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chaolin wrote on 2012-02-09 05:11
Homework should be done to understand, not as an assignment. Therefore, it should be completely independent of any time restriction.
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Milk wrote on 2012-02-09 05:45
I hear that the lv of education you recieve in a NYC public highschool fails in comparison to other states & canada too :x
Maybe thats why I found it so simple.
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Totoro wrote on 2012-02-09 06:51
[FONT="Arial"]I feel that practice problems are necessary for hard math classes like calc. The problems really help me practice the knowledge I learned in class and understand the concepts better XD Too bad the tests are almost never like the homework >_> My U.S. class almost always assigns busy work, but it doesn't take too long to do XD English is a big pain in the butt though, I have to do a journal entry every school day about finding arguments in current news articles ): All this doesn't take too long to do though, about 3-4 hours a dayy. [/FONT]
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Xemnas wrote on 2012-02-09 06:53
I'm stupid and I never did any homework.
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Kazuni wrote on 2012-02-09 06:55
I think homework should be optional >_>
I mean, sorry, but I don't need to do worksheets to know the material. We have a student teacher in social studies that makes us do KWLs. Excuse me, am I in elementary school? She wants a ton of writing on that stuff too, but it's only for completion. We hardly ever have homework that's for anything but completion.
I don't do homework at home to begin with but since I'm doing two years of math per school year I'd rather not have hours of math to do every day. I don't actually need to do all the questions. Maybe the first three and the last three, but after that it's just annoying as a fuuu-
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chaolin wrote on 2012-02-09 07:46
Quote from pkMaster;768254:
Ya, that kind of thing is only really useful for anyone persuing a career in science. I personally think there should be a more flexible approach to education since the current one is too restrictive for smarter students who want to excel quickly and for slow students that generally have a hard time studying. However, I do also think they waste far too much time and effort re-teaching certain classes. I still can't understand why it takes 14 year to "master" ENGLISH.
I believe you are oversimplifying the education process and overlooking the costs involved in what you're suggesting. Regardless how brilliant or stupid a student is, the fact is they're in school to attain a minimum level of intellectual competence. Personally, I feel that students who are "under-challenged" are arrogant and full of themselves. A truly motivated student will actively challenge themselves to learn material.
Quote from Etoile;768507:
[FONT="Arial"]I feel that practice problems are necessary for hard math classes like calc. The problems really help me practice the knowledge I learned in class and understand the concepts better XD Too bad the tests are almost never like the homework >_> My U.S. class almost always assigns busy work, but it doesn't take too long to do XD English is a big pain in the butt though, I have to do a journal entry every school day about finding arguments in current news articles ): All this doesn't take too long to do though, about 3-4 hours a dayy. [/FONT]
Practice problems can only get you so far in terms of understanding. I know this discussion is about non-college students but if you look at college calculus versus high school calculus, such is the case when it comes to proofs or derivations (to a point).
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Tatsu wrote on 2012-02-09 08:24
Quote from Kazuni;768513:
I think homework should be optional >_>
I mean, sorry, but I don't need to do worksheets to know the material. We have a student teacher in social studies that makes us do KWLs. Excuse me, am I in elementary school? She wants a ton of writing on that stuff too, but it's only for completion. We hardly ever have homework that's for anything but completion.
I don't do homework at home to begin with but since I'm doing two years of math per school year I'd rather not have hours of math to do every day. I don't actually need to do all the questions. Maybe the first three and the last three, but after that it's just annoying as a fuuu-
KWLs has to be most useless thing for work. Ever. Especially the W part. Quite frankly, good at the subject or not, you're probably just in the class because you're in it. You don't particularly want to learn anything about. I mean, they might be useful for research papers, but there are better ways to work on one.
Personally, the math teachers I had for the past two years were pretty good when it came with homework. 20 problems on average about the material you learned today total, with 5 or so questions each for each thing you learned that day with reasonable numbers. My freshman year teacher, however...
40 questions of homework on average, with ridiculous and absurd numbers in the problems that made it uselessly annoying to work with, and wasn't graded for completion. I decided to tell the homework to **** off, and relied entirely on test grades to carry me through the year.
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Tarvos wrote on 2012-02-09 08:45
Personally I think that homework should be optional right from the get go, so it's not such a huge shock for some people as to how important homework can be. If you're in a lecture type class, I find for myself it's very advantageous to actually do it... And by advantageous, I mean, do it otherwise lol enjoy the scores below 20 on exams unless you already understand the material.
In classes where you're doing work sheets all day though, and practicing problems, etc... There's really no need for homework in my opinion, and it seems more like they're just giving out for the sake of it.
What's this about time that should be spent on homework per grade level? Don't they realize that 6 hours is too bloody much? I even think 3 hours is. Teenagers, like everyone else have lives and hobbies. It would be nice if it were like some classes in college which only occur once per week. That way you have an entire week to complete the assignment.
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Yoorah wrote on 2012-02-09 09:01
I know for a fact that I would not have done as well as I did in my science courses in HS and university if I didn't spend all that time re-reading the textbook chapters at home, doing the practice questions, etc. Luckily, the textbooks for sciences I've had have been fantastic and I've found them fascinating. So motivation there was not a problem.
The same cannot be said about the advanced maths. If I didn't have the strict teacher in HS to make me do all those homework problems, I wouldn't have bothered to do them and I would have done poorly. D: So I don't agree with HW being optional. Freedom is good and all, but you need to leave room for discipline in the balance.
As for hours, it really varied depending on the subject difficulty, so there's nothing that can be said about that. More practice is generally better. :P
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pkMaster wrote on 2012-02-09 12:04
Quote from chaolin;768580:
I believe you are oversimplifying the education process and overlooking the costs involved in what you're suggesting. Regardless how brilliant or stupid a student is, the fact is they're in school to attain a minimum level of intellectual competence. Personally, I feel that students who are "under-challenged" are arrogant and full of themselves. A truly motivated student will actively challenge themselves to learn material.
OK, I get what your saying and I agree to a point. But what I was trying to point out was that the current K-12 system is too inefficient in the way it handles education. The way I see it there are 2 big problems that are inhibiting education under the current practice.
The first is that it groups all of its subject matter by age rather than by interest/competency. This system kinda works to a point, but it forces all the students within an age group to learn the same material. That means that smarter students get held back and run the risk of losing interest in learning while the students that struggle get pushed forward unnaturally leaving gaps in their education that make it harder to comprehend more difficult material.
The second is that the education system is trying too hard to accomodate the lowest common denominator by lowering their education standards to allow more students to "pass." While I do kind of understand why they're doing this, I feel that they're not really accomplishing much this way since they're artificially pushing all the smarter students down to a lower bracket which further exascerbates the first problem.
If instead they divided their classes based on interest and capabilities, then it would be more accomodating to the students since it would give them a bit more freedom to choose classes they need in order to excel. And since most of the facilities required for such a change are already available in some manner, it really wouldn't cost that much to implement. Of course that's just my 2 cents on the matter.
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Taycat wrote on 2012-02-09 15:15
I don't get nearly enough homework to feel as if students do get too much homework. I can tell you though, it's odd not getting much and yet I'm a senior in high school?
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Cynic wrote on 2012-02-09 15:27
Public Schools? Nah. They could probably use more. Most publics school are such complete and utter sh*t that it's not even funny. The teachers don't care, the students think it's nothing but a big social fest, and nothing really gets done.
Online/Private School? From what I've seen, they have more than enough. They function more like Colleges in both work-load and seriousness.
Colleges and above? They also seem fine. Some Professors are actually real hardasses and give more than needed. On the flipside, some don't give much. But it seems to even out quite well, especially for full-time students.
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Claudia wrote on 2012-02-09 20:06
Quote from Cynic;768972:
Public Schools? Nah. They could probably use more. Most publics school are such complete and utter sh*t that it's not even funny. The teachers don't care, the students think it's nothing but a big social fest, and nothing really gets done.
Most, but not all.
I hate it when people stereotype public schools. It's as if there's nothing good about public schools and that everything about them is terrible. Not really aimed at you, but just in general, people think all public high schools are bad.
Can't speak for some people, but my public high school is awesome. Then again, when you only have 200 kids/grade, a lot more gets done.
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TA wrote on 2012-02-12 02:59
Way too much for non-kinesthetic learners, yes. Some people need repetition to drill it in, but for others like myself it's actually detrimental to my learning experience.
I have an eidetic memory, so I learn things pretty much the first go around. So having to do a bunch of repetitive work for me is a bunch of bull****. Waste of time, really. Bunch of incompetent teachers giving kids "busy work" because they're too bad to actually teach it. Sad, sad....
Thankfully I'm done with all that nonsense now though.
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RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-02-12 03:15
^ That's basically how I feel about it. I hardly ever did homework in high school... I scored really well on tests and did enough to get by, but I just hated wasting my free time.
Imo, just pay attention/ask questions the first time and actually learn it. I mean, it's not like you're gonna do anything else sitting around for 8 hours a day in school anyway. Then it'll almost never go away and repetition will be unnecessary... and you'll have the free time you want when you get home.
I guess it's just because I didn't take HS very seriously (and was facing many other problems in life). College seems to be all that matters anyway.
Whenever people talk about how much kids need discipline and hard work... I really just have to disagree. You're just making life harder than it has to be :l Just relax and enjoy it for once. Ugh, this all goes into the topic of parenting and I won't even go there right now. I will say that it doesn't translate into helping out much in real life, either, unless you're trying to prepare them for a crappy, repetitive office job. Some of the hardest workers make some of the least amounts of money because people actually believe you have to torture yourself for the rest of your life or get lucky to do well, completely ignoring the other obvious options that would work better.