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Juno wrote on 2011-11-26 02:24
At first I thought so as well, except it turns out it's not that uncommon, even on this one day. According to that Cracked article, it happens throughout the year as well. D8
It's true that some people are idiots and occasionally visit stores of some sort, but that doesn't support your 'all americans are savages' statement.
The dates are not all black friday, but the frequency is not 'all the time' either. The incidents listed on Cracked took place over more than a decade and involved a single person acting foolishly, not an entire country.
In essence, no one here is amused by your curious insistence to try establishing superiority over an entire country based on the actions of an insignificant fraction therein. We can talk all day about economics and what have you, but that statement will not hold up.
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2011-11-26 02:25
I like reading these Black Friday stories, and Black Friday in general.
There are only a few days of the year where people as a whole act crazy. Enjoy it, and even participate from time to time. Don't take it seriously and treat it like it's life's game.
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Yoorah wrote on 2011-11-26 02:27
Never made such a statement. Said statement was made by someone who's been too busy thinking about how to portray themselves as some sort of QQing victim, instead of thinking about the more important things here, such as cultural trends, how they tie in with economics and the like.
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Juno wrote on 2011-11-26 02:38
Quote from Yoorah:
Read about it this morning, and all I can say is... lolamericans. What a bunch of savages. Apparently there was a shooting at another store.
I mean, seriously?
Those people need another recession or two, to get them off of this disgusting consumer spending culture. I'm not even sure if this kind of behaviour deserves the word "culture" associated with it... A recession or two will make people more happy.
But, um.. happy thanksgiving, I guess? lol
Quote from me:
It's true that some people are idiots and occasionally visit stores of some sort, but that doesn't support your 'all americans are savages' statement.
Quote from Yoorah:
Never made such a statement. Said statement was made by someone who's been too busy thinking about how to portray themselves as some sort of QQing victim, instead of thinking about the more important things here, such as cultural trends, how they tie in with economics and the like.
Slightly confused.
Were you talking about something else?
Also, what does this have to do with cultural trends? Isolated incidents =/= trends.
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Yoorah wrote on 2011-11-26 02:58
Obviously I'm talking about those involved. :v And it's not an isolated incident. There are stampedes and various other ridiculous stuff happening every year. And you need crowds of people for this, so it's not just one crazy person causing it like what happened here. This is what we call a cultural trend, with shopping obsession or however you want to classify or explain it. :P
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Juno wrote on 2011-11-26 03:11
Quote from Yoorah;671833:
Obviously I'm talking about those involved. :v And it's not an isolated incident. There are stampedes and various other ridiculous stuff happening every year. And you need crowds of people for this, so it's not just one crazy person causing it like what happened here. This is what we call a cultural trend, with shopping obsession or however you want to classify or explain it. :P
Forgive me. Your jump from talking about the people involved to wishing a recession on the entire country and cultural trends sent a few mixed messages.
Also, this stuff is relatively recent and sparse. There was one case of a stampede death a couple years ago, but that's it. This pepper spray is the single incident I've heard of this year. One would need an obnoxious number of 0s to illustrate the painfully small percentage of stores that encounter this stuff. Considering that the U.S. is so huge, those aren't even a blip on the radar when it comes to detecting cultural trends.
For example, I worked 8.5 hours earlier today. We were unusually busy for all of 30 minutes. The rest was just business as usual. Even the chain retail stores weren't busting at the seams. For most of us, black friday is just another over-hyped, boring day on the job.
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Yoorah wrote on 2011-11-26 03:21
I suppose I should have separated the two more. I'd never say that savagery is a cultural trend of the US, and I'd hope that most people would be able to realize that. :|
The recession stuff was referring more to issues surrounding the US economy and culture being so heavily focused on consumerism, which is quite detrimental to economic and cultural health.
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Juno wrote on 2011-11-26 03:22
Quote from Yoorah;671862:
I suppose I should have separated the two more. I'd never say that savagery is a cultural trend of the US, and I'd hope that most people would be able to realize that. :|
The recession stuff was referring more to issues surrounding the US economy and culture being so heavily focused on consumerism, which is quite detrimental to economic and cultural health.
Okay, well, I really don't understand how you communicate at all, but I can agree with that.
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2011-11-26 03:26
If we're going to talk about ridiculous cultural bull****, we'd be better off talking about the people who riot because their team (that they aren't even playing on or are in any way associated with) lost a game.
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Yoorah wrote on 2011-11-26 03:55
Start another thread for that, as it is irrelevant here. :P But apparently they were planning to riot if they were gonna win, too.
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Chillax wrote on 2011-11-26 05:58
Quote from Yoorah;671786:
The article you linked to does make a good point for someone who doesn't understand anything about economics, but it's merely presenting the opposite side. Which is fine, if it weren't so oversimplified and if it showed real examples of how their ideas work in the real world and in the long-term. The fact of the matter is that sometimes you need a jolt to overcome obstacles, the recession being one, with real-world examples such as the housing bubble, the US government taking a look at debt reduction and reforms seriously, etc.
My bad, I provided the same sources twice. Here's one from an economist I intended to post:
Myth 4 of
http://www.econ.yale.edu/~nordhaus/Econ154_Fall_2008/tobin_eight%20myths.pdf
How new businesses get screwed:
http://www.newdeal20.org/2011/05/24/what-bridesmaids-can-tell-us-about-small-businesses-and-the-recession-45931/
How America is screwed for a long time with the recession:
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2009-05-15/wall_street/30013084_1_price-declines-home-prices-fair-value
Care to provide some sources backing your point for my edification, since you say there are economists that support what you said?
While I agree that recessions bring more attention to the workings of the government that should have monitored the economical situation more closely, and consequently, pressure from citizens with tight pockets, that comes at the expense of many Americans who are fighting tooth and nail to make a living. Why should they be screwed just to teach some people a lesson? America doesn't deserve more recessions. What it does deserve is more attention paid to governments and the economy, which you don't need recessions for. Wise decisions by consumers is only one part of the pie, not the whole pie.
Quote from Yoorah;671786:
I suppose I should have separated the two more. I'd never say that savagery is a cultural trend of the US, and I'd hope that most people would be able to realize that. :|
Maybe you should try to stop making blanket statements, because our minds aren't magically connected to yours. We don't know what you were thinking at the time you wrote your post, and we only see what you post. If there was a news article on here that talked about a horrendous blunder that a Canadian committed and I commented with just, "Canadians are stupid", I'd be sure to get some backlash because I didn't qualify what I said.
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Adelynn wrote on 2011-11-26 06:29
Heard about it at a post-Thanksgiving Thanksgiving party. People are nutty when they're stressed.
As for the 2nd Thanksgiving, it's something mom's best friend did because we usually don't see the people that went, but it's always nice getting together with them.
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Guyverunit4 wrote on 2011-11-26 06:52
I blame t.v. commercials.
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Yoorah wrote on 2011-11-26 23:39
Quote from Chillax;672061:
My bad, I provided the same sources twice. Here's one from an economist I intended to post:
Myth 4 of http://www.econ.yale.edu/~nordhaus/Econ154_Fall_2008/tobin_eight%20myths.pdf
How new businesses get screwed:
http://www.newdeal20.org/2011/05/24/what-bridesmaids-can-tell-us-about-small-businesses-and-the-recession-45931/
How America is screwed for a long time with the recession:
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2009-05-15/wall_street/30013084_1_price-declines-home-prices-fair-value
Care to provide some sources backing your point for my edification, since you say there are economists that support what you said?
While I agree that recessions bring more attention to the workings of the government that should have monitored the economical situation more closely, and consequently, pressure from citizens with tight pockets, that comes at the expense of many Americans who are fighting tooth and nail to make a living. Why should they be screwed just to teach some people a lesson? America doesn't deserve more recessions. What it does deserve is more attention paid to governments and the economy, which you don't need recessions for. Wise decisions by consumers is only one part of the pie, not the whole pie.
Maybe you should try to stop making blanket statements, because our minds aren't magically connected to yours. We don't know what you were thinking at the time you wrote your post, and we only see what you post. If there was a news article on here that talked about a horrendous blunder that a Canadian committed and I commented with just, "Canadians are stupid", I'd be sure to get some backlash because I didn't qualify what I said.
The first link was an interesting read. But nonetheless, in the end they explain the downsides of having a recession, which are already obvious enough through common sense alone. Like with some nasty medical procedures, you want to avoid it if at all possible, but sometimes there is no other choice. You say "more attention paid to governments" would be the right solution, but people talk about this all the time, with no results. Could you have imagined the government taking a hard look at the mortgage mess, the gambling-like trading banks have been doing, and impose those financial regulations before the recession took place? There's fierce opposition to these seemingly common sense regulations even now--after a recession that should have taught some people a good lesson. As it stands, they can't even raise taxes on the rich, even though everyone knows it's what needs to be done. The list can go on and on.
As for your criticism of me, I'll just say that it's not my job to spoon-feed people so that even the least intelligent could understand it and not take it the wrong way. It'd be a pretty dull thing to do. When it comes to non-technical matters that should be understandable to all, I expect more from people. If it's a specific topic that not everyone would be knowledgeable in, like say, computer stuff, I'd gladly spend more time and effort to clarify it as much as is required. But when it comes to common sense stuff, if they just don't cut it, then too bad for them. I'm not gonna get upset over them getting upset over nothing.
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Kayate wrote on 2011-11-26 23:45
It was bound to happen.