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Kollin wrote on 2012-01-28 04:50
Let me hear what you all think, do you think sexuality is a matter of choice, or are you born that way naturally? I, Personally, believe both to hold some amount of truth. It is very obvious in a lot of cases that the person is naturally that way, being with the opposite/same gender just feels absolutely unnatural to them. An example is me, I do not see myself with a female. It just seems completely unnatural for me specifically to be with a female, whether it be sex or a relationship involving love. Choice is also possible, you can choose to do whatever it is you so wish, provided it is actually realistic (i.e. You can't decide that when you flap your arms you will fly). Of course, this can bring into question whether the person is actually bisexual, but choosing to go with either males/females.
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Cucurbita wrote on 2012-01-28 04:54
I'd say half and half.
Though I said "half choice" I don't necessarily want to say its a "choice" either way. But its not ENTIRELY natural.
From a very strict 100 level psychology view point, people are made of half genetics and half conditioning. We are who we are because of what we've experienced throughout our lives.
What we experience isn't entirely up to our "choice".
So its possible that your sexuality could've been influenced by events in your life that you couldn't choose.
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Retard wrote on 2012-01-28 04:55
Sadly i think its more natural than choice...
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Cynic wrote on 2012-01-28 04:57
The only choice involved in sexuality is whether or not you want to deny it.
Everything else is out of our hands, and that is a proven fact.
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Kollin wrote on 2012-01-28 05:01
Quote from Cucurbita;751507:
I'd say half and half.
Though I said "half choice" I don't necessarily want to say its a "choice" either way. But its not ENTIRELY natural.
From a very strict 100 level psychology view point, people are made of half genetics and half conditioning. We are who we are because of what we've experienced throughout our lives.
What we experience isn't entirely up to our "choice".
So its possible that your sexuality could've been influenced by events in your life that you couldn't choose.
Indeed, the whole Nature vs. Nurture debate.
It is possible my "Nurture" influence was that I was in a mainly female environment. It was only me, my grandmother, my mother, and my cousin (who was female) until the man my mother is with and my brother came along (which was around age 4). At school, I was mainly around females. Entirely possible that it influenced me in some way. However, there are plenty of other cases with males being brought up in a mostly female environment and still being heterosexual, which is where people start debating over whether it is natural or not.
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Chiyuri wrote on 2012-01-28 05:03
Hmm difficult question.. Upon thinking about it, it feel rather natural in my case to simply been pansexual. I don't really see what's so importent about the sex of a person so I don't think much of it.
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BobYoMeowMeow wrote on 2012-01-28 05:04
both
since either one by themselves only affects sexuality up to a certain degree
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Episkey wrote on 2012-01-28 05:24
My views on sexuality aren't fully constructed due to my own personal experiences and my beliefs ... but I believe that although some people may have a predisposition towards their sexual preference, it's mainly a choice.
From a scientific standpoint I've seen both sides having support from studies. Therefore when it comes to sexuality, I kinda feel like it's that whole Nature vs. Nurture argument. To blindly say both don't have any impact is a bit silly.
Therefore, I don't like it when people say "It's all genetics! I can't be blamed for how I am!" because it makes you sound like an uncontrollable maniac, personally. Although it may be easier, psychologically, for someone to believe that homosexuality is solely "natural/genetics", scientific evidence suggests that most cases are not solely the result of genetics or hormonal disturbances. After all, people can pursue the homosexual lifestyle even though both of their parents were heterosexual. There is also some heterosexual people have experienced a “spark†of homosexual interest at some point in their lives.
And also, how does bisexuality fit into the equation? If homosexuality isn't a choice, why does bisexuality even exist? Don't even make me mention all these other labels being thrown around @_@
I kinda made myself a little analogy with kleptomaniacs. A kleptomaniac as an urge to steal things for no apparent reason. Most of the time they don't need the stolen items, I remember reading a case study in which a guy continuously stole cans of sardines from a nearby grocery store. He didn't even eat them. He kept it in his basement, but every time he passed by the cans section - he took one. It's not a perfect analogy (I'll admit), but I think sexuality is kinda the same thing. Again, it may not apply to everyone. But, people feel a desire to pick a sexual preference at a certain point in their lives - perhaps a school-age timeframe. For most people, it's not really that difficult. However, some may feel otherwise. Ultimately, however, it's your choice to pursue said feelings/urges one way or another ... In the end though , your personal feelings may or may not make it right. Just like the kleptomaniac.
Kinda makes me sound like I'm saying it's a choice. Well, I think it's like it's mostly a choice.
It's just all a bit daunting on me :sigh: [S]So confusing.[/S]
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Cynic wrote on 2012-01-28 05:29
Quote from Episkey;751543:
My views on sexuality aren't fully constructed due to my own personal experiences and my beliefs ... but I believe that although some people may have a predisposition towards their sexual preference, it's mainly a choice.
From a scientific standpoint I've seen both sides having support from studies. Therefore when it comes to sexuality, I kinda feel like it's that whole Nature vs. Nurture argument. To blindly say both don't have any impact is a bit silly.
Therefore, I don't like it when people say "It's all genetics! I can't be blamed for how I am!" because it makes you sound like an uncontrollable maniac, personally. Although it may be easier, psychologically, for someone to believe that homosexuality is solely "natural/genetics", scientific evidence suggests that most cases are not solely the result of genetics or hormonal disturbances. After all, people can pursue the homosexual lifestyle even though both of their parents were heterosexual. There is also some heterosexual people have experienced a “spark†of homosexual interest at some point in their lives.
And also, how does bisexuality fit into the equation? If homosexuality isn't a choice, why does bisexuality even exist? Don't even make me mention all these other labels being thrown around @_@
I kinda made myself a little analogy with kleptomaniacs. A kleptomaniac as an urge to steal things for no apparent reason. Most of the time they don't need the stolen items, I remember reading a case study in which a guy continuously stole cans of sardines from a nearby grocery store. He didn't even eat them. He kept it in his basement, but every time he passed by the cans section - he took one. It's not a perfect analogy (I'll admit), but I think sexuality is kinda the same thing. Again, it may not apply to everyone. But, people feel a desire to pick a sexual preference at a certain point in their lives - perhaps a school-age timeframe. For most people, it's not really that difficult. However, some may feel otherwise. Ultimately, however, it's your choice to pursue said feelings/urges one way or another ... In the end though , your personal feelings may or may not make it right. Just like the kleptomaniac.
Kinda makes me sound like I'm saying it's a choice. Well, I think it's like it's mostly a choice.
It's just all a bit daunting on me :sigh: [S]So confusing.[/S]
If it is a choice, however... then choose to become homosexual this very instant.
If you can't, then it isn't a choice. If you can, then naturally, it is a choice.
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Chiyuri wrote on 2012-01-28 05:33
Quote from Cynic;751547:
If it is a choice, however... then choose to become homosexual this very instant.
If you can't, then it isn't a choice. If you can, then naturally, it is a choice.
Remind me of colors. Even if someone tell me to favor a color over another, I can't just change my way of thinking, purple will still remain my favorite.
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Episkey wrote on 2012-01-28 05:33
Quote from Cynic;751547:
If it is a choice, however... then choose to become homosexual this very instant.
If you can't, then it isn't a choice. If you can, then naturally, it is a choice.
But. I could. Just because the idea isn't
plausible, doesn't mean it isn't
possible.
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Cynic wrote on 2012-01-28 05:34
If it is, then do so.
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Episkey wrote on 2012-01-28 05:38
Quote from Cynic;751555:
If it is, then do so.
Lol. Are you seriously trying to coerce someone over the internet?
Sorry. You aren't that important to me.
Again, my point remains. I could change my sexual preference, but I don't want to.
I want to remain how I am now.
Also, let me flip something on you. Can't someone who's chosen the homosexual lifestyle decide to choose the heterosexual lifestyle?
This isn't a one-way street, you know.
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Chiyuri wrote on 2012-01-28 05:39
It's possible to overtime change a preference.. but more than often, that change isn't forced by the will of the person in question or even less by other people.. The same apply to sexuality.
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Cynic wrote on 2012-01-28 05:41
You don't want to, or you can't? There is a significant difference between the two.
Lifestyle =/= who you are. You can easily pretend to be straight, but that doesn't mean you are straight. The same thing goes with being homosexual, bisexual, pansexual, etc etc.
If sexuality could be changed so easily, do you really think people would choose to be gay? Even knowing they'd have a chance of being beaten? Killed? Have their rights denied just because a book says it's right? I'm sorry, but nobody would choose such a thing if it really were a choice.