with you Contagion, a game that was suppose to be "player skill" going to be a "free2play pay2win". I know that Nexon should make money, but they do, me and all of my friends always buy nx for cosmetics, but we refuse to pay2win
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2011-08-07 08:19

  Quote from Invertex;541632:

  Cash potions, GGs were the first step.

  
  But neither of these are ever necessary at all. Even the hardest of raids can be completed with a party without all that much difficulty. Some may cause a couple losses, but, meh, you know what I mean.
  
  Not once have I ever said, "man, I really wish I had those cash potions!" It's hard to chug through all the regular ones without dying, lol. At least for me anyway.
  
  Goddess Graces, kinda, but feathers clear up that problem pretty well in most cases.
  
  But runes have a substantial impact. If you lose a raid, you're down half an hour. If you lose a good item, you might be down 10 million.
  
  I really don't consider this a "pay2win" game. The difference between a +5 and a +10 item is definitely worth paying for, but it's not "huge". Player skill will still play a muuuuch bigger role. As it is, you'd be paying to do something like 10-20% more damage, max. In a game like Vindictus where there are the RaidHunters of the world and the... "long term beginners", that 10-20% becomes unnoticeable except on the very highest level of play because on an individual level there's a huge skill gap, even within random public rooms.
  
  If the episode 9 stuff is true, then sure, it might be a bigger deal. But I haven't seen a source saying it is so I'm going to assume it's just a rumor for now, because it seems pretty silly.
• fieonavy wrote on 2011-08-07 15:23
  sorry that i have a hateful bloodlust + 13 dw staff and a + 11 raiders staff atm. i think you just have extremely bad luck. it only took me two tries to get from +9 to + 10. tough luck
  
  as for the + 11, i didnt even want to get it. i was spam clicking the enchant button and it was an accident LOL
• buzzzboy wrote on 2011-08-07 16:47
  I can pretty much confirm that going to +8, +9, and +10 isn't 50% chance. Either DB lied to us, or Nexon secretly changed the RNG.
  
  Don't believe me? I have crafted over 20 braid tassel spears, used over 1500 empowered stones and 60 enhancement runes. I use the leapfrog method, and EVERY time my weapons get to +7 less than half reaches +8. And when I start using runes, the same thing happened to me as it did to the OP: it breaks 4-5 times IN A ROW.
  
  I understand how the OP feels. In fact, I hate to admit it, but I'm starting to feel the same. I used to love this game, but now it's like a punch in the face when they said even +10 weapons aren't high enough. I have a +12 BTS, but in the proccess I've broken around 6 +10s and 5 +11s.
• Invertex wrote on 2011-08-07 17:42

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;541858:

  Clipping this as I'd rather not flood the page with long quotes

  
  
  I was sort of refering to how easy the game gets with them. I'm fairly certain anyone with a decent weapon who buys enough Graces and Potions could solo any raid, regardless of how bad they were. That's sort of what I was refering to as how cash revival/potions were the first step. Not necesary, but they could make up for a huge lack of skill (How can you lose when you're invincible?).
  
  Also yes the damage gap between +5 and +10 isn't that much. But we are looking at a gap of 15 attack speed (7.5%), which was the major reason I went for a +10. Also it seems that the Ep9 or 10 or whatever buffs to +11s and higher ends up with a 2000 attack boost to +15s, making it 3100 attack higher then a +10 and thus putting the attack gap to where a +15 will do 1.7x the damage of a +10 (you pretty much need to spend hundreds of dollars on NX and enhancement runes to make enough +10s to even get one though). With all the new raids getting crazier HP/Def numbers on the boss, soon even 13k attack won't be enough.
• Warkupo wrote on 2011-08-07 17:55
  Nexon is not going to make money by irritating its player base into wanting to quit. Give me things I want to buy and I'll be happy; Give me things I have to buy and I'm going to go play something less infuriating.
• Sora wrote on 2011-08-07 19:20

  Quote from Invertex;542254:

  I was sort of refering to how easy the game gets with them. I'm fairly certain anyone with a decent weapon who buys enough Graces and Potions could solo any raid, regardless of how bad they were. That's sort of what I was refering to as how cash revival/potions were the first step. Not necesary, but they could make up for a huge lack of skill (How can you lose when you're invincible?).
  
  Also yes the damage gap between +5 and +10 isn't that much. But we are looking at a gap of 15 attack speed (7.5%), which was the major reason I went for a +10. Also it seems that the Ep9 or 10 or whatever buffs to +11s and higher ends up with a 2000 attack boost to +15s, making it 3100 attack higher then a +10 and thus putting the attack gap to where a +15 will do 1.7x the damage of a +10 (you pretty much need to spend hundreds of dollars on NX and enhancement runes to make enough +10s to even get one though). With all the new raids getting crazier HP/Def numbers on the boss, soon even 13k attack won't be enough.

  
  
  This is why I think this game is becoming pay2win, it's sickening. I get scared when I try to enhance high level items, and I don't go past +8 anymore because I'm sick of using IRL cash for runes.
  
  Conta, want to go back to playing TERA-KR?
  
  Edit: In fact, I actually stopped trying to compete much, and it's been working better, I don't have any +11 weapon or higher, but I still have as much fun as someone that would have.
• JinNJuice wrote on 2011-08-07 19:26
  +7 weapons. All Gold. +3 armor. No NX. Lv 66. Free.
  
  The only thing I need to pay for are my living expenses and internet, of course. Check.
  I must admit it's becoming far too difficult to play the game...
• foreignreign wrote on 2011-08-07 19:27

  Quote from buzzzboy;542189:

  I can pretty much confirm that going to +8, +9, and +10 isn't 50% chance. Either DB lied to us, or Nexon secretly changed the RNG.

  
  
  VindictusDB doesn't say that going to those levels is a 50% chance.
  
  Not only that, they took down the numbers because they never really could confirm whether they were true or not.
• Sora wrote on 2011-08-07 19:28
  its RNG, its like gambling on a machine, you're gonna lose.
  
  :D