I hate Lann trollers

• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-01-05 22:38
  People who troll and/or kick Lanns off boats just for the hell of it or something, really piss me off. I'm not naming names or pointing at a certain thread made in a certain forum, but if you want to hate Lanns for no reason, I should hate you for no reason. Just because half a population is a fail Lann doesn't mean everyone sucks, just because I have only 12.5k attack with swords doesn't mean I'm the worst player out there. I swear, if you haven't seen me or anyone else play, just shut up. I would understand if you wanted something like 13k+ attack, then I wouldn't even join the god damned boat, but if you go around saying "All Lanns can go suck a --- they all suck so bad wow what failures trololololo" then please quit the game and live on the bloody streets. Lanns aren't terrible, by god just test the player out if you really want a successful raid THAT bad.
  
  That's the end of my angry ramble.
• Oizen wrote on 2012-01-05 22:44
  Lann doesn't have boobs.
  
  therefore he sucks.
  
  To be accepted in this game you need to wear skimpy armor and have boobs.
• Conor wrote on 2012-01-05 22:47
  I would totally understand if someone kicked my Lann off their boat.
  I am the worst Lann ever. I, to this day, don't know why I leveled him to 61+ instead of my Fiona.
  
  [SIZE="1"][S]oh yeah, so he could be sexy looking..[/S][/SIZE]
• Skye wrote on 2012-01-05 22:53
  I know this one Evie who's worse than a Lann...hehehe...
  But really, it seems like once you get into the 6x's Lanns are much better than lower levels.
• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-01-05 23:05

  Quote from Skye;724047:

  I know this one Evie who's worse than a Lann...hehehe...
  But really, it seems like once you get into the 6x's Lanns are much better than lower levels.

  
  
  And yet people STILL kick him out of raids. Not everyone is a raidhunter, but the amount of Lann hate is getting ridiculous, to the point where I'm guessing Lanns will then be KICKED OUT of 24-man dragon raids.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-01-05 23:09
  Lanns generally do pretty bad, even if they do great damage. I'm sorry to say, but only the ones at the top of the skill tier (or people with stacked defense) do really well, and everyone who's "average or less" seems to do horribly, at least from what I've seen.
  
  If you're good, then you're not missing out on much anyway. Probably around 50% of those 13K+ Colru/Lionotus parties I've been in have been pretty bad overall, and it's clear many of them were (barely) carried by their superior gear. I'm not saying I'm the best player ever, but a lot of the people who talk **** or are generally douchey kind of suck. Certainly they're more likely to be good players just as a level 70 is more likely to be good than a level 61, regardless of being the exact same thing, but it's clear that skill still varies dramatically on a player by player basis.
• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-01-05 23:19

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;724062:

  If you're good, then you're not missing out on much anyway. Probably around 50% of those 13K+ Colru/Lionotus parties I've been in have been pretty bad overall, and it's clear many of them were (barely) carried by their superior gear. I'm not saying I'm the best player ever, but a lot of the people who talk **** or are generally douchey kind of suck.

  
  
  Those that get carried by that kind of gear and are bad really need to learn what a successful Lann needs to depend on. 6k defense here, sure, but why does that matter if you can master almost EVERY boss's attack patterns and know how to trigger invincibility? Defense doesn't play a role in invincibility, at all, one can have 1k defense and still do better than, say an Evie with 8k defense, if the Lann knows how to dodge and the Evie is your typical Evie.
• Kueh wrote on 2012-01-05 23:22
  I dislike when people judge the character instead of the person using it. Vindi isn't like WoW or Maple where you need skilled allocation of points. Vindi utilizes skill in terms of the way you manipulate the character.
  
  
  Still though, something you said bothers me.
  

  Quote from MareneCorp;724036:

  but if you want to hate Lanns for no reason, I should hate you for no reason

  
  
  Doesn't that validate their behavior? By saying you should be able to hate them back basically says it was okay for them to be hating in the first place.
• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-01-05 23:23

  Quote from Lyre;724067:

  Still though, something you said bothers me. Doesn't that validate their behavior? By saying you should be able to hate them back basically says it was okay for them to be hating in the first place.

  
  
  What I'm trying to say is, if you want to go around being a complete ***, you should get the same treatment you give others.
• Kueh wrote on 2012-01-05 23:29

  Quote from MareneCorp;724068:

  What I'm trying to say is, if you want to go around being a complete ***, you should get the same treatment you give others.

  
  
  I understand that much. But acting like that, by extension, says that the initial mistreatments were okay in the first place. And since I disagree with the extension, I can only disagree with the statement.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-01-05 23:29
  Well generally, high defense Evies are bad ideas anyway because defense only activates without mana shields and high defense Evies end up with awful attack/balance relative to their weapon.
  
  However, high defense on a Lann allows for more attacking. Sure, it's great that you can dodge and stuff, but if you're a 10K defense spear Lann, you're probably better off just spinning, eating up all the hits and drinking a potion every once in a while. Why bother dodging if you can do more damage with no loss of survivability?
• MareneCorp wrote on 2012-01-05 23:32

  Quote from Lyre;724079:

  I understand that much. But acting like that, by extension, says that the initial mistreatments were okay in the first place. And since I disagree with the extension, I can only disagree with the statement.

  
  
  The thing is, Evies are so overpowered and so... NEEDED by other classes to even do DECENT in a raid that they can do whatever the hell they want and get away with it, if I have a party full of Lanns and an Evie pops in, I can't say "Get the hell out of my boat." whereas an Evie host doesn't need that, that host can say whatever the hell s/he likes.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-01-05 23:39
  Evies really aren't overpowered in terms of damage. In fact, they do pretty mediocre damage (better than the crap subclasses, not as good as some of the better subclasses), but it could be argued that they're overpowered in utility. Revival, healing, mercury trap, mana pistol, golems, etc. RG is only overpowered during stunlocking, because it's very hard for Evie to get SP and RG is finicky about whether it decides to hit or not... and misses result in death.
  
  I mean honestly, if people would just drink a damn potion, healing wouldn't be such a big deal. Revival... only truly comes into effect when everyone uses their feathers, even if it's something that should always be used first in case they do have to use all their feathers. Mercury trap is good, but no one uses it lmao. Same with mana pistols. Golems are impractical 99% of the time. Despite all of this, there's no denying that it all adds up and has a purpose, even if no one bothers to fully utilize it all. It would require an awful lot of thinking and maintenance to run a staff Evie at 100% efficiency and fully utilize things like mercury traps, mana pistols and golems at the same time while still optimizing your regular DPS.
• Invertex wrote on 2012-01-05 23:51

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;724091:

  Evies really aren't overpowered in terms of damage. In fact, they do pretty mediocre damage (better than the crap subclasses, not as good as some of the better subclasses), but it could be argued that they're overpowered in utility. Revival, healing, mercury trap, mana pistol, golems, etc. RG is only overpowered during stunlocking, because it's very hard for Evie to get SP and RG is finicky about whether it decides to hit or not... and misses result in death.
  
  I mean honestly, if people would just drink a damn potion, healing wouldn't be such a big deal. Revival... only truly comes into effect when everyone uses their feathers, even if it's something that should always be used first in case they do have to use all their feathers. Mercury trap is good, but no one uses it lmao. Same with mana pistols. Golems are impractical 99% of the time. Despite all of this, there's no denying that it all adds up and has a purpose, even if no one bothers to fully utilize it all. It would require an awful lot of thinking and maintenance to run a staff Evie at 100% efficiency and fully utilize things like mercury traps, mana pistols and golems at the same time while still optimizing your regular DPS.

  
  
  The main problem with using a HP potion is that it attracts aggro, which is very hard for most players to deal with (if they're in a situation where their HP is low enough that they're trying to use one). I find Corona tends to make everyone play better, simply as it heals about as much as a Fine + Normal potion (with Rank A mastery) in under a second.
  
  Mercury trap looks pretty useless, it doesn't work on most bosses. The only use for it I see is on Colru's first phase.
  
  Pistols I see often enough, but it does give Evie a lot more aggro management then any other class (with the ability to put all aggro onto the pistol for a moment, allowing a short breather).
  
  Golems I only ever see used for carrying Ballista spear. That and the theoretical use of blocking Colru's unblockable.
  
  What I think Evie's greatest utility is, is Ice Spear. It's not as good solo, but it is one of those moves that gives everyone in the party a free smash of their choice, and I can easily fit 2-3 spins with Butterfly in there. While it's not as good as Reverse Gravity (in that it doesn't stop the boss' attack), it's still a lot more utility then any other class can get (with the closest being Fissure, which requires Lv. 26 DK).
  
  Evie's damage is still fairly good though, while it does lose to a well geared Spear Lann or Hammer Fiona. The problem being these two classes need a bit of defence to reach full potential. While she does have all this utility, it really isn't necesary for any other class to succeed. Might just be due to the fact I'm crazy, but still...
  
  Hammer Fiona is probably the most overpowered character currently as far as I'm concerned.
  
  Edit:
  On topic, I don't personally have anything against anyone (unless they're rude). But I never host so that doesn't matter. What I will say is that I am occasionally concerned with some people's stats (such as 11k attack Sword Fionas, 4k Defence Lanns, etc.), but I tend to not bring it up.
  
  It's only really when I see 5 death notices about the same person, in a row, that I actually start feeling any negativity towards that person (and would, if I was host, kick them next time). While most of the time my concerns are pretty accurate, I still don't think I should judge before I actually see them play.
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-01-05 23:59
  I think a defense stacked spear Lann is on a level of its own. Sure, a defense stacked Fiona has more survivability... but nowhere near the DPS, which is all that matters so far.
  
  And yeah, I agree that Evie is great at doing a lot of small things that make it easier on everyone.
  
  I wasn't aware mercury trap didn't work on some bosses.