New weapon, skills, items, and tweaks you'd like to see!~

• Kapra wrote on 2015-01-17 02:51

  Quote from Darkboy132;1261649:

  It's primary feature is area of effect, right? It's useless; three people aren't going to stand around and charge Lightning Bolt for each other.
  

  
  If it's not a problem, why remove it?
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1261649:

  Donno, but why shouldn't it work?

  
  The way you use Fusion Bolt is you, lets say use Lightning Bolt, then during the Lightning Bolt animation you charge Icebolt. With Snap Cast, if you Snap Cast Lightning Bolt then there is no animation for you to cast Icebolt in.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1261649:

  
  Not seeing what you're getting at. I'm not a pure mage but everyone says Adv magic, especially Meteor Strike and Lightning Rod, is very underwhelming.

  
  I'm not sure about Lightning Rod, it's too soon to pass judgement on it. (And it is not confirmed whther Lightning Rod is an Advanced Skill. Needing a staff does not automatically make things an Advanced Skill.) But Meteor Strike is more than great, especially after the animation speed buff. I am a main mage/fighter and the only problem I have with Meteor Strike right now was the 10 sec loading time, which is reduced to 4 seconds in the first Magic Renovation update. If you ask me, 15 min cooldown is already REALLY short, probably more than it should have been reduced to but I'm not complaining. But I don't see a point in removing the natural shield activation of the hellfire. Only change you purposed that I can kind of agree with is making the damage the same no matter how close to the center of effect you are.
  
  Also Shockwave is fine the way it is, it doesn't need any changes at all, and I don't think the change in the first Renovation update was necessary either.
  
  
  I guess I'll make my own Magic post.
  

  
  
  • Mana Recovery
    
    
    
    • Capped at r9.
      
      
      
      • r9 Mana Recovery is 2 sec load time, 4.5min cooldown, and 30% MP recovery.
        
      
      
    • Mana Recovery is now a Book-training based skill.
      
    • These changes only apply if done before Mana Recovery hits official server in its current state.
      
    
    
  • Meditation
    
    
    
    • Uncapped from r8 to r5.
      
    • The first change only applies if done before Mana Recovery hits official server in its current state.
      
    • SP regen rate changed from 0% to 25%.
      
    
    
  • Mana Shield
    
    
    • Defense, Magic Defense, Protection, and Mana Protection does once again apply in damage calculation when Mana Shield is activated, but at a reduced rate.
      
    
    
  • Lightning Bolt
    
    
    • No longer reduces damage as the charge increases, it now remains the same at all amounts. More charges doesn't mean more damage to the initial target, just more possible enemies you can hit.
      
    
    
  • Icebolt
    
    
    • No longer costs any MP at all to use. Only way Mana Vamp will be useful.
      
    
    
  • Party Healing
    
    
    • Master Title's wound recovery effect is now nothing without First Aid. Its effect scales with rank of First Aid.
      
    
    
  • First Aid
    
    
    • Uncapped to rank 4.
      
    
    
  • Spellwalk
    
    
    • Still double MP usage.
      
    • SP usage is high at lower ranks and is 2 SP/Sec on r1.
      
    • Master title still returns MP costs back to normal, but also lowers SP usage to .5 SP/Sec.
      
    • SP is only drained when charging a magic skill while moving, or running with a magic skill that normally doesn't let you move. Not for just having it on even though you don't move, or even though you move but don't have any magic skills.
      
    • Spellwalk lets you run with Blaze and Magic Shield skills.
      
    
    
  • Magic Weapons
    
    
    • The rate of durability loss for magic on Wands and Staves is reduced. The rate of durability loss for melee on these weapons is unaltered.
      
    
    
• Tyskiyomy wrote on 2015-01-17 02:52

  Quote from Darkboy132;1261649:

  
  Not seeing what you're getting at. I'm not a pure mage but everyone says Adv magic, especially Meteor Strike and Lightning Rod, is very underwhelming.

  
  
  They're not, just a lot people think that if it isn't the most efficient thing ever then it's useless.
  
  Though Meteor Strike is hard to back up, Title \o/
  
  
  As for Lightning rod I see a lot of potential if it meets these two criteria for me:
  

  Quote from Tyskiyomy:

  - It has an AoE[Most likely]
  - I can hit over 7k with it

• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-17 02:52

  Quote from Darkboy132;1261649:

  It's primary feature is area of effect, right? It's useless; three people aren't going to stand around and charge Lightning Bolt for each other.
  
  Donno, but why shouldn't it work?
  
  Not seeing what you're getting at. I'm not a pure mage but everyone says Adv magic, especially Meteor Strike and Lightning Rod, is very underwhelming.

  
  
  Generalizations, ho.
  
  Lightning Bolt is not underpowered. It's always been a useful hybrid skill when used to stun at range; instead nerf AOE pet summon effects. On the other side of the spectrum, CC Lightning Bolt is now readily available with the advent of the Tri-Bolt wand. It's probably the fastest way to clear trash mobs if you have enough power backing it. Finally, you can combine it with Fusion Bolt (time permitting) to pre-load 70k burst damage. Lightning Bolt isn't supposed to be the strongest or most viable spell but it manages to retain usefulness, which is enough.
  
  Lightning Bolt is fine. If anything, I would remove the conductivity feature and call it a day.
  
  Healing/Party Heaing
  Raise the magic attack coefficient. Call it a day.
  
  Meditation
  It's pretty much obsolete at this point. I would switch it to improving some other aspect of magic or simply remove it.
  
  Mana Shield
  Uncap it to Rank 1.
  Nerf defense contribution from strength.
  Buff monster attributes (namely attack/def)
  
  Snap Cast
  The skills that you listed are skills that I don't want to Snap Cast. I would leave that part alone.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-17 03:06

  Quote from Kaeporo;1261654:

  Lightning Bolt is not underpowered. It's always been a useful hybrid skill when used to stun at range; instead nerf AOE pet summon effects. On the other side of the spectrum, CC Lightning Bolt is now readily available with the advent of the Tri-Bolt wand. It's probably the fastest way to clear trash mobs if you have enough power backing it. Finally, you can combine it with Fusion Bolt (time permitting) to pre-load 70k burst damage. Lightning Bolt isn't supposed to be the strongest or most viable spell but it manages to retain usefulness, which is enough.
  
  Lightning Bolt is fine. If anything, I would remove the conductivity feature and call it a day.

  
  
  I didn't say it was underpowered, it's just not effective enough as a field clearer. It can hit 15 enemies at most, which REQUIRES 2 other people holding LB charges but they're better off doing other things than playing a useless support role. I see no reason why the conductivity can't be a single-person thing, especially when a single Thunder charge can hit multiple targets at once.
  
  
  Ticking Quiz Bomb:
  -CAPTCHA prompt duration increased to 3 minutes.
  -If a person has been bot locked, the person will instantly be knocked unconscious (no penalties) and gain the title "THE BOT" for the duration of the lock.
  -If a person has been bot locked, the person is prompted to unlock themselves by performing three CAPTCHA prompts in a row, with only three tries in all. If the person fails, they cannot try again until 30 minutes later.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-17 03:18

  Quote from Darkboy132;1261659:

  I didn't say it was underpowered, it's just not effective enough as a field clearer. It can hit 15 enemies at most, which REQUIRES 2 other people holding LB charges but they're better off doing other things than playing a useless support role. I see no reason why the conductivity can't be a single-person thing, especially when a single Thunder charge can hit multiple targets at once.

  
  
  How many enemies should lightning bolt hit at most? Is the inability to hit 16 targets really such a bad thing for an entry-level spell with no cooldown and a potentially non-existent load time? I agree that conductivity is a poorly designed feature but it's better to scrap it than to risk making lightning bolt (of all things) centralize lower-end content.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-01-17 03:46

  Quote from Darkboy132;1261659:

  Ticking Quiz Bomb:
  -CAPTCHA prompt duration increased to 3 minutes.
  -If a person has been bot locked, the person will instantly be knocked unconscious (no penalties) and gain the title "THE BOT" for the duration of the lock.
  -If a person has been bot locked, the person is prompted to unlock themselves by performing three CAPTCHA prompts in a row, with only three tries in all. If the person fails, they cannot try again until 30 minutes later.

  
  Is Bot Locked when you are accused of being a bot and need to enter the captcha, or after you fail the captcha? If it's the first then that's a problem when in PvP. (I already avoid PvPing, when I ever do get in a PvP, people use a bot bomb on me to try and get me distracted enough to have an opening. . .) Though I guess that can be remedied by making bot bombs unusable on targets that are in PvP.
• Tyskiyomy wrote on 2015-01-17 04:28

  Quote from Darkboy132;1261659:

  I didn't say it was underpowered, it's just not effective enough as a field clearer. It can hit 15 enemies at most, which REQUIRES 2 other people holding LB charges but they're better off doing other things than playing a useless support role. I see no reason why the conductivity can't be a single-person thing, especially when a single Thunder charge can hit multiple targets at once.

  
  
  I don't think bolts are supposed to be a field clearer, alone that is... Fusion bolt has its own discussion.
  Conductivity, just drop it, no one really[As far as I know] used it back then no one really uses it now.
  
  As for the thunder thing, it makes sense it hits multiple targets at a farther range given it is an upgrade to the bolt in a way.
  Honestly, Lightning bolt is pretty fine as it is now and with this change it should be a bit better.
• Juno wrote on 2015-01-17 05:03
  When it comes down to it, no one wants to stand around with LB charged while someone else has all the fun.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-17 05:44

  Quote from Kaeporo;1261661:

  How many enemies should lightning bolt hit at most? Is the inability to hit 16 targets really such a bad thing for an entry-level spell with no cooldown and a potentially non-existent load time? I agree that conductivity is a poorly designed feature but it's better to scrap it than to risk making lightning bolt (of all things) centralize lower-end content.

  
  
  I have 970 Int and 192 Magic Attack, and a single of my Lightning Bolt charges does around 350 damage on defense-less mobs (e.g. white spider). It takes 5 seconds to fully cast it and only hits 5 enemies. That's jack shit compared to Windmill, which deals 1k damage bare-handed (391 Max Damage and 923 Str) and has no target limit in the same amount of time. Even when full charged, 30% extra damage isn't going to mean anything compared to Firebolt.
  
  I'd rather preserve the conductivity for single player use, keeping Lightning Bolt's primary feature. That way there would be more use for it.
  
  

  Quote from Kapra;1261666:

  Is Bot Locked when you are accused of being a bot and need to enter the captcha, or after you fail the captcha? If it's the first then that's a problem when in PvP. (I already avoid PvPing, when I ever do get in a PvP, people use a bot bomb on me to try and get me distracted enough to have an opening. . .) Though I guess that can be remedied by making bot bombs unusable on targets that are in PvP.

  
  
  After failing the captcha. But yeah, it shouldn't be useable on PvP targets; why would bots do that?
  
  
  -Self-Healing no longer removes Stamina. Magic already punishes Stamina use enough and Life Drain doesn't even punish Mana.
  -If a bot bombed target successfully solves a captcha, they are immune to bombs for the next hour.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-17 06:06

  Quote from Darkboy132;1261678:

  I have 970 Int and 192 Magic Attack, and a single of my Lightning Bolt charges does around 350 damage on defense-less mobs (e.g. white spider). It takes 5 seconds to fully cast it and only hits 5 enemies. That's jack shit compared to Windmill, which deals 1k damage bare-handed (391 Max Damage and 923 Str) and has no target limit in the same amount of time. Even when full charged, 30% extra damage isn't going to mean anything compared to Firebolt.
  
  I'd rather preserve the conductivity for single player use, keeping Lightning Bolt's primary feature. That way there would be more use for it.
  
  After failing the captcha. But yeah, it shouldn't be useable on PvP targets; why would bots do that?
  
  -Self-Healing no longer removes Stamina. Magic already punishes Stamina use enough and Life Drain doesn't even punish Mana.
  -If a bot bombed target successfully solves a captcha, they are immune to bombs for the next hour.

  
  
  1. I don't understand why you're so concerned about conductivity but not Magic Fusion, which is far more interesting.
  2. Sub-200 magic attack is hardly an indication of anything. Hybrid-usage is concerned with stun, not damage.
  3. Why aren't you complaining about the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of single-cast Firebolt? Lightning Bolt is no different in this regard?
  4. Firebolt only hits one enemy at a time and has a slower casting speed. Lightning Bolt hits upwards of 5~6k and is heavily spammable, unlike Windmill.
  
  I see no valid reason to buff attributes of a spell when not cast by a mage. If you want to hit multiple enemies with one charge, pick up a CC wand or cast Thunder instead of Lightning Bolt.
• Fracture wrote on 2015-01-17 08:36

  Quote from Kaeporo;1261654:

  CC Lightning Bolt is now readily available with the advent of the Tri-Bolt wand.

  
  
  Could you point me to info on this? My searches turn up nothing, but I'm interested. Being able to CC+4 Fusion Bolt would be an insane power-up.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-17 08:50

  Quote from Fracture;1261690:

  Could you point me to info on this? My searches turn up nothing, but I'm interested. Being able to CC+4 Fusion Bolt would be an insane power-up.

  
  
  You can't chaincast fused bolts. The Tri-Bolt wand allows you to chaincast icebolt, firebolt, and lightning bolt.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-01-17 09:07

  Quote from Fracture;1261690:

  Could you point me to info on this? My searches turn up nothing, but I'm interested. Being able to CC+4 Fusion Bolt would be an insane power-up.

  
  http://mabination.com/threads/83558-Mabinogi-KR-Test-Magic-Changes-Patch-Notes-15th-of-January-2015
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-17 18:00

  Quote from Kaeporo;1261682:

  1. I don't understand why you're so concerned about conductivity but not Magic Fusion, which is far more interesting.
  2. Sub-200 magic attack is hardly an indication of anything. Hybrid-usage is concerned with stun, not damage.
  3. Why aren't you complaining about the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of single-cast Firebolt? Lightning Bolt is no different in this regard?
  4. Firebolt only hits one enemy at a time and has a slower casting speed. Lightning Bolt hits upwards of 5~6k and is heavily spammable, unlike Windmill.
  
  I see no valid reason to buff attributes of a spell when not cast by a mage. If you want to hit multiple enemies with one charge, pick up a CC wand or cast Thunder instead of Lightning Bolt.

  
  
  1. I don't use Magic Fusion, and didn't Fusion Bolt get buffed? I find it odd that the new Ice/Lightning Bolt changes don't apply to Fusion but w/e.
  3. Firebolt's... Firebolt. It already has too much damage doesn't it?
  4. I'm still not seeing Lightning Bolt outdamage Windmill...
  
  Even with CC Lightning Wand, it's still going to be an ineffective field clearer. There's still no reason to try to fully cast Lightning Bolt for the 30% extra damage. And since they're lowering Int magic's casting time they're going to be just as fast or even faster than casting the bolts as you've demonstrated with Thunder.
  
  Why are you so wholly against partially retaining its conductivity? It's always been there, wandless or not. It's a feature that's never been used because of how poorly designed it was, but it still had some merit.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-01-17 21:53
  One word. Kusarigama.