New weapon, skills, items, and tweaks you'd like to see!~

• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-09 18:57
  Icebolt:
  

  
  
  • Mana restore removed. This is completely unnecessary and redundant, given that every charge uses 10% less mana.
    
  • Speed reduction carried over to Fusion Bolt.
    

  
  
  Firebolt:
  

  
  
  • Load time increased to 2 sec.
    
  • Some nerf to its damage.
    

  
  
  Lightning Bolt:
  

  
  
  • "Conductivity" feature removed.
    
  • No longer weakens when hitting multiple enemies.
    
  • Max charge damage bonus is now equally divided across all bolts. So, Novice would be doing 2% per bolt and Dan 3 would be doing 6% per bolt.
    
  • Damage bonus now carried over to Fusion Bolt.
    

  
  
  Fireball/Thunder:
  

  
  
  • Load time reverted back to pre-Renovation, or increased to be a midway segment between pre- and post-. This one's debatable, but they shouldn't be as fucking fast as a bolt as they're significantly stronger than basic magic, plus there's already many ways to reduce their cast time (Int, wand/staff upgrades, some other things).
    

  
  
  Ice Spear:
  

  
  
  • High burst damage skills with long set-ups (e.g. Fireball, Meteor Strike, Hail Storm, Sakura Abyss, all Fighter skills, Heat Buster, and Judgment Blade) now ignore the 50% damage reduction.
    
  • Freeze time is now determined by number of charges: first charge is 1 second and increases by 0.5 per additional charge while the last one increases by 1 sec, for a total of 3.5 sec at 5 charges. The point here is to nerf Ice Spear's camping ability.
    

  
  
  Meteor Strike:
  

  
  
  • Cooldown reduced to 10~5 min.
    
  • Now ignores invincibility frames.
    
  • Now has a mark that shows everyone where the meteor will land.
    
  • Deals equal damage on all hitboxes.
    

  
  
  Shockwave:
  

  
  
  • Can now be used with any skill loaded without cancelling it. Seriously, what good is this skill as a mere self-defense measure when things like Windmill are much more resourceful? This also doesn't link reliably with magic at all.
    
  • No longer resets Staff elemental charges.
    

  
  
  Spellwalk:
  

  
  
  • Stamina use 10 per sec -> 2.5 per sec.
    
  • Now compatible with Magic Shields.
    

  
  
  Meditation:
  

  
  
  • Stamina regeneration 0% -> 25% if not equipped with a wand/staff, -> 50% if equipped with wand/staff.
    

  
  
  Mana:
  

  
  
  • Natural Mana Regeneration increased from 1point/20sec to 1point/10 sec.
    

  
  
  Sakura Abyss:
  

  
  
  • Damage and Radius reverted back to pre-KR buff; new charge generation per sec and max charge time can stay. This massive buff is stupidly dumb on Final Hit's level, though Sakura arguably took too long to set-up.
    
• Kapra wrote on 2015-05-09 22:18

  Quote from Darkboy132;1274306:

  Icebolt:
  

  
  
  • Mana restore removed. This is completely unnecessary and redundant, given that every charge uses 10% less mana.
    
  • Speed reduction carried over to Fusion Bolt.
    

  
  
  Lightning Bolt:
  

  
  
  • "Conductivity" feature removed.
    
  • No longer weakens when hitting multiple enemies.
    
  • Max charge damage bonus is now equally divided across all bolts. So, Novice would be doing 2% per bolt and Dan 3 would be doing 6% per bolt.
    
  • Damage bonus now carried over to Fusion Bolt.
    

  
  

  
  A few things. First of all, Fusion Bolt is already great as it is (too great if you ask me), we don't need to give it even more crap. Secondly, Icebolt doesn't need to lose even more than it already has been given. Icebolt shouldn't be a fusion bolt-only skill, Icebolt has no place in the game as its own right now, it has no self-defined identity. If anything, you should be adding more to Icebolt because Renovation didn't do enough to it. Lastly, why are you removing conductivity from lightning bolt? Don't say things like "Oh because nobody uses the feature" because that doesn't seem like a good reason.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1274306:

  Ice Spear:
  

  
  
  • High burst damage skills with long set-ups (e.g. Fireball, Meteor Strike, Hail Storm, Sakura Abyss, all Fighter skills, and Heat Buster) now ignore the 50% damage reduction.
    

  
  Why are all fighter skills on that list? If anything only Chain 3, if that, is what I'd include.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1274306:

  Meteor Strike:
  

  
  
  • Deals equal damage on all hitboxes.
    

  
  Why are you so fixated on the hitbox thing? That's a good way of keep skills balanced. If you think other skills are OP, then that's their problem, not this's problem.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1274306:

  Shockwave:
  

  
  
  • Can now be used with any skill loaded without cancelling it. Seriously, what good is this skill as a mere self-defense measure when things like Windmill are much more resourceful? This also doesn't link reliably with magic at all.
    
  • No longer resets Staff elemental charges.
    

  
  
  Spellwalk:
  

  
  
  • Stamina use 10 per sec -> 2.5 per sec.
    
  • Now compatible with Magic Shields.
    

  
  
  Meditation:
  

  
  
  • Stamina regeneration 0% -> 25% if not equipped with a wand/staff, -> 50% if equipped with wand/staff.
    

  
  YES PLEASE!
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-05-09 22:30
  I like most of those changes.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1274306:

  Shockwave:
  

  
  
  • Can now be used with any skill loaded without cancelling it. Seriously, what good is this skill as a mere self-defense measure when things like Windmill are much more resourceful? This also doesn't link reliably with magic at all.
    
  • No longer resets Staff elemental charges.
    

  
  
  Compared to Windmill, Shockwave covers 260% more area and is instantaneous. The damage caps out at around a piddling 9k for centered targets but it's more than enough to offset its strengths (fast/wide range knock-back). I'll once again source AOE pet summon skills as cause for concern, since they serve as a duplication of effort.
  
  That said, i'm not completely opposed.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1274306:

  Meteor Strike:
  

  
  
  • Cooldown reduced to 10~5 min.
    
  • Now ignores invincibility frames.
    
  • Deals equal damage on all hitboxes.
    

  
  
  This still doesn't address its highly variable damage. Meteor Strike rolls between 18500~32700 damage for a player with 550 magic attack before other modifiers. You at least have some control over which enemies you choose to center the impact on. Meteor Strike fails, not because it has a lengthy cool down, but because it can deal anywhere from 10,600~94,000 damage.
  
  Imagine if other skills had those same balance issues (e.g. Shooting Rush now deals either 400% damage or 200% damage, chosen at random).
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-09 22:41

  Quote from Kapra;1274333:

  Lastly, why are you removing conductivity from lightning bolt? Don't say things like "Oh because nobody uses the feature" because that doesn't seem like a good reason.

  
  
  Me: No one uses it, there's other better options besides it. [SIZE="1"][S](Also don't know how to make it more useful :3)[/S][/SIZE]
  
  

  [Image: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/171/527/objection-vector.png]

  
  
  Me: God dammit.
  
  Though, I wouldn't say delete 2-player Magic Fusion, but given Fusion Bolt I really can't see any way for it to be buffed.
  
  

  Why are all fighter skills on that list? If anything only Chain 3, if that, is what I'd include.

  
  
  Single player Mana Knuckles with Ice Spear and Fighter doesn't seem like a good combo, in my opinion. Though you do have a point about chain 3.
  
  

  Why are you so fixated on the hitbox thing? That's a good way of keep skills balanced. If you think other skills are OP, then that's their problem, not this's problem.

  
  
  Why the hell is a giant flaming sphere the size of a house falling at some thousand miles per hour accelerated by gravity and nuking part of Erinn all while taking an incredible amount of concentration and a truckton of mana to summon have weak portions throughout it, and overall a weakass move?
  
  

  Quote from Kaeporo;1274337:

  This still doesn't address its highly variable damage. Meteor Strike rolls between 18500~32700 damage for a player with 550 magic attack before other modifiers. You at least have some control over which enemies you choose to center the impact on. Meteor Strike fails, not because it has a lengthy cool down, but because it can deal anywhere from 10,600~94,000 damage.
  
  Imagine if other skills had those same balance issues (e.g. Shooting Rush now deals either 400% damage or 200% damage, chosen at random).

  
  
  Err... Uhh... So the real problem with Meteor's damage is that it's too unstable and widespread? *Doesn't know math*
• brokenmouse wrote on 2015-05-10 00:23

  Quote from Kaeporo;1274243:

  [SIZE="5"]Transformation overhaul:[/SIZE]
  
  [SIZE="4"]Champion[/SIZE]
  New active skill.
  
  Sword of Light
  Upon usage, Swords of Light will fly from the player and attack the surrounding area.
  
  Damage: 10~50%
  Blade Count: 5~10
  Range: 500~800
  Load Time: 0 seconds
  Duration: 6 seconds
  Cooldown: 15 seconds
  

  
  
  Really liking this idea. Reminds me of this:
  [video=youtube;obT2mhAJub4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obT2mhAJub4[/video]
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-05-10 02:42
  [SIZE="5"]Upgrade Overall:[/SIZE]
  Players can now upgrade headgear, gloves, gauntlets, footwear, greaves and accessories.
  Base movement speed is reduced for all races:
  
  Human: 90%
  Giant: 106%
  Elf: 122%
  
  Headgear: 0~1
  0~0 Balance +5%
  0~1 Defense +1, Durability +1
  1~1 Defense +2
  1~1 Durability +2
  
  Gloves: 0~1
  0~1 Durability +2
  0~1 Gathering Speed +5%
  1~1 Product Quality +1
  
  Gauntlets: 0~1
  0~0 Defense +2
  0~1 Durability +1
  1~1 Defense +3, Durability -1
  
  Footwear: 0~1
  0~1 Movement Speed: +5%
  0~1 Durability +2
  0~1 Will +5
  
  Greaves: 0~1
  0~0 Movement Speed: +5%
  0~0 Defense +5
  0~1 Protection +2
  
  Accessories: 0~2
  0~2 Durability +1
  0~2 Defense +2
  2~2 Artisan Upgrade: (only two of the following will occur)
  
  +0~8 Max Damage
  +0~15 Alchemic Damage
  +0~10 Magic Attack
• Kapra wrote on 2015-05-10 03:25

  Quote from Kaeporo;1274356:

  [SIZE="5"]Upgrade Overall:[/SIZE]
  Players can now upgrade headgear, gloves, gauntlets, footwear, greaves and accessories.
  Base movement speed is reduced for all races:
  
  Human: 90%
  Giant: 106%
  Elf: 122%
  
  Headgear: 0~1
  0~0 Balance +5%
  0~1 Defense +1, Durability +1
  1~1 Defense +2
  1~1 Durability +2
  
  Gloves: 0~1
  0~1 Durability +2
  0~1 Gathering Speed +5%
  1~1 Product Quality +1
  
  Gauntlets: 0~1
  0~0 Defense +2
  0~1 Durability +1
  1~1 Defense +3, Durability -1
  
  Footwear: 0~1
  0~1 Movement Speed: +5%
  0~1 Durability +2
  0~1 Will +5
  
  Greaves: 0~1
  0~0 Movement Speed: +5%
  0~0 Defense +5
  0~1 Protection +2
  
  Accessories: 0~2
  0~2 Durability +1
  0~2 Defense +2
  2~2 Artisan Upgrade: (only two of the following will occur)
  
  +0~8 Max Damage
  +0~15 Alchemic Damage
  +0~10 Magic Attack

  
  I'm fine with this idea, albeit a bit bland, but I don't understand why upgrading greaves or shoes would give speed (or why shoes would give will).
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-10 04:55

  Quote from Kaeporo;1274356:

  Footwear: 0~1
  0~1 Movement Speed: +5%

  
  
  15% Fleet Feet :blood:
• Twin wrote on 2015-05-10 07:11

  Quote from Kaeporo;1274356:

  [SIZE="5"]Upgrade Overall[/SIZE]
  

  I support ever bit of this!
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-10 19:26
  
  
  • Final Hit is now a traditional buff rather than a constantly loaded skill, allowing it to be used with other skills, on mounts, etc. I find it very inconvenient that Final Hit doesn't really have much of a way to defend themselves or quickly move on to the next area, unlike Final Shot or Way of the Gun.
    
    
    
    • Other skills do not benefit from Final Hit's damage buff.
      
    
    
  • Final Hit and Final Shot's stamina usage changed from a 10 flat to 10%, but no longer uses stamina over time.
    
  • Knuckle Counterattack stamina cost lowered 40 -> 20 or 15. The current amount is unreasonably too high for a skill with a very short cooldown (hell, NONE of the Fighter skills by themselves use 40 stamina) and doesn't exactly offer much in battle, and heavily discourages people from using it.
    
• Kapra wrote on 2015-05-10 19:41

  Quote from Darkboy132;1274405:

  
  
  • Knuckle Counterattack stamina cost lowered 40 -> 20 or 15. The current amount is unreasonably too high for a skill with a very short cooldown (hell, NONE of the Fighter skills by themselves use 40 stamina) and doesn't exactly offer much in battle, and heavily discourages people from using it.
    

  
  That's the point.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-10 20:09

  Quote from Kapra;1274408:

  That's the point.

  
  
  Pre-Genesis had much more reasonable stamina consumption (somewhere around 10 or so) and then it "glitched" post- or so claims Nexon.
  
  Rage Impact's 80 stamina is fair. It's a very huge boon to Close Combat while simultaneously having a fairly long cooldown, so it's steadily draining stamina over time. Meanwhile, Knuckle Counter drains a massive amount of stamina, far more than any other close combat skill other than RI.
  
  Knuckle Windmill is a fair penalty, but is still usable.
• Daniel1235 wrote on 2015-05-11 10:53

  Quote from Kaeporo;1274356:

  Human: 90%

  
  
  No. Just. No. Humans should stay at 100% speed. (I don't mind anything else though).
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1274405:

  
  
  • Knuckle Counterattack stamina cost lowered 40 -> 20 or 15. The current amount is unreasonably too high for a skill with a very short cooldown (hell, NONE of the Fighter skills by themselves use 40 stamina) and doesn't exactly offer much in battle, and heavily discourages people from using it.
    

  
  
  I second this.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-05-11 10:57
  [SIZE="5"]Tower Cylinder Improvement:[/SIZE]
  
  Alchemy Mastery
  Reduces the load time of Cylinder On-Off by 0~3 seconds depending on rank.
  
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  Players can now use Shock, Golden Time, and Elemental Wave with a Tower Cylinder.
  
  Tower Cylinders can now receive special upgrades.
  
  Tower Cylinder can now receive the following upgrades:
  
  0~0 Alchemic Damage +10
  0~1 Water Element Alchemy Skill's Damage +12
  0~1 Fire Element Alchemy Skill's Damage +8
  2~3 Wind Element Alchemy Skill's Damage +25
  2~3 Clay Alchemy Skill's Damage +5
  4~4 Alchemic Damage +20
  4~4 Alchemic Damage -10, Install time -1 second
  5~5 Durability +2
  5~5 Alchemic Damage +3
  
  [SIZE="5"]Instrument Special Upgrades:[/SIZE]
  
  Battlefield Overture
  Max Damage bonus reduced to +10% at Rank 1.
  
  ---
  
  The following instruments can now receive special upgrades:
  
  Demonic Gloomy Sunday
  Battle Mandolin
  Cello
  Violin
  Bass Drum
  Snare Drum
  Physis Tuba
  
  R-Type upgrades increase performance bonuses.
  
  R1: +1%
  R2: +2%
  R3: +4%
  R4: +6%
  R5: +8%
  R6: +10%
  
  S-Type upgrades increase music buff effect.
  
  S1: +3
  S2: +6
  S3: +9
  S4: +12
  S5: +15
  S6: +18
• Daniel1235 wrote on 2015-05-11 12:57

  Quote from Darkboy132;1274365:

  15% Fleet Feet :blood:

  
  
  Actually it's 20% since you can upgrade twice (0~0 and 1~1)
  
  

  Quote from Kaeporo;1274489:

  Step 1:
  
  Upgrade shoes. Congrats, you have 100% speed.

  
  
  Humans are painfully slow even at 100%... Don't make them even slower... would perfer to see 100%, 111% and 127% for human, giant and elf respectively.
  
  Side-note: I do keep forgetting sometimes that 0~0 refers to first upgrade only while in your thread it's 0~1 meaning it can be done twice. :whoops: