New weapon, skills, items, and tweaks you'd like to see!~

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Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-18 13:00

Quote from Zeo;1261818:
That I actually agree with.. Or at least.. release more skills for Hidden tab. They basically released 6 skills for Hidden, and left it at there for the Hidden tab to collect dust forever.

That's what DevCat does...

They have no vision at all and nothing is standardized as a result. Someone needs to spin these guys up on 6Ïƒ.

Dungeons!
- Beginner
- Normal
- Basic
- Advanced
- Hard

Oh, wait!

Hardmode Dungeons!~ Wait, there's only three of them?

Iria Dungeons! What difficulty are you on? I'm running arm! Is that harder than leg? IDK, i'm running eye...but that doesn't matter because/

SHADOW MISSIONS
- Basic
- Intermediate
- Advanced
- Hard

Wow! That's pretty straightforward and it's flushed out, with tons of mission options at centralized hubs. How fancy!

- Elite

A new difficulty? Oh, boy. I bet we'll see another one of those as we get stronger :D
*A low breeze slowly flips a dusty, tired calendar."

Secret Missions! I bet these (THREE) missions will be accessible just like our (TWO) wine missions.

(FOUR) Theater Missions! How accessible! I can't wait to run some ELITE TMs!

Wow, lord missions. It's almost like they're trying...three of them? I guess that's nice.

Abyss dungeons? How many? Two? Reachable? No? Alright.

Disciple raids? Just one? FOR FUCKS SAKE! *spit my last breath at thee*
Fracture wrote on 2015-01-18 15:24

Quote from Kaeporo;1261821:
Disciple raids? Just one? FOR FUCKS SAKE! *spit my last breath at thee*

To be fair, I'm assuming that the next several generations will introduce new apostles as you complete them. That said, it's yet more content that I don't think any single NA server has the activity level to support for very long. Server merge plzkthx. Maybe then there will still be more than 4 people willing to run Girgashiy after G20. Not that it'll really be too necessary, since if the close combat rework is any indication, Renovations will make divine weapons obsolete with the Royal Celtic ones.

They just fucking released divine weapons and suddenly new swords are coming out with otherwise-nonexistent set effects that are too powerful to give up. I've scrapped my plans to make the swords for my friend and am putting the bow for myself on hold until we find out what the range rework looks like. Till then the only one worth getting for me is the Gospel Cylinder.

I really hope we either see dura loss reduction and bash enhancement on other weapons and/or armours, or available from enchants. Otherwise... :/
koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-01-18 17:35

Maybe then there will still be more than 4 people willing to run Girgashiy after G20.

The issue isn't population, the issue is that Gargash is [SIZE="2"]absolute fucking trash content[/SIZE] with [SIZE="2"]absolute fucking trash rewards[/SIZE]
Tropa wrote on 2015-01-18 18:18

Quote from koishi-sempai;1261829:
The issue isn't population, the issue is that Gargash is [SIZE="2"]absolute fucking trash content[/SIZE] with [SIZE="2"]absolute fucking trash rewards[/SIZE]

Pretty much this.

Once I got my Gospel cylinder, I just lost all interest of running it/ranking the skills.

Master Title Tweaks

Chain Cylinder
Now
Stamina +40
Chain Cylinder Cooldown -1 second
Mana -20
After
30% Activation Rate while on cooldown

Frozenblast
Now
Stamina +20
Will +20
After
Freezing Success Rate greatly increased
+150 Range
-30 Int
-30 Will

Thunder
Now
Mana +40
Int +30
Dex +20
HP -20
Str -20
After
+150 Radius
+5% Lightning Damage
+40 Mana
-20 HP
-20 Str

Hail Storm
Now
Luck +15
Int +20
MP +20
After
Penetrates 30 Magic Defense and 12 Magic Protection
+100 Range
-30 Str
-30 Dex
Slayerj wrote on 2015-01-18 18:18

Quote from koishi-sempai;1261829:
The issue isn't population, the issue is that Gargash is [SIZE="2"]absolute great content we can't just OHKO[/SIZE] with [SIZE="2"]absolute fucking mega trash rewards[/SIZE]

Fixed that for you. >.>

I will admit though, his Holy Contagion not having any way to block or get rid of besides like 1 or 2 AoE pets (or something like that) IS kind of bull shit. Other than that, you need team work and to rank at least 1 of 3 story skills that you can use outside the raid, that aren't too heavy on the AP (considering we get free rebirths and ap tickets and shit).

The only reason people hate him early on is 'cus everyone just wants to ONLY wm spam and not even try and get the skills off. Meanwhile if you do get high ranked skills off after a few 'training missions' with friends/guild-mates in easy mode, about 3-5 swords can just break his HP THEN wm spam him to death in a fraction of the time.

That being said, even then, the reward for completing any mode of this boss is just not worth it. The exp is really low for all the work. If they amped up the exp and gave it MAYBE a bit of crusader exp, then people would love it. I mean, I killed an ancient black grizzly in a few seconds and got like 21k exp...meanwhile you could take 15 minutes or so and kill easy mode Girgashiy and get 20k exp... >.>

Something more along the lines of..

Beginner: 100 crusader exp, 10k gold, 100k exp
Normal: 2250 crusader exp, 23k gold, 240k exp
Hard: 350 crusader exp, 36k gold, 500k exp
(whatever that new final mode is named in KR): 500 crusader exp, 50k gold, 875k exp

Upon winning, all of the drops that belong to you will go into your inventory, or drop at your feet if you do not have the room required.

Shield of trust now heals Holy Contagion and makes you immune to it for 10 seconds.
Celestial Spike's DoT is now effected by your magic attack. (Idk the formula, something that would make this skill better but not OP)

Sinful Thorns and Weighed Conscience now changed to give you move training experience with the more mobs you hit with their effects. They also add their effects to the initial mob hit.

There, I think that helps a bit. I mean, you could still most likely get more exp via a few shadow missions that people can do in under a fucking minute, but it's there.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-18 19:16

Quote from Kaeporo;1261813:
Archery

Nothing for Elven Magic Missile?

-Load time 2 sec -> 0.
-Cooldown time 10 sec -> 5.
-Either buff wands or just disallow them to be used with this. The damage they do is ridiculously frail.

Quote from Kapra;1261817:
Whut.

Edit: Thought I'd explain why Counter Punch is useful. Counterattack knocks enemies back, making following up with fighter pretty annoying in any way but Charging Strike if it is off cooldown. Counter Punch lets you follow up with another attack. Fighter skills, blaze, smash.

If you ask me, Counter Punch and Tumble should be available to more weapons. (Not all of them but more.) They are not useless, Respite is the useless one.

And hey, it's one of the few skills in the game that makes you actually time shit and not diving in bombs away. Unless you want reduced damage, no Chain 2, or possible Heavy Stander activation.

Player: *Uses Counter Punch*
Enemy: *Runs to Counter Punch user, then suddenly stops or circles around until Counter Punch weakens* Trololololol

Also incredibly vulnerable to Heavy Stander unlike the other Chains.

Counterattack knockdown is fine (if it didn't cause i-frames) cause Assault Slash.
Tropa wrote on 2015-01-18 19:46

[SIZE="3"]Game Mechanic: Cylinder Engineering[/SIZE]

I find the the current cylinders are plain, boring, and sometimes hinder one more then they help, so I theorycrafted a way of making your own, personalized cylinder, depending on your preference and such..

The cylinders would mainly be crafted via Engineering:
- Cylinder Barrel
- Leather Arm Strap
- Elemental Fittings(2~4)
- Hexagonal Nut/Bolts

Cylinder Barrels
The base of the cylinder, depending on what material you make it out of will effect the outcome's Durability, Repair cost and the number of fittings allowed. These are crafted via Blacksmithing.
[SPOILER="Barrel Stats"]Copper
+8 Durability
2,400 Repair Fee
Fitting Limit: 1

Iron
+10 Durability
3,600 Repair Fee
Fitting Limit: 2

Mythril
+12 Durability
4,800 Repair Fee
Fitting Limit: 3

Hillwen
+14 Durability
6,500 Repair Fee
Fitting Limit: 3

Hillwen Alloy
+16 Durability
10,200 Repair Fee
Fitting Limit: 4[/SPOILER]

Cylinder Arm Strap
The strap that connects the cylinder to the user's arm, the quality of the leather will have a influence of the Cylinder's Durability. These are made though Tailoring.
[SPOILER="Arm Strap Stats"]Cheap Leather Arm Strap
+0 Durability

Common Leather Arm Strap
+1 Durability

Fine Leather Arm Strap
+2 Durability
+3% Repair Cost

Finest Leather Arm Strap
+3 Durability
+5% Repair Cost[/SPOILER]

Elemental Fittings
The part of the cylinder that determines the power of the cylinder, depending on what fittings you use will effect the cylinder's modifier, these are found in Shadow Missions, the higher tier the mission, the greater the potential modifier of the fitting. The fittings installed on the Cylinder will also determine the upgrades it'll be able to obtain.
- Fittings that contain a modifier of 7%~10% can only be obtained through Lord missions, Abyss dungeons and Hardmode Aposel Raids.
[SPOILER="Elemental Fitting Stats"]
Water Elemental Fitting
+1%~10% Water Modifier
- Grants access of Water related Cylinder upgrades.

Fire Elemental Fitting
+1%~10% Fire Modifier
- Grants access of Fire related Cylinder upgrades.

Wind Elemental Fitting
+1%~10% Wind Modifier
- Grants access of Wind related Cylinder upgrades.

Clay Elemental Fitting
+1%~10% Clay Modifier
- Grants access of Clay related Cylinder upgrades.

Compound Elemental Fitting
+0%~5% Water Modifier
+0%~5% Fire Modifier
+0%~5% Wind Modifier
+0%~5% Clay Modifier
- Compound fittings will not effect upgrades.
- Compound Fittings can also be obtained through Synthesis, by synthesizing 3 random Fittings, results are completely random.
[/SPOILER]

[SPOILER="Example 1"]
Used
Hillwen Alloy Barrel
Finest Leather Strap
Water Fitting(10%) x4

Result
Damage: ~
Ingery Rate: ~
Crit: ~
Balance: ~
Durability: 19
+40% Water Cylinder Modifier
+0% Fire Cylinder Modifier
+0% Wind Cylinder Modifier
+0% Clay Cylinder Modifier
[/SPOILER]
[SPOILER="Example 2"]
Used
Hillwen Alloy Barrel
Finest Leather Strap
Fire Fitting(10%) x2
Clay Fitting(10%) x2
Result
Damage: ~
Ingery Rate: ~
Crit: ~
Balance: ~
Durability: 19
+0% Water Cylinder Modifier
+20% Fire Cylinder Modifier
+0% Wind Cylinder Modifier
+20% Clay Cylinder Modifier
[/SPOILER]
Zeo wrote on 2015-01-18 20:56

Quote from Tropa;1261830:
Pretty much this.

Once I got my Gospel cylinder, I just lost all interest of running it/ranking the skills.

Master Title Tweaks

Chain Cylinder
Now
Stamina +40
Chain Cylinder Cooldown -1 second
Mana -20
After
30% Activation Rate while on cooldown

Frozenblast
Now
Stamina +20
Will +20
After
Freezing Success Rate greatly increased
+150 Range
-30 Int
-30 Will

Thunder
Now
Mana +40
Int +30
Dex +20
HP -20
Str -20
After
+150 Radius
+5% Lightning Damage
+40 Mana
-20 HP
-20 Str

Hail Storm
Now
Luck +15
Int +20
MP +20
After
Penetrates 30 Magic Defense and 12 Magic Protection
+100 Range
-30 Str
-30 Dex

Now that I would actually wear Hail Storm master for.

So many master titles are a trash nowadays, and the event or gachapon titles we get are better than them... it's sad.
Tropa wrote on 2015-01-18 21:00

Quote from Zeo;1261845:
event or gachapon titles we get are better than them... it's sad.

Those are secondary titles though.

I'd like to see some in-game ways of getting secondary titles that's not tied to events.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-18 22:18

I kinda want Master Titles to act like a "rank" above 1, that is they offer permanent effects. Makes them more useful to get. Of course the whole title thing would need a massive rework.
-Master Titles no longer contribute to stats. Kind of an unnecessary additional influx.
-Re-ranking retains all training counts than resetting them entirely. It's just silly to see all that progress go away, mastered or not.

Healing Mastery:
- +15% Healing effects
- -20% MP Cost
- +10% Wound Healed based on healing amount
-Master Title:
-- +10% Healing effects (+25% total)
-- +5% Wound Healing (+15% total)
-Party Healing Master Title now only applies itself.
-Healing Master Title now has the same effects as Party Healing's, but only applies to Healing.
Kapra wrote on 2015-01-18 22:57
I don't want anything to be removed from existing titles. If add additional handicaps or add additional benefits, don't remove the existing +/- stats.
- Elven Magic Missile
  - Wands now do the same amount of damage as Bows, Crossbows, and Shurikens do.
  - Dual Guns, Cylinders, Guard Cylinders, and Staves can now use Elven Magic Missile. (All Magic and Ranged damage weapons.)
  - Swords, Axes, Blunt Weapons, Knuckles, and Control Bars cannot. (Unless they have like, a Guard Cylinder or are Shyllien Knuckles.)
- Giant Full Swing
  - Giant Full Swing may only be used by Melee damage weapons. The exceptions are shurikens and wands/staves that are considered Combat Wands (meaning they can use Blaze for full effect).
Additional rebalancing will need to be made to those skills to make them useful.
Zeo wrote on 2015-01-18 23:04
Quote from Kapra;1261862:
I don't want anything to be removed from existing titles. If add additional handicaps or add additional benefits, don't remove the existing +/- stats.
- Elven Magic Missile
  - Wands now do the same amount of damage as Bows, Crossbows, and Shurikens do.
  - Dual Guns, Cylinders, Guard Cylinders, and Staves can now use Elven Magic Missile. (All Magic and Ranged damage weapons.)
  - Swords, Axes, Blunt Weapons, Knuckles, and Control Bars cannot. (Unless they have like, a Guard Cylinder or are Shyllien Knuckles.)
- Giant Full Swing
  - Giant Full Swing may only be used by Melee damage weapons. The exceptions are shurikens and wands/staves that are considered Combat Wands (meaning they can use Blaze for full effect).
Additional rebalancing will need to be made to those skills to make them useful.
I support. It doesn't make sense for wands to do crap damage with Elven Magic Missile... if anything, shouldn't wands be stronger instead of bow in first place lol? But Now if they changed that to do equal damage, then I'd support it.

Just need to add magic coefficient onto the Magic Missile as well.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-18 23:09

Why is EMM crap with wands in the first place? e-e
Zeo wrote on 2015-01-18 23:12

I want to add something to Elven Magic Missile.

Depending on the elemental respective of the wand, the Elven Magic Missile will change.

If you use fire-related wand, you'll always use the fire one for Elven Magic Missile.
If you use ice-related wand, you'll always use ice one for Elven Magic Missile.
And so on...

If you use a staff, healing wand, bow and so on... then the element will be random.
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-18 23:28

Quote from Darkboy132;1261837:
Nothing for Elven Magic Missile?

Check again. Magic Missile is on there.

I suspect that they'll treat it the exact same way as Full Swing and simply reduce the cooldown to 5 seconds.

---

Honestly, i'm pretty disappointed in every single person in Mabinogi. We have a huge number of skills at our disposal but I rarely see people use anything other than a select few cookie-cutter skills. Doppelganger is an awesome skill (even at lower ranks) and I never see people use that in combat. Head to KR Mabinogi and everyone uses that shit.

Final Hit? Nope. We don't use that here, not even as an alternative to Charge. Tumble? Triggered. Shockwave? Nope, never.

What about the other racial abilities? I understand that Mirage Missile isn't great but I haven't seen anyone use Mirage Missile, Magic Missile, or Final Shot in like fucking years. The same goes for Giant abilities to include Full Swing, which was once the top dog in Mabinogi.

People bitch and whine about skills being "bad" but never find ways to utilize them. If you start experimenting, you'll discover that a lot of these skills are more useful than you think. If you keep bitching and demand that everything gets stronger and stronger, DevCat is going to be forced to release more content like Girgashiy (and his % hp attacks) just to keep up.

So, there's really no reason for them to open Magic Missile up to wands/staves. If you're not gonna use the skill now, you're not gonna use the skill then.

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