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Kapra wrote on 2015-05-11 20:00

Quote from Daniel1235;1274493:
Humans are painfully slow even at 100%... Don't make them even slower... would perfer to see 100%, 111% and 127% for human, giant and elf respectively.

If I can switch from an Elf to a Human, a reduction of over 30% speed, you can handle 10%. And only nerfing giants and elves and not humans doesn't sound fair at all. If I were to design a private server, I would make the base speed 80% for everyone, with it going up in stats.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-12 02:49
- Mana Evaporation is now a drawback for using Mana Recovery. I'm semi-serious about this.
- Getting hit under Mana Shield after Mana Recovery will immediately remove all mana. This one I am completely serious about.
Tropa wrote on 2015-05-12 02:53
Icebolt has it's base speed debuff removed.

Elemental Magic Skills now apply status effect to targets.
- Fusionbolt applied both of the element's debuffs

[SIZE="3"]Frost[/SIZE]
Reduces the running Speed of monsters inflicted with it.
[Magic Attack * 0.05] * Ice Mastery Bonus = Speed Debuff
[Int * 0.01] * Ice Mastery Bonus = Debuff Duration
- Icebolt
- Ice Spear
- Hail Storm
[SIZE="3"]Burn[/SIZE]
Damages enemies overtime.
- Ignores Magic Defense and Magic Protection.
[Magic Attack * 0.5] * Fire Mastery Bonus = Damage per 2sec
[Int * 0.01] * Fire Mastery Bonus = DoT Duration
- Firebolt
- Fireball
- Meteor Strike
[SIZE="3"]Static[/SIZE]
Reduces attacking speed and skill load time.
[Magic Attack * 0.05] * Lightning Mastery Bonus = Attacking Debuff
[Int * 0.01] * Lightning Mastery Bonus = Debuff Duration
- Lightningbolt
- Thunder
- Lightning Rod
- Shockwave
Kapra wrote on 2015-05-12 03:20
Quote from Darkboy132;1274606:
- Mana Evaporation is now a drawback for using Mana Recovery. I'm semi-serious about this.
- Getting hit under Mana Shield after Mana Recovery will immediately remove all mana. This one I am completely serious about.
Never until now have I ever thought you were trolling. Mana recovery is not that overpowered. I doubt most other people whom also think Mana Recovery is overpowered think what you suggested is called for. What exactly are you trying to balance here? Preventing Dual Gunners or Alchemists from regenerating Mana? That isn't as huge a threat as the side effect it creates. Adding Mana Evaporation only penalizes hybridization (which should be encouraged). Penalizing hybridization would just alienate magic even more than it already is. Getting hit under magic recovery and mana shield causing all your mana to be lost just discourages Mages from using Mana Shield, when it should be encouraged specifically for Mages. And as a self-claimed non-magic-user, you ignore the opinions of mages and insist on basing arguments on assumptions. Please just try to create informed argument if you must argue.
Quote from Tropa;1274607:
Icebolt has it's base speed debuff removed.

Elemental Magic Skills now apply status effect to targets.
- Fusionbolt applied both of the element's debuffs

[SIZE="3"]Frost[/SIZE]
Reduces the running Speed of monsters inflicted with it.
[Magic Attack * 0.05] * Ice Mastery Bonus = Speed Debuff
[Int * 0.01] * Ice Mastery Bonus = Debuff Duration
- Icebolt
- Ice Spear
- Hail Storm
[SIZE="3"]Burn[/SIZE]
Damages enemies overtime.
- Ignores Magic Defense and Magic Protection.
[Magic Attack * 0.5] * Fire Mastery Bonus = Damage per 2sec
[Int * 0.01] * Fire Mastery Bonus = DoT Duration
- Firebolt
- Fireball
- Meteor Strike
[SIZE="3"]Static[/SIZE]
Reduces attacking speed and skill load time.
[Magic Attack * 0.05] * Lightning Mastery Bonus = Attacking Debuff
[Int * 0.01] * Lightning Mastery Bonus = Debuff Duration
- Lightningbolt
- Thunder
- Lightning Rod
- Shockwave
Why would you give shockwave, a nonelemental magic, an effect like that but not Blaze, the only other nonelemental magic?
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-05-12 03:28
Quote from Tropa;1274607:
Icebolt has it's base speed debuff removed.

Elemental Magic Skills now apply status effect to targets.
- Fusionbolt applied both of the element's debuffs

[SIZE="3"]Frost[/SIZE]
Reduces the running Speed of monsters inflicted with it.
[Magic Attack * 0.05] * Ice Mastery Bonus = Speed Debuff
[Int * 0.01] * Ice Mastery Bonus = Debuff Duration
- Icebolt
- Ice Spear
- Hail Storm
[SIZE="3"]Burn[/SIZE]
Damages enemies overtime.
- Ignores Magic Defense and Magic Protection.
[Magic Attack * 0.5] * Fire Mastery Bonus = Damage per 2sec
[Int * 0.01] * Fire Mastery Bonus = DoT Duration
- Firebolt
- Fireball
- Meteor Strike
[SIZE="3"]Static[/SIZE]
Reduces attacking speed and skill load time.
[Magic Attack * 0.05] * Lightning Mastery Bonus = Attacking Debuff
[Int * 0.01] * Lightning Mastery Bonus = Debuff Duration
- Lightningbolt
- Thunder
- Lightning Rod
- Shockwave
This isn't a bad idea and it's nicely balanced but methinks they should address some of the issues with alchemy before adding new things to magic.

For starters, Frozen Blast should have a shorter animation and monsters that aren't successfully frozen should instead receive a movement speed penalty.
Tropa wrote on 2015-05-12 06:24

Quote from Kapra;1274616:
Why would you give shockwave, a nonelemental magic, an effect like that but not Blaze, the only other nonelemental magic?

It is Lightning elemental though, unless the wiki/game lied about it.

Quote from Kaeporo;1274618:
For starters, Frozen Blast should have a shorter animation and monsters that aren't successfully frozen should instead receive a movement speed penalty.

I agree, normal Frozenblast I rarely, if never used.

Same goes for Golem Summoning and Barrier Spikes.
Zekkii wrote on 2015-05-12 06:52
Quote from Darkboy132;1274606:
- Mana Evaporation is now a drawback for using Mana Recovery. I'm semi-serious about this.
- Getting hit under Mana Shield after Mana Recovery will immediately remove all mana. This one I am completely serious about.
Someone's salty. How about a nimbus revamp?

-Nimbus summoning now reduces HP by 10 per second similar to disarm, duration 1 minute
-Getting hit while in 'nimbus disarm' kills you instantly

Yes, I'm joking.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-12 07:11

Quote from Zekkii;1274636:
Someone's salty. How about a nimbus revamp?

-Nimbus summoning now reduces HP by 10 per second similar to disarm, duration 1 minute
-Getting hit while in 'nimbus disarm' kills you instantly Yes, I'm joking.

Oh yes, please kill me nimbus! Punish your master for abusing your power! +Rep.
Lukshad wrote on 2015-05-12 07:54

Quote from Zekkii;1274636:
Someone's salty. How about a nimbus revamp?

-Nimbus summoning now reduces HP by 10 per second similar to disarm, duration 1 minute
-Getting hit while in 'nimbus disarm' kills you instantly

Yes, I'm joking.

I love this ^ xD
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-05-12 09:48

Quote from Tropa;1274634:
It is Lightning elemental though, unless the wiki/game lied about it.

I agree, normal Frozenblast I rarely, if never used.

Same goes for Golem Summoning and Barrier Spikes.

I wouldn't want anything in Alchemy touched while it still references core stats.

[SIZE="6"]Alchemy Rennovation[/SIZE]

Health, mana, and stamina no longer influence alchemy skill damage.
Alchemy skill damage is now increased by the player's intelligence and willpower.

Alchemy Mastery

Reduces Cylinder On-Off load time.
Rank F: 5 seconds
Rank 9: 4 seconds
Rank 5: 3 seconds
Rank 1: 2 seconds

Clay/Fire/Wind/Water Alchemy

Rank 1 bonuses are as follows:

Element Efficiency +10%
Element Damage +20
Stamina Cost -20%

Barrier Spikes

Can now be deployed in all locations except near towns.
Barrier Spikes health is increased by the player's stats (Coefficient: 0.8)

Frozen Blast

All enemies can now be targeted.
Animation length reduced to 0.5 seconds from 2.5 seconds.

Enemies which aren't frozen by the skill suffer movement speed/protection/defense penalties.
Def/Prot reduction is equal to half the frozen debuff. Movement speed penalty is equal to -35%.

Water Cannon

Damage coefficient raised to 0.35

Flame Burst

Damage coefficient raised to 0.1

Heat Buster

Damage coefficient raised to 1.2

Sand Burst

Sand Burst critical hits now splash all targets in a 4m radius around the target.

Golden Time/Elemental Wave

Merged into the same skill.
Life Drain health absorption raised to +100%
Elemental Wave can now augment Barrier Spikes:

Summons a circular barrier around the player. Barrier's strength is equal to the following:

Barrier Spikes HP * Maximum Number of Walls * 0.3~0.45 (rank dependent)

Rain Casting

Casting duration reduced to 1+4 seconds.
No longer influences enemy aggro speed.
Base lightning damage is raised to 0~50. Damage is further influenced by stats and wind alchemy efficiency.
Damage coefficient is 0.2
Enables Water Cannon to splash enemies around the target. Splash radius is 300. Splash damage is 50%.
Enemies beneath the cloud are struck by Shock twice instead of once.

Guard Cylinder Mastery

Equipping a Guard Cylinder alongside a Cylinder causes all alchemy skills to hit twice for 45~60% damage (rank dependent).

Hydra Transmutation

No longer requires both a Guard Cylinder and a Cylinder.
Duration is reduced by half when casting the skill without both of the above.

Summon Golem

Skills are updated to player versions (updated load time/cooldown/etc)
Snow Golems possess Rank 5 Windmill. Shadow Golems possess Rank 1 Windmill.
Golems are now influenced by music buff skills.

Golem health is increased by a coefficient of 0.3
Golem damage is increased by a coefficient of 0.1

Spell Walk

Influences alchemy skills.
Daniel1235 wrote on 2015-05-12 14:33

Quote from Kaeporo;1274356:
[SIZE="5"]Upgrade Overall:[/SIZE]
Players can now upgrade headgear, gloves, gauntlets, footwear, greaves and accessories.
Base movement speed is reduced for all races:

Human: 90%
Giant: 106%
Elf: 122%

Headgear: 0~1
0~0 Balance +5%
0~1 Defense +1, Durability +1
1~1 Defense +2
1~1 Durability +2

Gloves: 0~1
0~1 Durability +2
0~1 Gathering Speed +5%
1~1 Product Quality +1

Gauntlets: 0~1
0~0 Defense +2
0~1 Durability +1
1~1 Defense +3, Durability -1

Footwear: 0~1
0~1 Movement Speed: +5%
0~1 Durability +2
0~1 Will +5

Greaves: 0~1
0~0 Movement Speed: +5%
0~0 Defense +5
0~1 Protection +2

Accessories: 0~2
0~2 Durability +1
0~2 Defense +2
2~2 Artisan Upgrade: (only two of the following will occur)

+0~8 Max Damage
+0~15 Alchemic Damage
+0~10 Magic Attack

Might as well add proficiency gaining method, cost (both gold and proficiency) and which NPCs can do the upgrades.

On other note, I would LOVE to see production upgrades on a unique gear.

Quote from Kaeporo;1274489:
Cylinder On-Off

Quote from Kaeporo;1274644:
Reduces Cylinder On-Off load time.

I am confused since this is first time I see this... What is this? :what:
koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-05-12 18:10

I honestly think Alchemy is fine as is other than Raincast, and i'd prefer if players didn't have to become endgame mages and fighters to get the most out of alchemy. The problem is that Raincast is such a core part of Alchemy's utility that nerfing it means it's hard to get back that utility in other places.

I'd take Kaeporo's idea for RC and do this:

Rain Casting

Casting duration reduced to 1+4 seconds.
Being hit by lightning bolts resets enemy aggro, however it can aggro another player immediately.
Base lightning damage is raised to 0~50. Damage is further influenced by stats and wind alchemy efficiency.
Damage coefficient is 0.2
Enables Water Cannon to splash enemies around the target. Splash radius is 300. Splash damage is 75%.
Enemies beneath the cloud are struck by Shock twice instead of once.
Shock can chain from an enemy struck by Shock to another enemy while beneath the cloud.
Thunder gains unlimited charge targets and double splash range if the initial targets are beneath the cloud.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-12 18:36

Quote from Kapra:
Never until now have I ever thought you were trolling.

Offense taken. Shots fired.

Mana recovery is not that overpowered.

Restoring half of your max mana every three minutes, with an incredibly short load time which allows it to be used in battle, with literally no drawbacks whatsoever, all while rendering Meditation and Mana Potions obsolete to a great extent, and in essence is just an "E-Z I Win" button, is very overpowered in my opinion. Along with Crisis Escape, which effectively has the same concept, is incredibly disgusting and just doesn't belong.

Several mages I've met, such as Kaeporo, Zeo, and Blargel of Mabi Wiki, all agree that Mana Recovery is outright a terrible design choice, and even Blargel said he wouldn't mind Mana Evaporation being a drawback to Mana Recovery. I for one am extremely angry with Mana Recovery because mages already have many options to replenish their mana while simultaneously reducing their mana consumption, and some of them even have punishing risks; they really could just polished up the existing instead of just slapping in a new skill without even touching the existing skills. Personally, I have no equipment to adjust my mana or potions to restore it, but even by playing "pure mage" there's not much struggle for mana upkeep (aside from Meditation and natural regeneration being outright crappy).

These mage mana adjustments also already apply IN BATTLE, while the rest of the other skillsets can't (Bard doesn't count because it affects everyone). Warriors and Puppets are now the highest stamina consuming bunch, but they don't have any way of reducing their stamina costs or have the ability to use Rest, Campfire, or Respite in an actual battle.

I don't understand why you people are praising Mana Recovery like its some deity while completely ditching Meditation. My point is, DevCAT's way of rebalancing mana upkeep is just absolutely horrid; I'd rather have Meditation and natural regeneration better than some new skill that can just effortlessly replace them.

Quote from Kaeporo;1274644:
[SIZE="6"]Alchemy Renovation[/SIZE]

Alchemy Mastery's training needs to be heavily rebalanced, and Shock needs to finish shit. I'd also like the ability to unsummon spikes and golems to re-use them later.

Health, mana, and stamina no longer influence alchemy skill damage.
Alchemy skill damage is now increased by the player's intelligence and willpower.

What will happen to Elemental Wave's mastery bonuses then?

Quote from Daniel1235;1274654:
I am confused since this is first time I see this... What is this? :what:

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/f/f3/Cylinder_On-Off.png]

Tower Cylinders take a longass time to setup and deconstruct.
Daniel1235 wrote on 2015-05-12 20:51

Quote from Darkboy132;1274667:
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/f/f3/Cylinder_On-Off.png]

Tower Cylinders take a longass time to setup and deconstruct.

Ahhhhhhh now I get it... So that on-off mode is only regarding to tower cylinders?
Kapra wrote on 2015-05-12 21:50

Quote from Darkboy132;1274667:
Restoring half of your max mana every three minutes, with an incredibly short load time which allows it to be used in battle, with literally no drawbacks whatsoever, all while rendering Meditation and Mana Potions obsolete to a great extent, and in essence is just an "E-Z I Win" button, is very overpowered in my opinion. Along with Crisis Escape, which effectively has the same concept, is incredibly disgusting and just doesn't belong.

Several mages I've met, such as Kaeporo, Zeo, and Blargel of Mabi Wiki, all agree that Mana Recovery is outright a terrible design choice, and even Blargel said he wouldn't mind Mana Evaporation being a drawback to Mana Recovery. I for one am extremely angry with Mana Recovery because mages already have many options to replenish their mana while simultaneously reducing their mana consumption, and some of them even have punishing risks; they really could just polished up the existing instead of just slapping in a new skill without even touching the existing skills. Personally, I have no equipment to adjust my mana or potions to restore it, but even by playing "pure mage" there's not much struggle for mana upkeep (aside from Meditation and natural regeneration being outright crappy).

These mage mana adjustments also already apply IN BATTLE, while the rest of the other skillsets can't (Bard doesn't count because it affects everyone). Warriors and Puppets are now the highest stamina consuming bunch, but they don't have any way of reducing their stamina costs or have the ability to use Rest, Campfire, or Respite in an actual battle.

I don't understand why you people are praising Mana Recovery like its some deity while completely ditching Meditation. My point is, DevCAT's way of rebalancing mana upkeep is just absolutely horrid; I'd rather have Meditation and natural regeneration better than some new skill that can just effortlessly replace them.

I don't think mana recovery was the best route either. But you're overstating its usefulness. My main argument was how crippling the ramifications of your two update ideas were. You didn't even address my critique. If you must nerf Mana Recovery, there are less skill breaking ways to do it. Nexon has been doing things poorly, but even they wouldn't make as bad of a design choice as that.

Quote from Daniel1235;1274678:
Ahhhhhhh now I get it... So that on-off mode is only regarding to tower cylinders?

Yea, that action must be used to set up Tower Cylinders to make them usable in battle. It takes forever right now.

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