is it normal for a lann to be contributing only 1 - 6% of the boss damage?

• MareneCorp wrote on 2011-08-27 03:42

  Quote from OizenX;567357:

  You guys are acting like Lann can't get the weakness debuff....
  
  You're argument about that is incredibly stupid.
  
  K well, spear lanns play in close range where they piratically rub their bodies against bosses, usually in spin2win, now their dodge takes 30 stamina, has no invincibility at alll, while with low stamina after spinning. You'll be dead before your respiration rate even gives you the stamina to roll. If you do manage to roll, you'll most likely be clipped by the attack, and be sent to your death.
  
  Now staff evie plays entirely at mid range, and its easier to monitor your stamina with evie's attack and range, and their basic hop takes no stamina, since you're already a good distance away from the enemy, this hop will get you out of harms way. If not, then get in your mana amber and you're safe. (bawww but what if its broken) Flying sparrow backwards.

  
  
  R9 fury infusion Ftw. That's about one of the only good things about spears.
  
  And it still takes HP.
• whocares8128 wrote on 2011-08-29 18:39

  Quote from foreignreign;567251:

  Two characters have Weakness on them and are right next to the boss. An Evie and a Fiona.
  
  The Evie teleports to the other side of the room where the boss isn't at. The Fiona is left with the boss staring at them. Both still have Weakness on them. Are these characters on even footing?
  
  How is this not an advantage.
  
  Saying "you might as well not get hit by Weakness" is like saying "you might as well play perfectly all the damn time because you have no excuse not to play perfectly all the time."

  
  
  Okay, given that all the available characters have Weakness and are right next to the boss, Evie has the best chance of surviving to the end of the debuff (thereby allowing her to deal more damage, while everyone else is simply incapacitated). Happy?
  
  But, that is NOT how the hop usually works, and it would be dumb to put yourself in that situation just to be able to teleport (because you can't attack), nor (as I said before) do I believe the hop is intended to work that way with a constant 0 stamina.
• Intimacy wrote on 2011-08-29 18:59

  Quote from whocares8128;570744:

  Okay, given that all the available characters have Weakness and are right next to the boss, Evie has the best chance of surviving to the end of the debuff (thereby allowing her to deal more damage, while everyone else is simply incapacitated). Happy?
  
  But, that is NOT how the hop usually works, and it would be dumb to put yourself in that situation just to be able to teleport (because you can't attack), nor (as I said before) do I believe the hop is intended to work that way with a constant 0 stamina.

  
  
  Just throwing this out here, for max dps doesn't evie just LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL spam not worrying about combos? Ontop of being a few feet away from them already and amber right out of LL spam once the boss attacks them knocking them out of combo range?
• whocares8128 wrote on 2011-08-29 19:16
  If you have the freedom to attack constantly without getting hit and the boss isn't moving, then yes, Magic Arrow spamming would give the most damage over time. I tend to only use it when transformed though as it reaches as far as most of Evie's other spells then.
  
  Most of the time, it's still best to use the combos and attack from as far as possible, only rushing in to Iceblast or Firebolt when the other 2 (Blind Arrow and Ice Spear) are on cooldown. The focus spells allow you to deal burst damage in the often narrow windows of attack opportunity.
• Intimacy wrote on 2011-08-29 19:22

  Quote from whocares8128;570777:

  If you have the freedom to attack constantly without getting hit and the boss isn't moving, then yes, Magic Arrow spamming would give the most damage over time. I tend to only use it when transformed though as it reaches as far as most of Evie's other spells then.
  
  Most of the time, it's still best to use the combos and attack from as far as possible, only rushing in to Iceblast or Firebolt when the other 2 (Blind Arrow and Ice Spear) are on cooldown. The focus spells allow you to deal burst damage in the often narrow windows of attack opportunity.

  
  
  >staying at a distance
  >still have the ability to amber out of the way of anything.
  >the stamina it takes to heavy stander 1 combo or lann dodge =/= the cost of amber but amber sends you to safety and blocks unblockables.
  >does not have to actually combo if they don't want to and still get almost top damage
  >mana shields
  
  That pretty much sums up evie. Bad evies do better than normal/half good normal players in any other class for the reasons listed above. For me to take top damage in daily raids i have to pretty much go full out aggressive spin to win fiona, some time's i only beat a LLL spamming evie by 2%. Some raids i spin to win trying to max dps, don't die and lose by 5% to a LLLL staffie.
• MareneCorp wrote on 2011-08-29 19:27

  Quote from Intimacy;570783:

  >staying at a distance
  >still have the ability to amber out of the way of anything.
  >the stamina it takes to heavy stander 1 combo or lann dodge =/= the cost of amber but amber sends you to safety and blocks unblockables.
  >does not have to actually combo if they don't want to and still get almost top damage
  >mana shields
  
  That pretty much sums up evie. Bad evies do better than normal/half good normal players in any other class for the reasons listed above. For me to take top damage in daily raids i have to pretty much go full out aggressive spin to win fiona, some time's i only beat a LLL spamming evie by 2%.

  
  
  Don't forget to mention the flexibility of Evie's abilities.
• Intimacy wrote on 2011-08-29 19:35
  Don't get me wrong, i love evies and love fighting with them in my parties the more the merrier, gives me more of a drive to get better and do more damage.
• sakraycore wrote on 2011-08-29 20:42
  Well I mean staff evie is pretty bad when soloing or small teams but to make up for it she's pretty good in party. Seems pretty balanced to me.
  
  I rather go scythe for smaller parties like 1-3 but for bigger parties yea staff is better cuz you can just keep a fair distance away and spam magic arrows. I don't think it's really fair to compare the characters only in party situations.
  
  One other thing I don't think it's fair to call evies who only spam magic arrows from a distance "bad", because it's pretty smart play tbh. You don't really need to do anything else to get that DPS going...
• Intimacy wrote on 2011-08-29 21:09

  Quote from sakraycore;570819:

  Well I mean staff evie is pretty bad when soloing or small teams but to make up for it she's pretty good in party. Seems pretty balanced to me.
  
  I rather go scythe for smaller parties like 1-3 but for bigger parties yea staff is better cuz you can just keep a fair distance away and spam magic arrows. I don't think it's really fair to compare the characters only in party situations.
  
  One other thing I don't think it's fair to call evies who only spam magic arrows from a distance "bad", because it's pretty smart play tbh. You don't really need to do anything else to get that DPS going...

  
  
  Being "bad" with your character means many things, in my opinion either you lack the fighting ability or tactics and resort to the easiest way to play. *turtling* In evie's case refusing to drop corona's properly and ambering the second the boss looks at them is what i called "bad"
• whocares8128 wrote on 2011-08-29 21:31

  Quote from Intimacy;570789:

  Don't get me wrong, i love evies and love fighting with them in my parties the more the merrier, gives me more of a drive to get better and do more damage.

  
  
  There's more to the game than doing top damage. (I don't mean to say that you don't understand that. It's just that part of the reason I disappeared from the Vindictus scene for a bit was because of the update with all the ranking stuff. As if people needed to give a measurement to their e-peen...)
  
  

  Quote from sakraycore;570819:

  Well I mean staff evie is pretty bad when soloing or small teams...

  
  She is? Please explain.
  :what:
  
  
  

  Quote from Intimacy;570835:

  Being "bad" with your character means many things, in my opinion either you lack the fighting ability or tactics and resort to the easiest way to play. *turtling* In evie's case refusing to drop corona's properly and ambering the second the boss looks at them is what i called "bad"

  
  
  I can see ambering all the time being similar to a Fiona constantly staying in HS, but does a player's ability to play their own character depend on how well they keep others alive? You may as well say a Fiona is bad if she isn't always between you and the boss with her large shield equipped. (Okay, that's probably an exaggeration, but I'm not sure what you mean by "properly".)
  
  I solo a lot, so I'm quite used to my staff abilities. Rarely do I use a corona in solo. Unfortunately as the case may be, I often don't drop a corona 'til I see it requested in party chat, or when I need use of it myself. I guess I'm just not good enough to be able to observe the boss' movements, evade, attack, and keep tabs on everyone's health (not just my own) and their locations relative to my own (and where a corona would drop) all at the same time.
• Intimacy wrote on 2011-08-29 21:40

  Quote from whocares8128;570844:

  There's more to the game than doing top damage. (I don't mean to say that you don't understand that. It's just that part of the reason I disappeared from the Vindictus scene for a bit was because of the update with all the ranking stuff. As if people needed to give a measurement to their e-peen...)
  
  
  She is? Please explain.
  :what:
  
  
  
  
  I can see ambering all the time being similar to a Fiona constantly staying in HS, but does a player's ability to play their own character depend on how well they keep others alive? You may as well say a Fiona is bad if they aren't always between you and the boss with a large shield equipped. (Okay, that's probably an exaggeration, but I'm not sure what you mean by "properly".)
  
  I solo a lot, so I'm quite used to my staff abilities. Rarely do I use a corona in solo. Unfortunately as the case may be, I often don't drop a corona 'til I see it requested in party chat, or when I need use of it myself. I guess I'm just not good enough to be able to observe the boss' movements, evade, attack, and keep tabs on everyone's health (not just my own) and their locations relative to my own (and where a corona would drop) all at the same time.

  
  
  Dropping a corona in the middle of 5 people who have 100 hp lost is what i call crap corona dropping, and it's a skill evie has, not using it to help the party is like asking a fiona to run without one of her good smashes. butterfly and whatever good smash sword fiona's have.
  People get hurt it's a fact of life, bosses aggro you instantly 90% of the time when you use potions, corna= instant heal and more time for fighting.
  
  I know max damage is not the only thing in the world, but in an 8 man raid if you fail to pull off 12% you've not 'carried your weight'
  
  And yes some fiona's turtle the whole fight, but from what i've seen from running daily raids....daily the amount of amber happy evies and the amount of turtle master fiona's are miles apart.
• sakraycore wrote on 2011-08-29 21:57

  She is? Please explain.

  
  
  Mana amber is a pretty flawed dodge for soloing. When you're getting smacked around in amber you can't really dish out any damage, and there's always the chance you'll get hit to a wall and then get corned by whatever boss you're fighting. That leaves sparrow kick, the distance it covers is not that big so I guess that's why all the evies like to hide in amber all the time, since it's guaranteed to work pretty much. So I think solo-wise, scythe is much easier. Besides I think scythe is easier for trash mobs as well.
• Intimacy wrote on 2011-08-29 22:14
  A good fiona who knows what they are doing can hold their own with 99% of all evies. Sadly I'm not a good fiona.
  
  In an 8 man glas raid, 3 evies 1 spear lann rest sword fiona's on the team all level 70. so i out damaged 1 evie going full spin to win.
  
  
  

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• sakraycore wrote on 2011-08-29 22:32

  Quote from Intimacy;570873:

  A good fiona who knows what they are doing can hold their own with 99% of all evies. Sadly I'm not a good fiona.
  
  In an 8 man glas raid, 3 evies 1 spear lann rest sword fiona's on the team all level 70. so i out damaged 1 evie going full spin to win.
  
  
  

  
  
  How do you know you outdamaged one evie?
• Intimacy wrote on 2011-08-29 22:36

  Quote from sakraycore;570894:

  How do you know you outdamaged one evie?

  
  Spear lann got top damage, I got fourth 3 evies on a team and no way a sword fiona outdamaged me when i was pure dpsing.
  None the less it was a fun run~