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Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-18 09:33

Alright. I'm going to try to predict the changes which DevCat will make to the archery talent.

Giants can now access the archery talent; accessible skills have numerous drawbacks.

Skills that fall under the archer talent are moved under a new "archery" tab.

New Archery Skills:

Semi-Passive: Focus
- Increases accuracy/movement speed while active
- Requires ranged weapon

Active: Explosive Shot/Spread Shot/Arrow Rain

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Existing Archery Skills:

Ranged Attack (Elf):

Aim Speed is increased to 300%.
Now deals 150% damage per arrow.

Magnum Shot:

Max Aim Duration reduced to 5 seconds.
Magnum Shot now has a chance to debuff the enemy based on the player's race (40% Human, 60% Elf)

Bows inflict bleeding damage
Crossbows decrease the opponent's defense and protection

Spider Shot:
No longer requires spider traps.
Critical damage raised to 50%.
Target is no longer broken out of the trap by attacks.

Crash Shot:
Cooldown reduced to 3 seconds.

Arrow Revolver:
Damage further raised to 125% > 150% > 175% > 200% > 250% (900%)

Mirage Missile:
Initial damage raised to 400%
Shock damage increased by magic attack with a 5.0 coefficient
Skill slows infected targets by 40%

Final Shot:
Load Time removed.
Skill is not cancelled if knocked back or down.
Increases damage of archery skills by 200% or some silly shit.

Magic Missile:
Cooldown reduced to 5 seconds.

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New Weapons:

Bows:
Celtic Compound Bow
Celtic Royal Compound Bow

Crossbows:
Celtic Repeater
Celtic Royal Repeater

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New Enchants:

5~8 new enchants for ranged weapons

Arrow Revolver pages no longer expire.
The seal merchant now sells Arrow Revolver pages.
Zeo wrote on 2015-01-18 09:52

Quote from Kaeporo;1261789:
[SPOILER="snip"]Alright. I'm going to try to predict the changes which DevCat will make to the archery talent.

Giants can now access the archery talent; accessible skills have numerous drawbacks.

Skills that fall under the archer talent are moved under a new "archery" tab.

New Archery Skills:

Semi-Passive: Focus
- Increases accuracy/movement speed while active
- Requires ranged weapon

Active: Explosive Shot/Spread Shot/Arrow Rain

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Existing Archery Skills:

Ranged Attack (Elf):

Aim Speed is increased to 300%.
Now deals 150% damage per arrow.

Magnum Shot:

Max Aim Duration reduced to 5 seconds.
Magnum Shot now has a chance to debuff the enemy based on the player's race (40% Human, 60% Elf)

Bows inflict bleeding damage
Crossbows decrease the opponent's defense and protection

Spider Shot:
No longer requires spider traps.
Critical damage raised to 50%.
Target is no longer broken out of the trap by attacks.

Crash Shot:
Cooldown reduced to 3 seconds.

Arrow Revolver:
Damage further raised to 125% > 150% > 175% > 200% > 250% (900%)

Mirage Missile:
Initial damage raised to 400%
Shock damage increased by magic attack with a 5.0 coefficient
Skill slows infected targets by 40%

Final Shot:
Load Time removed.
Skill is not cancelled if knocked back or down.
Increases damage of archery skills by 200% or some silly shit.

Magic Missile:
Cooldown reduced to 5 seconds.

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New Weapons:

Bows:
Celtic Compound Bow
Celtic Royal Compound Bow

Crossbows:
Celtic Repeater
Celtic Royal Repeater

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New Enchants:

5~8 new enchants for ranged weapons

Arrow Revolver pages no longer expire.
The seal merchant now sells Arrow Revolver pages[/SPOILER].

I support... although... I think elves should be able to learn arrow revolver still.
DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-01-18 10:06

Quote from Zeo;1261792:
I support... although... I think elves should be able to learn arrow revolver still.

And shoot 10 arrows from one AR charge

Nexon balancing-
Zekkii wrote on 2015-01-18 10:17

We'd start seeing magnums that do as much as or more than 25891% of a person's original base damage with magnum shot (+200%). With 800 base, that gives 207,180 damage per magnum shot and with 240% aim speed you can refire quickly and accurately.

[spoiler=Variables]
Magnum Reforge + Base = 700%
Final Shot @ 3x = 2100%
Battlefield overture @ 50% = 3150%
Elemental reforge @ 4/4 = 5229%
Bohemian = 6013%
Bone Chip/Power Potion = 7219%
Critical = 22513%
Bhafel Huntress = 25,891%
[/spoiler]

Then you could kill BD with 50 crit magnums!
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-18 10:23

I feel like DevCat will overshoot some specific aspect of the renewal. I don't expect any particularly heavy changes across the board.

I don't believe DevCat will change anything about Support Shot. Actually, it would be really fucking sweet if DevCat expanded on handicraft/ammunition without making it overpowered or too much of a pain in the ass. Am I missing anything obvious?
Aubog007 wrote on 2015-01-18 10:29

Quote from Kaeporo;1261798:
I feel like DevCat will overshoot some specific aspect of the renewal. I don't expect any particularly heavy changes across the board.

I don't believe DevCat will change anything about Support Shot. Actually, it would be really fucking sweet if DevCat expanded on handicraft/ammunition without making it overpowered or too much of a pain in the ass. Am I missing anything obvious?

Rework of crash shot. Can't wait to see what monstrosity they turn it into
Zekkii wrote on 2015-01-18 10:33

Quote from Kaeporo;1261798:
I feel like DevCat will overshoot some specific aspect of the renewal. I don't expect any particularly heavy changes across the board.

I don't believe DevCat will change anything about Support Shot. Actually, it would be really fucking sweet if DevCat expanded on handicraft/ammunition without making it overpowered or too much of a pain in the ass. Am I missing anything obvious?

Personally I think human ranged attack could use some work, I can't think of any reason you'd use it. Aside from that there's evasion, although not really archery.
Fracture wrote on 2015-01-18 10:34

Quote from Kaeporo;1261798:
I feel like DevCat will overshoot some specific aspect of the renewal. I don't expect any particularly heavy changes across the board.

I don't believe DevCat will change anything about Support Shot. Actually, it would be really fucking sweet if DevCat expanded on handicraft/ammunition without making it overpowered or too much of a pain in the ass. Am I missing anything obvious?

Probably more specialization between crossbows and bows. Not sure what it would be, but I don't doubt it's coming. Oh, and maybe reduced dura use or no dura use during Final Shot (and maybe hopefully AR??)
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-18 10:37

Quote from Fracture;1261806:
Probably more specialization between crossbows and bows. Not sure what it would be, but I don't doubt it's coming. Oh, and maybe reduced dura use or no dura use during Final Shot (and maybe hopefully AR??)

A handful of skills really need to consume less durability (looking at you, water cannon/flame burst).

I've seen a lot of support for crossbows in KR lately. This should prove interesting.
Kapra wrote on 2015-01-18 11:00

Quote from Kaeporo;1261789:
Spider Shot:
No longer requires spider traps.
Critical damage raised to 50%.
Target is no longer broken out of the trap by attacks.

As much as this sounds good, Spider Shot coming from Tracker won't make as much sense if Spider Shot has nothing to do with Carpentry talent anymore. (Though I don't think this should've been the way to get any of the hidden skills in the first place. Stop being lazy and make goddam skill quests DevKitty.)

Quote from DefinitelyNotTwin;1261795:
And shoot 10 arrows from one AR charge

Nexon balancing-

You joke but once upon a time in G5 test server, Elves did have Arrow Revolver and did shoot twice as many arrows as humans. . .
DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-01-18 11:06

Quote from Kapra;1261811:
As much as this sounds good, Spider Shot coming from Tracker won't make as much sense if Spider Shot has nothing to do with Carpentry talent anymore. (Though I don't think this should've been the way to get any of the hidden skills in the first place. Stop being lazy and make goddam skill quests DevKitty.)

You joke but once upon a time in G5 test server, Elves did have Arrow Revolver and did shoot twice as many arrows as humans. . .

I was being serious that time, hence

Nexon balancing-
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-18 11:08

Quote from Kapra;1261811:
As much as this sounds good, Spider Shot coming from Tracker won't make as much sense if Spider Shot has nothing to do with Carpentry talent anymore. (Though I don't think this should've been the way to get any of the hidden skills in the first place. Stop being lazy and make goddam skill quests DevKitty.)

You joke but once upon a time in G5 test server, Elves did have Arrow Revolver and did shoot twice as many arrows as humans. . .

On that note, watch as they finally release Chain Gun.

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They should just scrap the hidden skills tab. That concept was poorly executed. Throw the hidden skills under existing talents.

Berserk - Close Combat
Chain: Counter Punch - Martial Arts (no shit, what kind of hybrid is this?)
Doppelganger - Close Combat
Shockwave - Magic (as if this has anything to do with Holy Arts)
Spider Shot - Archery
Study: Potion Lore ("Study:" - A shining example of their lack of vision, an abandoned talent prefix)
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-18 11:29

Quote from Kaeporo;1261813:
Chain: Counter Punch - Martial Arts (no shit, what kind of hybrid is this?)
Study: Potion Lore ("Study:" - A shining example of their lack of vision, an abandoned talent prefix)

I'd rather they scrap Counter Punch. It's useless and there's no need for yet another counterattack when knuckles already modify the common one. Also Potion Lore under either Life or Alchemy, idunno.

-Wouldn't Hail Storm benefit more from the movement speed reduction from Icebolt? There's not really much of a way HS can defend against multi-aggro (fuck aoe pets).
-Support Shot damage amplify applies to all sources.
-Final Shot allows 100% aiming regardless of the target's movements.
Kapra wrote on 2015-01-18 11:31

Quote from Kaeporo;1261813:
They should just scrap the hidden skills tab. That concept was poorly executed. Throw the hidden skills under existing talents.

Berserk - Close Combat
Chain: Counter Punch - Martial Arts (no shit, what kind of hybrid is this?)
Doppelganger - Close Combat
Shockwave - Magic (as if this has anything to do with Holy Arts)
Spider Shot - Archery
Study: Potion Lore ("Study:" - A shining example of their lack of vision, an abandoned talent prefix)

Not to mention that when Fighter initially came out NA decided to drop the Chain prefix thing, but didn't drop it for Counter Punch when hidden skills came out. . .

I agree, Hidden tab should just be removed and the skills should just go into the other skill tabs. And hopefully each get some actual skill quests instead of just get x talent to x level.

Quote from Darkboy132;1261816:
I'd rather they scrap Counter Punch. It's useless and there's no need for yet another counterattack when knuckles already modify the common one.

Whut.

Edit: Thought I'd explain why Counter Punch is useful. Counterattack knocks enemies back, making following up with fighter pretty annoying in any way but Charging Strike if it is off cooldown. Counter Punch lets you follow up with another attack. Fighter skills, blaze, smash.

If you ask me, Counter Punch and Tumble should be available to more weapons. (Not all of them but more.) They are not useless, Respite is the useless one.

And hey, it's one of the few skills in the game that makes you actually time shit and not diving in bombs away. Unless you want reduced damage, no Chain 2, or possible Heavy Stander activation.
Zeo wrote on 2015-01-18 11:33

Quote from Kaeporo;1261813:
They should just scrap the hidden skills tab. That concept was poorly executed. Throw the hidden skills under existing talents.

Berserk - Close Combat
Chain: Counter Punch - Martial Arts (no shit, what kind of hybrid is this?)
Doppelganger - Close Combat
Shockwave - Magic (as if this has anything to do with Holy Arts)
Spider Shot - Archery
Study: Potion Lore ("Study:" - A shining example of their lack of vision, an abandoned talent prefix)

That I actually agree with.. Or at least.. release more skills for Hidden tab. They basically released 6 skills for Hidden, and left it at there for the Hidden tab to collect dust forever.

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