New weapon, skills, items, and tweaks you'd like to see!~

• Slayerj wrote on 2015-05-29 03:46

  Quote from Zunori;1276750:

  Funny that you add this, my guess is, as a direct counter to AoE pets (Bone Dragon). Well, it might not be exactly your intention, but how about adding specific stun immunity only to pets when this title is on a monster, so that it counters every AoE pet. This would require more skill 'cause it can't be stopped just with a tap of a key.

  
  
  Yeah I forgot about nimbus and throwing in some stun resistance. I also completely forgot to make prefix and suffix versions of most of the titles that can do that. Oh well. Too lazy atm.
• Tropa wrote on 2015-05-29 05:29

  Quote from Slayerj;1276678:

  [SPOILER="Lots of stuff."]Monster Revamp.
  New mob titles to randomly spawn with in missions and dungeons. They may spawn with a combination of two titles.
  “The ____ Wall.” This title is given to monsters that spawn with a shield most of the time, but can show up on other mobs with a few changes.
  
  Crumbling: Takes 1% more dmg. Only found on beginner difficulty (semi common) and normal dungeons (rarely).
  
  Iron: Takes -40% dmg physical attacks. Has shield mastery rank 9 and defense rank 9. Only takes .3 seconds to load defense. Base defense and protection +(1-5) and +(1-3). Found on any difficulty above Beginner/normal, the harder making it more common.
  
  Magical: Takes -40% dmg from magical attacks. Has rank B shield mastery and defense rank 9. Only takes .5 seconds to load defense. Base magic defense and protection +(1-5) and +(1-3). Found on any difficulty above Beginner/normal, the harder making it more common.
  
  Wind: Takes -40% dmg from ranged attacks. Has rank 9 shield mastery and defense rank B. Only takes .3 seconds to load defense. Base defense and protection +(1-5) and +(1-5). Found on any difficulty above Beginner/normal, the harder making it more common.
  
  Unbreakable: Takes -25% dmg from all attack types. Has rank 5 shield mastery and defense rank 5. Can instantly load defense. -30% of its own dmg. Found on hard mode and up, rarely found in ADV.
  
  Stone: Stun resistance increased greatly and gets up from being knocked down extremely fast. Has rank B shield mastery and defense. Takes 1 second to load defense.
  
  “The barrier of ____”
  This title depends on the monsters in the room with it. It will randomly select 1 name and any monster that shares that name will be protected by it until it is defeated.
  
  “The protector of ____”
  Essentially the same thing, but the monsters may be defeated before this one. The monster with this title will target anyone who attacks the monster(s) it is protecting.
  
  “The ___ Hunter”
  “Who Hunts _____”
  The first title targets x skill set. If ANYONE uses any skill from that skill set, the monster will gain +15% dmg and defense against said skill set and target you.
  The second title targets a specific player (not a pet or partner). This monster will gun it for you from the word go and do 5% more dmg to you and take 10% less dmg from you. DOES NOT appear when you’re alone.
  
  “Who shall arise”
  Any monster with this title will revive after 10 seconds of being dead with 25%-50% of their hp. Cannot spawn on a boss/mini boss.
  
  “The prepared(_)”
  Any monster with this title will have a HP/MP/SP (as in a 3 in 1) potion 30-100, based on the mission difficulty/dungeon. The title will have a number anywhere from 1-5, showing how many potions the monster has. It will drink it’s potion if it loses HP/SP/MP equal to the potion or higher.
  
  “The berserker”
  Any monster with this title has a 25% chance to not get stunned or knocked back by a hit, similar to adv heavy. They have an extra 100-500hp (depending on several things) and take 5% more dmg.
  
  “Who hates animals”
  Any monster with this title will take -75% dmg from pet summon effects, and pet dmg, as well as deal an extra 50% dmg to pets. They can randomly yell out and desummon your pet as well.
  
  “Who won’t let you escape.”
  Any monster with this title will chase after you regardless of agro once they see you. They will not attack you until they agro normally, but they won’t let you away from them. They have a 25% movement speed increase. (Typically found in dungeons, mainly in dungeon orb rooms)
  
  Prefix, monster name, Sufix.
  
  A few other changes:
  Monsters with shields and close combat weapons can run with defense and walk with counter.
  Monster AI can be different than normal. A bulky shield guy might start rushing you instead of spamming defense and counter, and a mob that would typically only ever rush you will throw in some defenses sometimes. You never know what to expect.
  Mobs with long names due to titles will have their font shrunk a bit.
  Players in the same party in a dungeon share the same mini map (as in it fills out for everyone).
  
  Small Dungeon change:
  Upon completing a dungeon room, be it chest or orb room (must kill all the monsters that did spawn), the total EXP from all the monsters is added up and awarded to every player in the dungeon without being divided.
  Dungeon chest rewards no longer have ONE main reward chest. Every chest has the same chances to have good loot in it.
  Dungeon room Keys are no longer physical and are shared between the entire party.
  Blue fountains now always have good effects, unless “Something seems different about this fountain…” is read. The good effect pool is altered to only have a few with better effects than normal, and the bad pool is put into play with its effects made stronger.
  The same goes for the red fountains, with their stat increases boosted by 2x (4x with the “different” text.) The negative pool is -5x what it normally is.
  [/SPOILER]

  
  
  I do like this idea, I guess I'll add onto it.
  
  
  ___ the Chain Cylinder Master
  - Monsters that posses Alchemy
  Has Chain Cylinder with no cooldown
  +30% Health
  +50% Defense/Protection/Magic Defense/Magic Protection
  
  ___ the Snap cast Master
  - Monsters that posses Magic
  Has Snap Cast with no cooldown
  +30% Health
  +50% Defense/Protection/Magic Defense/Magic Protection
  
  ___ the Undying
  - Any Monster
  Revives 5 seconds after dying with full health(Once).
  +100% Health
  +500% Health Regeneration
  
  ___ the Spiked
  - Any Monster
  +30% Health
  +15% Damage Reflection
  
  ___ the Mana Sapper
  - Any Monster
  10% of the monster's dealt damage will drain the user's Mana
  
  ___ the Withering
  - Any Monster
  Getting hit by this monster will apply a withering effect that will decrease all stats by 25% temporarily.
  +30% Health
• Kapra wrote on 2015-05-29 05:54

  Quote from Tropa;1276775:

  ___ the Snap cast Master
  - Monsters that posses Magic
  Has Snap Cast with no cooldown
  +30% Health
  +50% Defense/Protection/Magic Defense/Magic Protection

  
  Instant snap cast. . . As if that's not hellish enough in Saga 2. Keep in mind that now, monsters can hit you in ice spear making monsters with ice spear a threat, now if you make that have no charge time or cooldown, that's going to sound really hellish.
  
  

  Quote from Slayerj;1276678:

  Monster Revamp.
  New mob titles to randomly spawn with in missions and dungeons. They may spawn with a combination of two titles.
  

  
  I'm not too fond of making existing content even harder than it is (because believe it or not, most people outside of the bubble can't handle most without being funded unless they have full parties if that). I'd rather they instead spend their focus making new content, or make existing content more interesting but not more difficult. The problem with existing content is not that its too easy, the problem is that it isn't arguably rewarding or fun.
  
  
  I can come up with some ideas of how to make dungeons more fun, but the real question is, how can we make them more rewarding without impeding on the domain of another type of content? (If you give dungeons experience, then either dungeons are the go to sources for experience or missions, like how people will either use blunts or swords, whichever is better and the other gets ignored.) Look at some newer content, Apostle Raids are the go to source for Divine experience and is only rivaled by Alban dungeon but Alban Dungeon is not even a close match in that department. Alban Dungeon is the go to department for Totems, only rivaled by previously released event-only totems which don't even come close, and can't be custom built like Alban Totems. I think Devcat was starting to see that, or well, sees it sometimes (pointing at you, Axes and Blunt Weapons).
  
  Currently:
  

  
  
  • Dungeons - Nada
    
  • Shadow Missions - Experience
    
  • Tourny - Experience (conflicts with shadow missions)
    
  • Theatre Missions - some G13 items and experience but mostly Nada
    
  • Lord Missions - Demonic materials, which are kind of useless because they replaced them following the failing formula I previously mentioned.
    
  • Abyss Dungeons - Enchants?
    
  • Apostle Raids - Divine Experience and new weapons/weapon ingredients
    
  • Alban Dungeon - Minuscule amounts of Divine Experience and Totem ingredients
    

  
  
  That being said, I don't think we should consider weapons (and maybe armor) good rewards from any content as the backbone reward for that content unless they're really unique, in which case they might become too niche too.
  
  If anyone has any suggestions for how to update the rewards of any content, let me know. It's the main thing holding me back from finalizing my life skill/dungeon post. (I think one of the contents should reward customizable combo cards, and I allocate that responsibility to Theatre Missions and not Dungeons.)
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-29 06:19

  Quote from Kapra;1276777:

  Instant snap cast. . . As if that's not hellish enough in Saga 2. Keep in mind that now, monsters can hit you in ice spear making monsters with ice spear a threat, now if you make that have no charge time or cooldown, that's going to sound really hellish.

  
  
  I dunno, Arc Lich's buddies weren't attacking me when he froze me, but then again that only happened once...
• Slayerj wrote on 2015-05-29 08:14

  Quote from Kapra;1276777:

  
  I'm not too fond of making existing content even harder than it is (because believe it or not, most people outside of the bubble can't handle most without being funded unless they have full parties if that).
  
  
  

  
  
  I would have to HEAVILY disagree with this. Me and a friend a while back started two new characters for the hell of it. They weren't even level 100 yet and I think I had ONE skill rank 9. We jumped into Randal basic and Duo'd it with maybe two deaths total. Yes, we knew what we were doing, but also we were on MUCH more limited characters, and NO we didn't use OP gear or pet summons. I was using a fucking hachet and a round shield, no light or heavy armor, same for my friends (cept not the shield or hatchet. I think he had fighter and regular melee) and this was before the combat revamp with bash and all that. i also had a regular long bow with like 3 rank C range skills.
  
  We have this problem of putting starter content on this pedestal of "It's hard enough for new players" When it REALLY isn't. There is nothing challenging about Alby normal, Ciar normal, Rundal normal. I was actually caught off guard twice in Rundal normal because I kept forgetting that skeleton wolves have wonky "I might agro you instantly or watch you for a minute or two first" agro. In the basic I forgot to focus archers because I'm so used to them not being a problem in dungeons anymore (and guess what, they still weren't. One of the two deaths was in the boss room because I got waaay to fucking cocky and my buddy ran to the corner and sat down laughing at me.)
  
  
  One of the main problems with old content is it doesn't mesh well with all these revamps and updates because it is NEVER touched. We continue to get these buffs and more skills to get stats from or destroy weaker content with, but said content never changes from the word go. I am 100% fine with early dungeons not being super ultra hard in the slightest. But the hardest thing about the dungeons atm early game (normal ones) are their bosses, and even then they aren't that bad, and if you're not alone they're just as weak/weaker than the actual dungeon.
  
  Beginner shadow missions and theater missions are a joke as well.
  
  They're all also EXTREMELY BORING because it's just armies of the same damn thing with no change ups. Ever.
  This wave into this wave into this wave.
  That wave into that wave into that wave.
  This orb room might summon this or this.
  
  Times 10-500 and you have a dungeon.
  
  A mission is the same but more streamlined and face paced. (Theater or SM)
  The only reason no one does theater missions other than MA is because it's such a pain in the ass to make the damn passes. (Why the hell does sheep shearing mastery not effect those bastards? Why can't we at the very least trade in pages for missions with a slight gold fee or something.) They made a life skill type thing a requirement for doing a combat based thing. I'd run TMs to high hell if I didn't have to gather fucking pages for 2 hours for a chance to run anything that isn't fort (and that's only because no one likes doing that for some reason..)
  
  As for a way to fix the rewards. Make them all essentially equal in the exp and gold department, but with other things.
  
  SMs (which already need a damn rebalance) should be the fastest way (by a small margin) to get exp in multiple bursts of missions but less gold than they do now.
  TMs should give much more gold while still giving around the same amount of exp, maybe a tad bit less. Weapons and outfits as rare/very rare drops (as I think they already are)
  Dungeons should be long but enjoyable, last a fair bit and still pay out with enough exp and gold to be worth it. Either right there with a SM or TM at the least, while still giving mats for things that you can gather.
  Abyss Dungeons should be revamped to give more exp as well and their end chests not give out fucking base level cylinders because some fucking idiot thought that was an okay idea.
  Hard mode dungeons should be just harder and longer versions of regular dungeons with a few extra changes to keep them interesting as well as busting their rewards.
  
  Field hunting should give more mats while still being balanced as to not flood the market. Also not every monster on the field should be a weak little speck, even when compared to mid/near end/end game. A lot can be sure, but not every last damn thing >.>; ... Actually a skill set set around hunting things to give archery some more skills would be neat...Hmm..
  
  I also feel like S and R upgrades need a rebalance as well...
• Kenero wrote on 2015-05-29 13:26
  Okay, it's time I presented my solution:
  
  Cloud Summon (or other sleep pet) and Lullaby are now linked together. Meaning if you summon a cloud, lullaby will no longer be applicable, and vice-versa, if you lullaby, cloud summon won't work.
  
  Enemies can only be PET STUNNED once. No matter how much pets you summon, a pet's summoning will only work on enemies. Cloud summoning or other sleep pets will trigger both the pet stun usage and lullaby usage.
  
  Pets that have beneficial treatment, such as Pegasus clearing poison has unlimited use and multiple types such as cloud or pegasus will be able to be use one after another with almost no consequence (this applies to the remove poison, faster regeneration, etc.).
  
  However cloud pets or other healing pet (that can heal upon summoning) will no longer be able to heal wounds and summoning a heal type pet reduces the effective heal (not the faster recovery, just the instant 150 heal) by 25%, up to 3 uses to only 25% of effective recovery if summon continuously. Pets will recover 100% value if no heal type summon is used 15 seconds after the previous desummoning.
  
  
  
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  This will effectively remove "pet spam" but at the same time, keep their value by having their stun and effects still be useful when it needs to be.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-05-29 19:49

  Quote from Kenero;1276796:

  Okay, it's time I presented my solution:
  
  Cloud Summon (or other sleep pet) and Lullaby are now linked together. Meaning if you summon a cloud, lullaby will no longer be applicable, and vice-versa, if you lullaby, cloud summon won't work.
  
  Enemies can only be PET STUNNED once. No matter how much pets you summon, a pet's summoning will only work on enemies. Cloud summoning or other sleep pets will trigger both the pet stun usage and lullaby usage.
  
  Pets that have beneficial treatment, such as Pegasus clearing poison has unlimited use and multiple types such as cloud or pegasus will be able to be use one after another with almost no consequence (this applies to the remove poison, faster regeneration, etc.).
  
  However cloud pets or other healing pet (that can heal upon summoning) will no longer be able to heal wounds and summoning a heal type pet reduces the effective heal (not the faster recovery, just the instant 150 heal) by 25%, up to 3 uses to only 25% of effective recovery if summon continuously. Pets will recover 100% value if no heal type summon is used 15 seconds after the previous desummoning.
  
  
  
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  This will effectively remove "pet spam" but at the same time, keep their value by having their stun and effects still be useful when it needs to be.

  
  I actually really like this. Seems like a good compromise compared to everyone's harsh alteration of existing content, and leaving things as is. Normally I'm against these type of ideas but this rendition seems to nerf it without quite losing the point of them (or complicating things with monster titles).
  
  
  The thing about making both missions and dungeons be experience and gold is that they're going to be really hard to balance with each other. If they aren't balanced, one content will clearly be better and overshadow the other (what is currently going on that makes Dungeons suck in rewards). If they are balanced but share the same rewards, then people are still going to pick one over the other, there is no incentive to do both.
• Slayerj wrote on 2015-05-29 20:11

  Quote from Kapra;1276843:

  
  
  
  The thing about making both missions and dungeons be experience and gold is that they're going to be really hard to balance with each other. If they aren't balanced, one content will clearly be better and overshadow the other (what is currently going on that makes Dungeons suck in rewards). If they are balanced but share the same rewards, then people are still going to pick one over the other, there is no incentive to do both.

  
  
  You do realize that even a 100% balanced thing with dungeons and missions, people will still pick one over the other regardless of anything the other has to offer anyway, right? People have their own tastes in what they like. If the two are balanced completely but one feels more fun to someone, they'll do that instead. If the majority of people feel that way, we're essentially back at square one. We shouldn't' be looking at JUST the rewards. (Which..I kinda did..didn't I? Whoops.)
  
  For instance, a group of friends COULD get together and do the raid on HM in under 3 minutes for a shit load of exp and some decent gold, or they could just run missions and take longer for less payout, yet I don't see droves of people on my server hugging the raid board and hitting level 100+ in an hour or so. I see everyone still running missions.
  
  It's different content that can be MUCH more rewarding, but it's not as fun. Maybe it's more fun AFTER you hit the ranks needed to do the raid on the hardest difficulty in 3 minutes, but that's too much work for people. So almost no one does it.
  
  [SPOILER="I resaid the exact same thing because I lost my train of thought. gg me"]The hardest raid is a massive 500k exp a go, and has some Mari players have shown, it is extremely easy to do it in minutes. Yet that area is a GHOST TOWN. You'd think the ability to get such a crazy amount of exp in mere minutes would be enough of a reason for people to actually train the skills and do the raids currently for crusader exp on lower difficulties, but no such thing anymore at least.[/SPOILER]
• Kapra wrote on 2015-05-29 20:40

  Quote from Slayerj;1276847:

  You do realize that even a 100% balanced thing with dungeons and missions, people will still pick one over the other regardless of anything the other has to offer anyway, right? People have their own tastes in what they like. If the two are balanced completely but one feels more fun to someone, they'll do that instead. If the majority of people feel that way, we're essentially back at square one. We shouldn't' be looking at JUST the rewards. (Which..I kinda did..didn't I? Whoops.)

  
  In a hypothetical alternate universe, imagine Dungeons were the only source of experience in the game, and shadow missions were he only source of exploration experience. Both do essentially give AP as the end product but they both have a limit of how much you can earn in a rebirth cycle, so ideally an active player would be able to reach a self-set level goal for both levels and exploration levels each cycle to fit what they're comfortable with. So even in that universe, people would still decide for themselves how much of which content they're willing to do when they feel like it, and I don't want to fight that either. The issue is the incentive. In this hypothetical universe, an active player would ideally do both dungeons and missions to raise both normal and exploration levels each rebirth cycle.
  
  I don't necessarily want even more AP in the game, but some other well-thought-out reward would sound reasonable. Now from the example I gave, swap out the exploration experience from missions with experience, what would you swap out the experience from dungeons with? That's the question that's been bothering me.
  
  Even if you don't agree with my views, just try to answer my hypothetical question as sort of an entertaining challenge. If dungeons CAN'T have the same reward types as missions, what would you give it? I haven't been able to create a good answer for that. I mean, I have ideas for a content revamp update, but there's no incentive for it. I keep putting off that post because of it.
• Slayerj wrote on 2015-05-29 21:44

  Quote from Kapra;1276855:

  In a hypothetical alternate universe, imagine Dungeons were the only source of experience in the game, and shadow missions were he only source of exploration experience. Both do essentially give AP as the end product but they both have a limit of how much you can earn in a rebirth cycle, so ideally an active player would be able to reach a self-set level goal for both levels and exploration levels each cycle to fit what they're comfortable with. So even in that universe, people would still decide for themselves how much of which content they're willing to do when they feel like it, and I don't want to fight that either. The issue is the incentive. In this hypothetical universe, an active player would ideally do both dungeons and missions to raise both normal and exploration levels each rebirth cycle.
  
  I don't necessarily want even more AP in the game, but some other well-thought-out reward would sound reasonable. Now from the example I gave, swap out the exploration experience from missions with experience, what would you swap out the experience from dungeons with? That's the question that's been bothering me.
  
  Even if you don't agree with my views, just try to answer my hypothetical question as sort of an entertaining challenge. If dungeons CAN'T have the same reward types as missions, what would you give it? I haven't been able to create a good answer for that. I mean, I have ideas for a content revamp update, but there's no incentive for it. I keep putting off that post because of it.

  
  
  Really, the entire reason I came up with the titles was actually due to boredom. I ran a few HM dungeons with a friend (and one ADV hm finally) to get the materials to work on some new gear. But after half an hour I was ready to just stop playing the game completely for the rest of the day (and I did after we finished the first ADV dungeon). It was just the same god damn thing copy and pasted for almost 2 hours total. The same monsters, the same spawns, the same boring ass room. There's NOTHING that ever changed it up. ONLY the mini boss bug bears changed things up..a grand total of fucking twice. It was mind numbing, completely and utterly mind numbing. I went on fucking auto pilot for two rooms and didn't hear a damn thing my friend said over skype. So I thought adding in some tittles to mix things up would fix this problem so not everything would be the same thing, there would be at least SOME difference. I then threw those into SMs and TMs too because..well..it's the same with those, just faster.
  
  As for your question..I don't know. I really don't. I want to say gear and drops but then that undermines crafting, and if you make mats drop form it like we've done now, that just makes those weapons/gear a pain in the ass because of how mind numbingly boring dungeons are right now.
  
  I don't know why I bothered talking about exp and gold. I don't have the slightest clue how to balance stuff like that. I only have raw Ideas with no data to really back them up or balance them.
• callback wrote on 2015-05-30 04:49
  Music rebalance.
  
  ensemble/chorus follows leader's success (or guarantees success. Seriously why not?)
  
  Snare drum uses program 66. It's called a snare drum and there's one in the files sitting unused. Use it.
  
  Singing uses the proper 81-85(m) and 91-95(f).
  
  Master music knowledge available, allows master scrolls like Barry gives which ignore play rank when calculating success.
  
  Master composing title. Allows a new composing mode with 2000/2000/2000(/2000) character limit, but with a 2:30 duration limit.
  
  New instrument: drum kit. Bench style like pianos, uses a full set of percussion sounds. Difficult to learn, but so rewarding to master. Seriously, the current drums are too restrictive, and in a game where electric guitars are a thing, the argument that it would be out of place is no longer valid.
  
  
  
  Normal magic music buffed. Current values maintained, but changed from flat to percentile (healing and stat).
  
  Berserker music now persists after stopping the play for about as long as indigo cotton candy lasts, so the bard can benefit from it.
  
  Magic speed removed. Vivace has that covered.
  
  Aim increase now acts as a flat 15% aim boost at all points of the aim.
  
  Peace persists for a full minute on affected mobs or until they are attacked, as if they were under rain casting.
  
  Big Things Come in Small Packages visual effect added to normal random magic music as an option. Now increases critical damage and effective crit cap of the party instead of crit chance since that was moved to BFO.
  
  
  I'm sure there are other instruments I'd like to see but I can't think of them ATM.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-31 18:16
  Lightning Bolt:
  

  
  
  • Charge damage bonus is now equally divided across all charges.
    
  • Charge damage bonus increased to 50%~. 26% only makes me do 100 more damage, magic weapon or not.
    
  • Charge damage bonus now only occurs when hitting multiple enemies.
    

  
  
  Rest:
  

  
  
  • An option to change rest poses regardless of equipment, with equipment, Rank 9 and 1, and Trans poses being "unlockable". I find the new ninja rest pose atrocious and want the old one back, but then there's some who like the new one.
    
• Kapra wrote on 2015-05-31 23:39

  Quote from Darkboy132;1277016:

  Rest:
  

  
  
  • An option to change rest poses regardless of equipment, with equipment, Rank 9 and 1, and Trans poses being "unlockable". I find the new ninja rest pose atrocious and want the old one back, but then there's some who like the new one.
    

  
  Back on my original char, I went Dark Knight JUST so I can have a similar looking rest pose. No regrets.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-01 02:19

  Quote from Kapra;1277025:

  Back on my original char, I went Dark Knight JUST so I can have a similar looking rest pose. No regrets.

  
  
  Becoming a Dark Knight now gives free cookies daily :D
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-06-06 15:07
  Judgment Blade: When a magic weapon is equipped, Judgment Blade deals "Equipped Weapon Max Damage + (MATK * 10.0)"