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• koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-03-17 09:19
  how to fix talents forever:
  
  you only get the stats from your ACTIVE talent and any associated talents, non associated talent stats are halved
  
  Anyway the problem with Mabi is that DevCat isn't much better than most MMO devs, aka they're lazy and lack imagination but it could be worse; they could be Riot who actively and deliberately makes their game worse
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-03-17 09:26

  Quote from Kapra;1268049:

  I will never understand people like Tropa and Kaeporo, who make it sounds like people are 1 or 2 hitting all the monsters in Elite and Lord missions with NPC bought-tier weapons. That sounds really unrealistic to me. If you have to rely on items and other buffs to get to that level, then I don't see stats as the problem. No fence Kaeporo.

  
  
  None taken.
  
  It's better to shoot out a bunch of ideas in the hopes that one will stick than to bank it all on a single grandiose idea.
  
  A lot of elite missions be pretty easily tackled with bare-handed combat. Even the harder elite missions aren't very tough if you're properly prepared. You don't need reforges or awesome enchants, just a decent knowledge of game mechanics and a bunch of Rank 1 skills (which usually isn't particularly demanding).
  
  I mean, obviously we've still got some fairly tough content out there. The big issue is that none of the stuff that's really tough is worth taking on.
  
  DevCat has a ton of ways to threaten players. Unfortunately, we all know what they're going to do to combat stat inflation. They'll reskin existing monsters, give them advanced heavy stander, and possibly throw in an unavoidable health-based attack. Instead of nerfing stuff that's clearly ridiculous, they'll probably just make a key mob immune to it.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-17 09:31

  Quote from koishi-sempai;1268074:

  how to fix talents forever:
  
  you only get the stats from your ACTIVE talent and any associated talents, non associated talent stats are halved
  
  Anyway the problem with Mabi is that DevCat isn't much better than most MMO devs, aka they're lazy and lack imagination but it could be worse; they could be Riot who actively and deliberately makes their game worse

  
  
  I don't know about that.With the amount of stats we have, that probably would only help midgame a little =O
  
  I don't know about Riot either,it seems they've taken a lot of players I know away from Mabi =O I thinnnnk they make more money too? I honestly do wish Mabinogi put more creativity into their pvp balancing like Riot though. it isn't perfect, but things seem to function better than Mabinogi to a point where competitive games are a thing :(
• Zeo wrote on 2015-03-17 11:36

  Quote from koishi-sempai;1268074:

  how to fix talents forever:
  
  you only get the stats from your ACTIVE talent and any associated talents, non associated talent stats are halved

  
  
  Just no, this is nearly as bad as the original G13 class system that C4 director tried to throw in at first.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-03-17 12:20

  Quote from Zeo;1268082:

  Just no, this is nearly as bad as the original G13 class system that C4 director tried to throw in at first.

  
  
  Not even close.
  
  The original destiny system pretty much butchered the class freedom in Mabinogi. Skill limitations are a really bad idea but i'm partial to stat limitations. At this point I would greatly prefer for everyone to have access to all skills (with current race exclusive versions of skills) and nearly all equipment (including racials) with certain races having stat/damage bonuses.
  
  I mean, would you would rather have people miss out on skills than damage?
  
  Giant
  2 Strength = 1 melee max
  4 Dexterity = 1 archery max
  6 Intelligence = 1 magic attack
  2.5 Will = 1 knuckle max
  
  Human
  2.5 Strength = 1 melee max
  2.5 Dexterity = 1 archery max
  5 Intelligence = 1 magic attack
  3 Will = 1 knuckle max
  
  Elf
  4 Strength = 1 melee max
  2 Dexterity = 1 archery max
  4 Intelligence = 1 magic attack
  3.5 Will = 1 knuckle max
  
  Dual stat talents would be the same.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-03-17 13:17

  Quote from Kapra;1268049:

  I don't really see stat inflation as a problem. Well I mean it could be a problem but I don't see the state of stats right now as inflated yet. That being said, I'm not for Zeo's GM idea. Nor do I want the frame of Hero talents to ever change (no it's not the same as a silver frame).
  

  [Image: http://ft.trillian.im/d8946682d6c7da7bef24121282783a3ada1b2a88/6x5qEI2fAJtf7oS6C9P6EQHBNFGvg.jpg]

  
  But I do think the GM frame should be available to hidden talents only if 1 of the talents involved in the title is GM and the others are all Master. (So if you have GM Lance, and Master Close Combat and Fighter, then you'd have GM Striker instead of Master Striker.)

  
  
  Oooh. I see the difference between aces title now. I guess I can scratch the idea of fancy frame for aces now. As for the idea of GM... I've never liked the restriction of having only one grandmaster talent, because it broke one thing what made Mabinogi special. Like I said, I'd rather see GM being removed entirely, or make it so you can get a GM for all talents.
  
  

  Quote from Kaeporo;1268084:

  Not even close.
  
  The original destiny system pretty much butchered the class freedom in Mabinogi. Skill limitations are a really bad idea but i'm partial to stat limitations. At this point I would greatly prefer for everyone to have access to all skills (with current race exclusive versions of skills) and nearly all equipment (including racials) with certain races having stat/damage bonuses.
  
  I mean, would you would rather have people miss out on skills than damage?
  
  Giant
  2 Strength = 1 melee max
  5 Dexterity = 1 archery max
  6 Intelligence = 1 magic attack
  2.5 Will = 1 knuckle max
  
  Human
  2.5 Strength = 1 melee max
  2.5 Dexterity = 1 archery max
  5 Intelligence = 1 magic attack
  3 Will = 1 knuckle max
  
  Elf
  5 Strength = 1 melee max
  2 Dexterity = 1 archery max
  4 Intelligence = 1 magic attack
  3.5 Will = 1 knuckle max
  
  Dual stat talents would be the same.

  
  
  I like the stat changes for the races you mentioned... But 5 str for the elves and 5 dex for the Giants seem bit harsh, I'd just make it 4 instead of 5.
  
  Other than that... I also support all skills being available for any races, it should be how it is in first place, and we'd have less people complaining too.
  
  As for the stats being butchered by half for the not active talents, that's still quite bad.
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-03-17 16:30
  I'd be down as long we had race change cards and unrestricted marriage. AP from race exclusive skills gets refunded and the skills are autolearned (FH and AR into FS and MM)
• Slayerj wrote on 2015-03-17 16:39

  Quote from DefinitelyNotTwin;1268063:

  [video=youtube;TBUhLqTrGIY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUhLqTrGIY[/video]
  
  Well..at least there's still teamwork? lolol
  

  
  
  For some reason this vid just makes me feel like lances need a rework/nerf. I wounder why. [SPOILER="."]Maybe because these things have high dmg and ways to ignore def/prot to increase their dmg even more to make them the best melee weapon for raw dmg 95% of the time, crushing almost everything in a few hits.[/SPOILER] Other than that, that was great teamwork lol
  
  I'd rather talents add 0 stats and just give a boost to skill %s/dmg while using that talent, and a reduced effect while not in that talent. You're not currently focusing on that sort of skill atm, but you sure as hell didn't forget about it. GM titles would just be for showing off really, for all combat stuff at least. As for crafting GM stuff, that'd still give you a further buff.
  
  Master Warrior: (Brackets are the effect while using another talent instead of it)
  Defense: +5(2) basic defense. +10(4) defense and +20(8) protection on a successful defense use.
  Counter: 75%(20%) more of your dmg is used 100%(45%) more of the enemies dmg is used.
  Smash: 80%(25%) more dmg (with any melee weapon besides a lance)
  WM: 25%(10%) more dmg (with any melee weapon besides a lance)
  
  And for Knight, which uses many of Warriors skills...
  
  Master Knight:
  Smash: 90%(25%) more dmg (when using a lance only. Does not stack with warrior)
  WM: 30%(10%) more dmg (when using a lance only. Does not stack with warrior)
  
  I don't have the time atm to go through and do this for every talent/skill but maybe later if I remember.
  
  
  
  A new Apostle to fight. A giant lion like beast that spends most of the fight running around a large area. It's headed for Tara (or some other town with a few large maps around it. Idk, should have thought this part of it out more, oh well.), but starts off farther/closer depending on the difficulty. After a while of running around it will make a mad dash for the next map. This raid allows you to use barrier spikes and recommends them. While the beast is running around full speed, it'll simply crush any spikes in it's path without slowing down (still taking a 1 from any reflected dmg)
  
  Upon entering, any squad leaders will be given a marker they can place down. If the Apostle runs through it, it will appear on everyone's mini map no mater how far away from it they are.
  
  You can use the shield to stand in it's path and slow it down/stop it with high enough ranks/enough people.
  
  High ranks of Spikes on Easy and normal mode from a single person is enough to slow it down for a long time after the shield has been used but not stop it/keep it stopped. Hard and very hard require at least 2-3 people.
  
  While slowed or stopped, it's much easier to hit and takes more dmg. Attempting to hit it while it's moving at full speed will always result in a 0 or a miss from ranged attacks.
  
  While slow you won't miss but will deal heavily reduced dmg. While it is stopped you will deal 75%-40% of your normal dmg, depending on the mode, with a well ranked judgment blade filling in the rest of that gap.
  
  There is no solo version of this.
  
  Besides running around and swiping at you with it's paws (10%-45% dmg depending on mode) and roaring at you to knock you down (1%-5% dmg depending on mode), it has a special attack it uses at full speed running where if you're in it's way without the shield up, it will grab you in it's maw for 25%-75% of your hp (depending on the mode) and fling you a good distance away.
  
  
  Daily mission quests for it include...
  Stopping the beast with your shield x number of times.
  Slowing it down x number of times with any method.
  Being ran over by it.
  Being grabbed by it's special rush attack.
  Getting knocked on your butt from one of it's roars.
  Getting smacked in the face with it's paw.
  Taking less than 50% hp dmg.
  Hitting it with judgment blade x number of times.
  Beating it without using a potion.
  Beating it without the help of a pet.
  Beating it in general.
  Entering the mission with at least half a full party, and then beating it (does not require the same number of people for that last part. It just has to be the same run.)
  Entering the mission with a full party, then beating it (does not require a full party for the last part. It just has to be the same run.)
  Defeating it before it moves 2 maps total.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-03-17 16:48

  Quote from Slayerj;1268100:

  I'd rather talents add 0 stats and just give a boost to skill %s/dmg while using that talent, and a reduced effect while not in that talent. You're not currently focusing on that sort of skill atm, but you sure as hell didn't forget about it. GM titles would just be for showing off really, for all combat stuff at least. As for crafting GM stuff, that'd still give you a further buff.
  
  Master Warrior: (Brackets are the effect while using another talent instead of it)
  Defense: +5(2) basic defense. +10(4) defense and +20(8) protection on a successful defense use.
  Counter: 75%(20%) more of your dmg is used 100%(45%) more of the enemies dmg is used.
  Smash: 80%(25%) more dmg (with any melee weapon besides a lance)
  WM: 25%(10%) more dmg (with any melee weapon besides a lance)
  
  And for Knight, which uses many of Warriors skills...
  
  Master Knight:
  Smash: 90%(25%) more dmg (when using a lance only. Does not stack with warrior)
  WM: 30%(10%) more dmg (when using a lance only. Does not stack with warrior)
  
  I don't have the time atm to go through and do this for every talent/skill but maybe later if I remember.

  
  
  Only for active talent? No thanks, it'll make lot of players rage.
  
  If the multiplier and bonus from all talents apply onto you no matter what active talents you have, in exchange of no stats, I'd would up for it... But yeah, you said it'd only apply for that talent you're active in, so I'm against it.
• Slayerj wrote on 2015-03-17 17:06

  Quote from Zeo;1268103:

  Only for active talent? No thanks, it'll make lot of players rage.
  
  If the multiplier and bonus from all talents apply onto you no matter what active talents you have, in exchange of no stats, I'd would up for it... But yeah, you said it'd only apply for that talent you're active in, so I'm against it.

  
  
  Clearly you didn't read... The main brunt of the effect, what isn't in brackets, is what you get while in the talent. The part you keep no mater what talent you are in, the part in the brackets, is what you always have from that point on.
  
  This way there is a reason to be x talent after you've finished it, other than x stat growth that something else might be better for anyway.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-03-17 17:38

  Quote from Slayerj;1268106:

  Clearly you didn't read... The main brunt of the effect, what isn't in brackets, is what you get while in the talent. The part you keep no mater what talent you are in, the part in the brackets, is what you always have from that point on.
  
  This way there is a reason to be x talent after you've finished it, other than x stat growth that something else might be better for anyway.

  
  
  Ah? Reduced effect for not having that talent being active?
  
  Again, no, it'd still make some players upset... That'd wreck what was special about Mabinogi.
• Tropa wrote on 2015-03-17 18:29

  Quote from DefinitelyNotTwin;1268077:

  I don't know about Riot either,it seems they've taken a lot of players I know away from Mabi =O I thinnnnk they make more money too? I honestly do wish Mabinogi put more creativity into their pvp balancing like Riot though. it isn't perfect, but things seem to function better than Mabinogi to a point where competitive games are a thing :(

  
  
  I honestly think Riot is a better company compared to Nexon, It actually feels like they care about their players.
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-03-17 21:01

  Quote from Tropa;1268116:

  I honestly think Riot is a better company compared to Nexon, It actually feels like they care about their players.

  
  
  Riot's spent the last year or so ignoring vociferous opposition by the playerbase to everything and then being shocked when the playerbase is right and it blows up in their face because they acted like they knew better than everyone.
  
  The thing is that most game companies are shit, and the ones that aren't are the legacy companies - when's the last time you've been legitimately dissatisfied with a Nintendo game?
  
  Back on topic, slayer brings up a fair point - in terms of raw usage, lances and guns overcentralize the metagame by a mile...why is that? Even puppetry kind of falls by the wayside, and I see almost no endgame players using magic as a main skillset tdespite it's power.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-03-17 22:54

  Quote from Tropa;1268116:

  I honestly think Riot is a better company compared to Nexon, It actually feels like they care about their players.

  
  
  I feel like if Riot owned Mabinogi, this game would actually be 3x more balanced lool
• Tropa wrote on 2015-03-17 23:12

  Quote from DefinitelyNotTwin;1268138:

  I feel like if Riot owned Mabinogi, this game would actually be 3x more balanced lool

  
  
  And it'd be updated more then two times a year.