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foreignreign wrote on 2011-08-07 19:30
Oh, and I guess I ought to respond to the first post:
Please don't cite Nexon forum topics as evidence of anything. Of course there's going to be a lot of whining topics; that's all anyone does there. If we judged the success rate of upgrading items just by the forums, then barely anyone should have a +10 anything.
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Contagion wrote on 2011-08-07 21:12
Quote from foreignreign;542398:
Oh, and I guess I ought to respond to the first post:
Please don't cite Nexon forum topics as evidence of anything. Of course there's going to be a lot of whining topics; that's all anyone does there. If we judged the success rate of upgrading items just by the forums, then barely anyone should have a +10 anything.
It's not so much "citing" the Nexon forums as giving an example as to how much people hate Nexon as a company. Do you realize how often they are sued? They battle more law suits than drug companies, but yet they don't change anything about their business model to make it more customer friendly.
And I'm not talking about people complaining about the success rate of enhancing items complaints. lol
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softandsquishy wrote on 2011-08-07 21:35
To the people who are saying that +10 or higher is a luxury and you can do fine without it, in later boats, bosses have 12,000+ DEF. Enhancing weapons is to easiest way to add to your ATK/MATK, because each enhance adds about 100 of each. If you were to be unlucky or opt not to get a +10 weapon, you would need to farm and enchant all of your gear, which also depends on how lucky you are with drops and enchant rates. If you don't have considerably higher ATK/MATK than monster DEF, you simply don't do damage.
Many are frustrated, because Vindictus is no longer a game where you can do everything decently by being skilled. You now have to buy NX, farm a ridiculous amount of money to purchase things, or grind missions for scrolls and materials. I'm not saying casual players should be as strong as people who do these things, but now casual players HAVE to do it to be able to deal damage in Hero Mode/higher boats.
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2011-08-07 22:56
Quote from softandsquishy;542659:
To the people who are saying that +10 or higher is a luxury and you can do fine without it, in later boats, bosses have 12,000+ DEF. Enhancing weapons is to easiest way to add to your ATK/MATK, because each enhance adds about 100 of each. If you were to be unlucky or opt not to get a +10 weapon, you would need to farm and enchant all of your gear, which also depends on how lucky you are with drops and enchant rates. If you don't have considerably higher ATK/MATK than monster DEF, you simply don't do damage.
Many are frustrated, because Vindictus is no longer a game where you can do everything decently by being skilled. You now have to buy NX, farm a ridiculous amount of money to purchase things, or grind missions for scrolls and materials. I'm not saying casual players should be as strong as people who do these things, but now casual players HAVE to do it to be able to deal damage in Hero Mode/higher boats.
Are they changing Hero Mode so you can do it on boats over level 50?
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Random wrote on 2011-08-07 23:23
Still don't need to buy anything from the cash shop to have good gear or be good in this game. I do see the new director ruining this game to the point of no return with the update just the beginning though.
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sadino wrote on 2011-08-07 23:42
Yeah,this kind of enhancement system is suckish but i've played far worse aka Ragnarok Online.Nothing can surpass that.
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Invertex wrote on 2011-08-08 00:09
Quote from RebeccaBlack;542823:
Are they changing Hero Mode so you can do it on boats over level 50?
Hero mode up until (I think) Boat 6 has been released. They did it with Ep8 Part 2.
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2011-08-08 02:56
Quote from Invertex;542967:
Hero mode up until (I think) Boat 6 has been released. They did it with Ep8 Part 2.
Oh.
That's all I can really say. Oh. I hope it doesn't become an important part of the game, or else this enhancement nightmare might actually come true.
I'm using a Valor Rakum Rakish+5 and standard non-upgraded int gear. I hardly ever play, but I do pretty well... this is going to be a preeetty big problem for me.
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softandsquishy wrote on 2011-08-08 03:05
It already is coming true.
If you touch Boat 6 on Hero Mode, you should have 13,000+ ATK/MATK. If not, you run the risk of running out of time, because you simply don't do damage past boss defense.
Unless they release new weapons with higher ATK/MATK, everyone is going to have to grind money or pay for enhancement runes to get +10 weapons to deal any sort of damage in Boats 9 and 10. They just revealed new weapons that can be made from killing Dragon in Boat 10 with 7,000-8,000 ATK/MATK, but you will most likely need to kill the Dragon who is rumored to have 13,000-13,500 DEF. If you have below that amount of ATK/MATK, you won't be doing much.
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2011-08-08 03:15
Quote from softandsquishy;543249:
It already is coming true.
If you touch Boat 6 on Hero Mode, you should have 13,000+ ATK/MATK. If not, you run the risk of running out of time, because you simply don't do damage past boss defense.
Unless they release new weapons with higher ATK/MATK, everyone is going to have to grind money or pay for enhancement runes to get +10 weapons to deal any sort of damage in Boats 9 and 10. They just revealed new weapons that can be made from killing Dragon in Boat 10 with 7,000-8,000 ATK/MATK, but you will most likely need to kill the Dragon who is rumored to have 13,000-13,500 DEF. If you have below that amount of ATK/MATK, you won't be doing much.
It'd probably be possible to save up money to get those, though. If people sell what they currently have, they can likely get at
least the bare, basic, +0 weapon. I'm not terribly worried about that.
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softandsquishy wrote on 2011-08-08 03:34
There are considerably less +10s than +5s or +6s though, and everyone will be needing one.
This trend only leads to Vindictus becoming more and more for people who pay for NX or who have the time to grind out the money to buy such weapons. I feel that having to grind millions of gold to be able to scratch the surface of bosses is flawed.
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Contagion wrote on 2011-08-08 03:58
All I know is that TERA and GW2 needs to hurry.
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Habskii wrote on 2011-08-08 04:12
Just go off mayne. The day i lose my main lann, is the day that i start hacking. If for some reason my lann disappears cuz nx says "blah blah" i am going to hack my way to lvl 70, creat 20 farmers, get ALL MY **** +15 and then quit...(until Kai comes).
*drops 2 cents*
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Habskii wrote on 2011-08-08 04:12
PLay Dragon Nest son, why isn't there a seperate forum for it btw?....
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2011-08-08 04:44
Because this is a Mabinogi forum.
There is anyway, though. There's some subforum somewhere called Nexon Games.