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Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-25 20:02

Quote from koishi-sempai;1276248:
when other skillsets are forced to choose between "fast and weak" and "slow and powerful" then we can talk about this.

So "fast but long cooldown" is not a thing?

My Fireballs are around the level of Act 7, but they're being lugged out about once every 7 seconds. Act 7 has a cooldown of 14-17 seconds, so effectively Fireball is about 2x stronger over time. Also Snap Cast is a thing, so Fireball is 3x stronger with it, especially since it also got a cooldown decrease.

I never said I didn't deny Act 7 being powerful to begin with.

Quote from koishi-sempai;1276283:
I think any potential issues with Lightning Rod are resolved by weakening uncharged damage and possibly buffing charged damage.

[Image: http://i.imgur.com/rKk8tyw.png]

So... Lightning Rod should be hitting 100ks, greatly surpassing Meteor far more than it should?

Quote from Kelvas:
Why would it be an adv magic without damage?

Why is every god damn thing about damage? Isn't that one of the major contributors of balance destruction?

If it has another property, such as some paralysis or defense cut measure, then it'll still be helpful.
koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-05-25 20:17

Quote from Darkboy132;1276337:
So "fast but long cooldown" is not a thing?

My Fireballs are around the level of Act 7, but they're being lugged out about once every 7 seconds. Act 7 has a cooldown of 14-17 seconds, so effectively Fireball is about 2x stronger over time. Also Snap Cast is a thing, so Fireball is 3x stronger with it, especially since it also got a cooldown decrease.

Fireball is also very impractical to actually use more than once unless you ohko the mob with the initial fireball then Snap Cast onto the second mob because it spreads out mobs instead of knocking them into one place, Act 7 does upwards of 60k, not 20k, and

So... Lightning Rod should be hitting 100ks, greatly surpassing Meteor far more than it should?

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe Meteor should be doing more and that's the problem with the adv magic balance? It's not like Meteor was a good spell before Lightning Rod came out.

Hailstorm needs...something, I'm not sure. More damage? It hits upwards of 45k every 3.5 seconds over a 45 second duration. Maybe it should start at 5 charges, then recharge over the normal duration. It's definitely a great cleanup spell though. I think what people fail to understand about magic is that every spell is useful in some way but people don't understand the talent enough enough to get the most out of it.

Lightning Rod's strength isn't that it can do 80k on foxes after a few seconds of stationary charging - it's strength is that it can do 20k instantly when you're getting swarmed by a bunch of dangerous mobs.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-25 20:32

Quote from koishi-sempai;1276338:
Fireball is also very impractical to actually use more than once unless you ohko the mob with the initial fireball then Snap Cast onto the second mob because it spreads out mobs instead of knocking them into one place, Act 7 does upwards of 60k, not 20k

I am nowhere near endgame gear. I have no enchants, shitty reforges, and no special upgrades sans knuckles which keep failing. All I have is mid-tier stuff. So I have no idea what "60k" you're talking about.

My point is, I don't see endgame like you do at the moment.

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe Meteor should be doing more and that's the problem with the adv magic balance? It's not like Meteor was a good spell before Lightning Rod came out.

Hailstorm needs...something, I'm not sure. More damage?

Lightning Rod's strength isn't that it can do 80k on foxes after a few seconds of stationary charging - it's strength is that it can do 20k instantly when you're getting swarmed by a bunch of dangerous mobs.

Quote from Darkboy132:
Why is every god damn thing about damage?

Take a look at KR Sakura Abyss for example. It got buffed to twice its damage, from 3750% to 7500%. I can do about ~20k non-crit in its current form. You still think needed that damage bonus?
Kelvas wrote on 2015-05-25 20:45

Quote from Darkboy132;1276341:
I am nowhere near endgame gear. I have no enchants, shitty reforges, and no special upgrades sans knuckles which keep failing. All I have is mid-tier stuff. So I have no idea what "60k" you're talking about.

You say this now, but in the previous post, you used a truly end game example of lightning rod.

Quote from Darkboy132;1276341:

Take a look at KR Sakura Abyss for example. It got buffed to twice its damage, from 3750% to 7500%. I can do about ~20k non-crit in its current form. You still think needed that damage bonus?

LR =/= Sakura Abyss
I think he means this: Give LR more damage when charged and reduce damage when uncharged to give people an incentive to actually charge it (which also solves your earlier complaint about instant 10k or something like that.)

[SPOILER="Everything is about damage?"]
[Image: http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/62521305.jpg]

Also fashion I guess.[/SPOILER]
Slayerj wrote on 2015-05-25 22:38

[SPOILER="Thing"]I'm going to be extremely blunt because this is getting old, fast. Nearly everyone on this forum likes to Min/Max and do everything with maximum efficiency. They'll talk up and down about how this ONE thing is the best thing to use to do that in one spot, while in another they'll talk about how they like other things and see other things as useless and slow.

The moment anything comes along and is more efficient than the last ting, they shit themselves in a blind rage instead of just min/maxing that instead. They'll swear up and down about unbalance while still talking in other locations about how balanced things are and aren't from the past. They'll go out of there way to talk about it constantly for a few weeks before finally shutting the hell up about it. Especially if it's a skill set they don't typically use or like using. We're all guilty of it at one point or another, that includes me.[/SPOILER]

NOW, back on topic.

Hailstorm: Now once it loads you have a full 5th charge. Splash range is increased to 400 at full charges. You can no longer be knocked out of Hailstorm. Dmg increased to 300-400. Ignores magic protection when calculating critical hit. Monster that hit you while the skill is active will have their attack speed slowed by 20%

Meteor Strike: Cooldown reduced to be 10 minutes. Mana use changed to be 150 at rank 1. Magic dmg changed to be 7.5k-10k. Physical dmg changed to be 6k-8k. DoT fire ignores magical protection and defense. AoE size is still the same but there is now a smaller circle in the middle where any monsters within will take an extra 15% dmg. Dmg does not decrease over the area of the attack. MP is not consumed until you click to use the skill.

Lightning Rod: Using the skill without charging it for at least a full second will result in a 45% dmg reduction and use an extra 20mp. Width increased to 250 at rank 1. Cooldown increased to 25 seconds at rank 1. Max charge time increases to 3 seconds at rank 1. (each rank it will go up 0-.2 seconds, rank F is now 1 second to fully charge.)

All ADV magic's will keep their spell circle under the player until used/finished.

This next one is something a friend of mine thought up and I very much enjoy it.

Inspiration can now be used with any weapon or no weapon. Cooldown increased to 5 minutes at all ranks. With a magic weapon you will heal more MP (up to 60% at rank 1) while with a non magic weapon you will heal the same as it is now. It now takes 3 seconds to use the skill. Being hit at this time will take away half of what has been healed so far and stop the skill.

Meditation: Uncapped to rank 1. Rank 7-4 are bought via NPC shops, rank 3-2 are via dungeon drops, and rank 1 is a quest. Starting at rank 9, you will only have your SP regin cut by 75%. At rank 6 50%, and at rank 2 25%. At rank 1 it's 10%. You have a reduced movement speed without a magic weapon by 50% until rank 5 where it becomes 25%. Rank 1 has no effect in changing it. Without a magic weapon the MP regin is reduced by half. Meditation can now be canceled and put into a 1-2 minute cool down if you are knocked down while charging any spell/using almost any skill. Being knocked out will do this as well.

Rank 1 meditation quest: Talk to Stewart with rank 2 and ask him about skills. He will inform you that almost no one (yet~ as the players are about to jump all over this) has ever achieved this level of meditation. Next go talk to the Dan rank test guy, he'll tell you there is no test for this sort of thing and that you'll have better luck learning it on your own.

In any order.
Use meditation as you defeat a Wild Gray Wolf while meditating.
Use mediation as you defeat a Balrog.
Use meditation as you defeat a (any color) Skeleton ghost.
Use meditation as you defeat a (any color) Lizard witch.
Use Meditation as you attack (any) Dragon (15 times).
Get knocked out of meditation 20 times.

Talk to Stewart again. He'll look embarrassed as he hands you a book, the book to gain rank 1 meditation. He'll explain that he found it in the library while looking for another book. It was misplaced in a different section than what it should have been.

Something so I'll remember it for next time. New monster passive skills for extra resistances to some skills that are reflected via their modle and/or title.
Bunny wrote on 2015-05-25 23:17

Quote from Darkboy132;1276337:

Why is every god damn thing about damage? Isn't that one of the major contributors of balance destruction?

Just another MMO; of course player vs mob is gonna be all about damage. It revolves around it. It matters. Balance or no balance, damage is damage and that's that.

[S]likeeveryothermmo[/S]
kaozking wrote on 2015-05-25 23:20

Quote from Darkboy132;1276341:
All I have is mid-tier stuff. So I have no idea what "60k" you're talking about.

Can i see your mid-game gear?
M wrote on 2015-05-26 01:21

Quote from kaozking;1276371:
Can i see your mid-game gear?

[S]I was thinking the same thing. I have wil o wisp sprout gear, nearly capped int, and don't hit that high lol[/S]

oh it's not his damage. He's using an endgame players damage with visible damage buffs/endgame titles to complain about the OPness of LR. If endgame OP people can only do 70k with LR, I'm not worried. I've seen higher damage from other skillsets.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-26 01:47
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- Everything in Simon's Bag is just training shit.
- Dream Catcher is beginner.
- Fire Wand, Warhammer, Falcata, Arbalest, and Highlander Long Bow are all Fomor.
- Lance has Siege Penetrating but no gem/specials. Control Bar has Carved Colossus. Tail Cap has stiff. Everything else has no enchants.
- Only Knuckle has R4.
[Image: http://i.imgur.com/jgL6kgb.jpg]

Reforge: Lol who gives a shit about Mind of Chaos.

I'd rather not take a picture of each and every single one of my weapons. :sigh:

Quote from M;1276390:
oh it's not his damage. He's using an endgame players damage with visible damage buffs/endgame titles to complain about the OPness of LR. If endgame OP people can only do 70k with LR, I'm not worried. I've seen higher damage from other skillsets.

Uhh.......... Okay nevermind.
Twin wrote on 2015-05-26 11:39

All Daggers now do 4 hits :D
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-05-26 12:25

[SIZE="6"]Alchemy Renovation:[/SIZE]

[SIZE="5"]Skill Learning:[/SIZE]

The Seal Merchant now sells Shock pages.
The following skill's training requirements were rebalanced and made easier:
- Alchemy Mastery
- Mana Crystalization
- Golden Time
- Elemental Wave

[SIZE="5"]General Changes:[/SIZE]

Cylinder durability consumption is no longer increased when using charged skills.
Alchemy skills reference [(Intelligence + Willpower)/2] instead of Health, Stamina, or Mana for damage.
Alchemy skills can now be loaded while moving.
Elemental cylinders negate associated crystal consumption.
Cylinder On/Off now takes only two seconds to complete.
Tower Cylinders can now perform all alchemy skills.
Tower Cylinders can now receive special upgrades.

[SIZE="5"]Skill Changes:[/SIZE]

Element Alchemy
Additionally increases "element" alchemic damage by up to 15 at Rank 1
Additionally decreases stamina consumption by up to 20% at Rank 1

Water Cannon
Load Time reduced to 0.8 seconds.

Flame Burst
Duration reduced to 2.5 seconds.
Damage is dealt every 0.5 seconds.

Wind Blast
Critical hits have a splash radius of 200~500, depending on skill rank.
The skill can be charged up to five times, dealing up to 6.5x damage at five charges and knocking targets back 30% further.

Sand Burst
Range increased to 800.
Critical hits have a splash radius of 200~500, depending on skill rank.
The skill can be charged up to five times, dealing up to 6.5x damage at five charges and blinding targets 30% longer.

Heat Buster
Damage coefficient raised to 1.8

Barrier Spikes
Holds a health coefficient of 0.8

Golden Time
Cooldown reduced to 90 seconds.

While active
Elemental marble bonuses are doubled.
Alchemy skills burn twice as many crystals.
Cylinders lose no durability.

Elemental Wave
Integrates with Barrier Spikes to deploy Circle Barrier Spikes.
Frozen Blast no longer freezes at a 100% success rate.
Heat Buster no longer hit three times. The skill instead always deals a critical hit with full splash damage.
Life Drain absorption is raised to 25%.

Rain Casting
Casting Time reduced to 3 seconds.
Duration reduced to 45 seconds.
Cooldown reduced to 60 seconds.
No longer influences enemy aggresion.
Allows Water Cannon to deal 50% splash damage across a radius of 200.
Lightning strikes hold a damage coefficient of 3.5 and stun for 5 seconds.

Summon Golem
New interface is available regardless of whether or not a cylinder is equipped.
Hold a damage coefficient of 0.08 and a health coefficient of 0.2

Shock
Duration raised to 30 seconds at Rank 1.

Frozen Blast
Can be used on all enemies.
Enemies that fail to freeze (including those immune) have their movement speed reduced by 40% over the duration instead.

Mana Crystalization
Load Time is reduced to 2 seconds.
The skill now has a 15 second cooldown.
The skill can now deal critical damage.
Intermediate spells are now cast instantly, with instant effects (like bolts) but retain the same area of effect
Damage is now based on a skill coefficient of 8.

[SIZE="5"]New Weapons:[/SIZE]

Dual-element Cylinders

Increase positive attributes by 30%.
Decrease negative attributes by 10%.
Receive upgrades from both attribute's second-tier elemental cylinder.

Celtic Smoke Cylinder
(Fire/Wind)

Celtic Lava Cylinder
(Fire/Clay)

Celtic Prism Cylinder
(Water/Wind)

Celtic Mud Cylinder
(Water/Clay)

Celtic Royal Tower Cylinder
Affords the following set effects:
- Heat Buster damage
- Mana Crystalization damage

[SIZE="5"]New Enchants:[/SIZE]

A total of eight new enchants are added.
The four best enchants are added to abyss dungeons.
The enchants emphasize alchemic damage, stamina reduction, stamina, and max damage.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-26 20:52
Ancient Books:
- Monocle gold cost decreased to 10k.
- "Shiny" spot is drastically more common; at least once every two-three rooms they appear, and possibly two in one room or in the hallway.
- All mobs in Rath Castle Shadow Missions have a chance to drop ancient books.
- Strange Books now spawn in every Rath Castle Shadow Mission instead of just Ghost of Partholon.
- Ancient Books are now guaranteed from opening Strange Books, as a separate item.
Tropa wrote on 2015-05-26 22:16

New Enchants

Synthetic - Rank 5 Suffix - Body
+8~13 Alchemic Damage if Synthesis is rank 3 or higher
+6% Critical if Alchemy Mastery is rank 6 or higher
+30 Mana
+30 Health
3x Repair cost

Golden - Rank 6 Prefix - Gloves and Boots
+9 Alchemic Damage if Golden Time is rank 1
+5% Alchemic Damage while Golden Time is active
+6 Max Damage if Metal Conversion is rank 3 or higher
2x Repair Cost

Bulwurk - Rank 5 Suffix - Shields and Guard Cylinders
+250 Barrier Spike Health if Clay Alchemy is rank 1
+7 Defense
+4% Protection
0.5x Repair cost

Shooting Star - Rank 6 Suffix - Body
+10~15 Magic Attack if Meteor Strike is Rank 3 or higher
-5% Mana Usage Reduction if wearing "the Meteor Strike Master" title
+8 Magic Defense
+6% Magic Protection
x3 Repair cost

Condensation - Rank 7 Prefix - Boots
+8 Magic Attack if Hailstorm is rank 1
+7 Alchemic Damage if Rain Casting Rank 3 or higher
+40 Mana
-20 Strength

Enlightened - Rank 4 Suffix - Hats
+12 Magic Attack if Lightning Rod is rank 1
+8% Magic Attack if Meditation is active
+30 Mana
3x Repair cost
Twin wrote on 2015-05-26 22:29

Give people the ability to advertise and be in a party with their friends :l
koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-05-26 22:40

Quote from Kaeporo;1276432:
[SIZE="6"]Alchemy Renovation:[/SIZE]

[SIZE="5"]Skill Learning:[/SIZE]

The Seal Merchant now sells Shock pages.
The following skill's training requirements were rebalanced and made easier:
- Alchemy Mastery
- Mana Crystalization
- Golden Time
- Elemental Wave

[SIZE="5"]General Changes:[/SIZE]

Cylinder durability consumption is no longer increased when using charged skills.
Alchemy skills reference [(Intelligence + Willpower)/2] instead of Health, Stamina, or Mana for damage.
Alchemy skills can now be loaded while moving.
Elemental cylinders negate associated crystal consumption.
Cylinder On/Off now takes only two seconds to complete.
Tower Cylinders can now perform all alchemy skills.
Tower Cylinders can now receive special upgrades.

[SIZE="5"]Skill Changes:[/SIZE]

Element Alchemy
Additionally increases "element" alchemic damage by up to 15 at Rank 1
Additionally decreases stamina consumption by up to 20% at Rank 1

Water Cannon
Load Time reduced to 0.8 seconds.

Flame Burst
Duration reduced to 2.5 seconds.
Damage is dealt every 0.5 seconds.

Wind Blast
Critical hits have a splash radius of 200~500, depending on skill rank.
The skill can be charged up to five times, dealing up to 6.5x damage at five charges and stunning targets after the knockback.

Sand Burst
Range increased to 800.
Critical hits have a splash radius of 200~500, depending on skill rank.
The skill can be charged up to five times, dealing up to 6.5x damage at five charges and blinding targets 30% longer.

Heat Buster
Damage coefficient raised to 1.8

Barrier Spikes
Holds a health coefficient of 0.8

Golden Time
Cooldown reduced [S]to 90 seconds.[/S] by 3/4/5 seconds depending on rank for every successful alchemy HIT (not usage)

While active
Elemental marble bonuses are doubled.
Alchemy skills burn twice as many crystals.
Cylinders lose no durability.

Elemental Wave
Integrates with Barrier Spikes to deploy Circle Barrier Spikes.
Frozen Blast no longer freezes at a 100% success rate.
Heat Buster no longer hit three times. The skill instead always deals a critical hit with full splash damage.
Life Drain absorption is raised to 25%.

Rain Casting
Casting Time reduced to 3 seconds.
Duration reduced to 45 seconds.
Cooldown reduced to 60 seconds.
No longer influences enemy aggresion.
Allows Water Cannon to deal 50% splash damage across a radius of 200.
Lightning strikes hold a damage coefficient of 1.5 and stun for 5 seconds.
Thunder damage to targets within the cloud is increased by 1.5x, chain range is increased to the entire diameter of the cloud, and target limit is removed.

Summon Golem
New interface is available regardless of whether or not a cylinder is equipped.
Hold a damage coefficient of 0.08 and a health coefficient of 0.2

Shock
Duration raised to 30 seconds at Rank 1.

Frozen Blast
Can be used on all enemies.
Enemies that fail to freeze (including those immune) have their movement speed reduced by 40% over the duration instead.

Mana Crystalization
Load Time is reduced to 2 seconds.
The skill now has a 15 second cooldown.
The skill can now deal critical damage.
Intermediate spells are now cast instantly, with instant effects (like bolts) but retain the same area of effect
Damage is now based on a skill coefficient of 8.

[SIZE="5"]New Weapons:[/SIZE]

Dual-element Cylinders

Increase positive attributes by 30%.
Decrease negative attributes by 10%.
Receive upgrades from both attribute's second-tier elemental cylinder.

Celtic Smoke Cylinder
(Fire/Wind)

Celtic Lava Cylinder
(Fire/Clay)

Celtic Prism Cylinder
(Water/Wind)

Celtic Mud Cylinder
(Water/Clay)

Celtic Royal Tower Cylinder
Affords the following set effects:
- Heat Buster damage
- Mana Crystalization damage

[SIZE="5"]New Enchants:[/SIZE]

A total of eight new enchants are added.
The four best enchants are added to abyss dungeons.
The enchants emphasize alchemic damage, stamina reduction, stamina, and max damage.

A few changes in bold, though the base idea is great.

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