New weapon, skills, items, and tweaks you'd like to see!~

• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-06-14 06:46

  Quote from Kapra;1278380:

  Altam's weapon is primarily a Lance, it's Sword as a secondary thing. (Like how Guard Cylinders are primarily Cylinders and partially Shields.)
  
  Which is also the reason why I don't want it to be player obtainable, we don't want to muddy the lines between Lances and Swords.

  
  
  The lines are already about as muddied as they can be, at least until they start adjusting the range of newer swords. Tons of stuff can get piercing and it's not like they're going to give weapons other than lances access to Lance Charge and Lance Counter.
  
  Now, a hybrid sword/lance weapon would be pretty neat. Imagine something that gave access to all melee skills at once.
• Twin wrote on 2015-06-14 07:43

  Quote from Kapra;1278380:

  Altam's weapon is primarily a Lance, it's Sword as a secondary thing. (Like how Guard Cylinders are primarily Cylinders and partially Shields.)
  
  Which is also the reason why I don't want it to be player obtainable, we don't want to muddy the lines between Lances and Swords.

  
  
  It's a Greatsword by form. Greatsword = gigantic sword. Unlike Lances,you can actually slash somewhat more effectively with this. The only common thing I see Altam Greatsword's having with Lances is how unrealistic the weight is.
  
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  Dagger Mastery
  *104Ap
  *R1 adds 1 additional hit to all Daggers(Total 4 hits , 8 dual-wielding)
  *Training slightly longer than Sword Mastery
  *15 Strength and Will is reassigned from Ninja and given to Dagger Mastery. Also adds 10 Agility.
  *R1 Dagger Mastery gives 8-13max damage
  
  
  *Any race can dual-daggers regardless of Armsman Training Rank. (This skill basically removes weapon restrictions with every race,making racial differences damage not weapon choices)
  *All Daggers can be equipped by any race. (Dirk previously Human-only)
  *All Daggers are base fast 3 hit weapons .
  *All Daggers have default lvl1 piercing ,excluding Stiletto Dagger. (lvl2 Piercing)
  *All Daggers have a different stance/attack animation. Can be changed back to default.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-16 07:13
  Knuckle Mastery:
  

  
  
  • Balance changed to Critical Damage and upped to 15%~25%. Knuckles have inheritly large balance so 10% more is moot.
    

  
  
  Chain Mastery:
  

  
  
  • Chain 2 and 3 window increased to 10~15 seconds.
    
  • Chain meter no longer cancels for switching weapons, allowing some room for hybridizing.
    

  
  
  Counter Punch:
  

  
  
  • Damage increased to 400%.
    
  • Critical Damage increased to ~50%.
    
  • Critical Rate is entirely based on the player's rather than the monster's.
    
  • Rank 5 and 1 increase the counter window by 1 second, up to 5 seconds in all.
    
  • Decay damage formula changed to -25% damage at past half the counter window's duration, -50% past 3/4ths the counter window's duration, and -75% past the entire window duration. Why the hell can this thing go as low as 1 damage?
    

  
  
  Somersault Kick:
  

  
  
  • Daze can now be applied on players, and can be re-applied to the same target, but cannot overwrite.
    
  • Daze's Magic/Alchemy cancel effect changed to ~1 sec (rank 1) longer skill loading time, even if they have 0 load time. Disabling magic/alchemy is arguably pointless when it's only effective on Master Lich; this would make it more useful on other mobs, but removes its feature of a crippled Master Lich (which imo a crippled monster is bad).

  
  
  Pummel:
  

  
  
  • The first volley of punches now require button mashing, otherwise it immediately skips to the charged punch.
    

  
  
  Tumble:
  

  
  
  • Knuckle requirement removed.
    
  • Moved to Combat Tab.
    
  • User's position is immediately moved to the landing spot, rather than moving when the skill completes.
    

  
  
  Respite:
  

  
  
  • Load time removed.
    
  • Now a buff instead of an active skill, allowing other skills to be used along with Respite. Movement is no longer restricted, now allowing it to be usable in combat.
    
  • Heals 15~30% HP/SP, ~15% wounds, and cures all debuffs instead of just poison at 100% rate at rank 1.
    
  • Duration increased to 10 seconds to compensate for the boost in recovery.
    
  • Cooldown raised to 5 minutes at Rank F and to 2.5~3 minutes at rank 1.
    
  • New aftereffect: Getting hit during Respite will not only cancel the skill but will also remove all defensive stats, prevents ping from triggering, and/or removes and prevents any and all buffs (such as Overture) for 15 seconds. So while it's usable in combat, carelessness can lead to all that restored health taken away.
    

  
  
  Sword/Axe/Blunt Mastery:
  

  
  
  • Smash Debuffs moved to their respective weapon masteries.
    
  • Debuffs can now be triggered by all Close Combat skills. Rates remain the same, but are reduced by half for fast multi-hitting attacks (Normal Attack, Bash, Assault Slash) or area of effect attacks (Windmill, Charge, Assault Splash, Rage Impact; doesn't apply to Smash splash), and reduced to 10% for Final Hit.
    
  • Debuff rates for area of effects are no longer separate for the initial target and splashed targets.
    
  • Debuffs can no longer be overwritten.
    
  • Sword's Bleed now deals 20% (Elf) / 25% (Human) / 30% (Giant) damage and now forces the enemy to walk. Duration increased to 10 seconds.
    
  • Blunt's Daze now causes the enemy's skills to take ~0.5 (Elf) / ~0.75 (Human) / ~1 (Giant) second longer to load OR longer stun. Duration lowered to 10 seconds.
    
  • Axe's Defense/Protection decrease is changed to Critical Weakness, causing the enemy to take ~25% (Elf/Human) / ~30% (Giant) axe critical damage and ~15% other weapon critical damage. Duration lowered to 10 seconds.
    
  • Sword Mastery's balance is changed to balance cap, but lowered to 5%~10%.
    
  • Blunt Mastery now has +15 min damage.
    
  • Blunt Mastery now inherits Axe Mastery's Armor Pierce.
    
  • Axe Mastery's critical rate is changed to critical cap, but lowered to 5%~10%.
    
  • Dual Wielding only takes half the masteries' bonuses into account, but still applies them twice.
    
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-06-16 08:33
  [SIZE="5"]Alchemy - Setting the baseline[/SIZE]
  
  Alchemic Damage
  Afforded via talents, enchants, reforges, and stats.
  
  Alchemy Efficiency
  Afforded via skill masteries and reforges.
  
  Alchemy Affinity
  Afforded via cylinders and Elemental Marbles.
  
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  Alchemy skills are now adjusted to utilize Intelligence and Willpower instead of Health, Mana, and Stamina.
  Alchemic damage is displayed on the character window. Hovering over the base value displays specific element damage.
  
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/ReozwpF.png]

  
  
  Elemental Marble Changes:
  
  Elemental marbles no longer increase health, mana, and stamina. The new effects follow:
  
  Fire
  +5~25% Fire Affinity
  
  Water
  +5~25% Water Affinity
  
  Clay
  +5~25% Clay Affinity
  
  Wind
  +5~25% Wind Affinity
  
  Golden Time
  Instantly fills the elemental marbles and enables immediate use of Elemental Wave.
  Marble Bonus: +50~100% (rank dependent)
  Alchemy Skill Cooldowns: -0~-20% (rank dependent)
  
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  With all skills at Rank 1, Golden Time would temporarily grant +50% alchemy affinity and -20% alchemy skill cooldowns. Added to an Abyss Cylinder, this would update your affinity to:
  
  +86% Water
  +38% All others
• Kapra wrote on 2015-06-16 08:47
  
  
  • Dual Wield Mastery
    
    
    • Balance changed. Currently it gives 0 balance at N~C, 1 starting B, and 15 at 1. Changed to a 30 balance penalty when dual wielding at rN, and have it go down to a 15% balance penalty at r1. Currently dual wielding gives balance, and if anything, the opposite makes more sense.
      
    • Dual Wield Mastery currently gives 1% auto defense per rank starting r5, culminating to 5% auto defense at rank 1. This is changed to -25% auto defense at rN when dual wielding, and lowered to -15% auto defense at r1. If you are at 0% auto defense before dual wielding, no change is observed. If you get auto defense from armor then equip dual weapons, your armor defense is either reduced or negated depending on how much auto defense your equipment provided.
      
    • r1 Dual Wield Mastery still gives 9 Armor Pierce, but it starts giving Armor Pierce sooner in the ranks. Right now it doesn't start until r4 and it shoots up sporadically, doesn't seem right.
      
    
    

  
  Dual Wielding just makes no sense to me currently.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-16 09:26

  Quote from Kapra;1278564:

  
  
  • Dual Wield Mastery
    
    
    • Balance changed. Currently it gives 0 balance at N~C, 1 starting B, and 15 at 1. Changed to a 30 balance penalty when dual wielding at rN, and have it go down to a 15% balance penalty at r1. Currently dual wielding gives balance, and if anything, the opposite makes more sense.
      
    • Dual Wield Mastery currently gives 1% auto defense per rank starting r5, culminating to 5% auto defense at rank 1. This is changed to -25% auto defense at rN when dual wielding, and lowered to -15% auto defense at r1. If you are at 0% auto defense before dual wielding, no change is observed. If you get auto defense from armor then equip dual weapons, your armor defense is either reduced or negated depending on how much auto defense your equipment provided.
      
    
    

  
  Dual Wielding just makes no sense to me currently.

  
  
  So, negative balance and negative auto defense? I think that might end up offsetting Heavy Armor Mastery's boon while amplifying it's negative effects, but I do understand where you're coming from with negative balance. I do agree that DWM doesn't make sense, and I'd rather see completely different effects or just an outright removal for it; extra damage is unnecessary and the added balance and crit rate make it far more easy to reach their caps. I can somewhat understand the auto-defense being a "dual sword parry", but then there's the Defense skill and shields for that.
  
  
  

  
  
  • Protection ignore for Crit Rate removed completely. Reaching 100%~ is pretty damn easy.
    
  • Will to Crit ratio changed from 10:1 -> 15:1 or 20:1.
    
  • Luck to Crit ratio changed from 5:1 -> 7.5:1 or 10:1.
    
• Daniel1235 wrote on 2015-06-16 12:02

  Quote from Kaeporo;1278563:

  With all skills at Rank 1, Golden Time would temporarily grant +50% alchemy affinity and -20% alchemy skill cooldowns. Added to an Abyss Cylinder, this would update your affinity to:
  
  +86% Water
  +38% All others

  
  
  1 question: Does this apply to other versions of [S]abyss[/S]Demonic cylinders (namly, Demonic Hellfire Cylinder since the other two for wind [Demonic Tempest Cylinder] and clay [Demonic Inner Core Cylinder] are unknown if they ever going to be implanted)? (and by that I mean, equiping hellfire helps fire affinity, wind->wind affinity and clay->clay affinity)
  
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  Quote from Kapra;1278564:

  
  
  • Dual Wield Mastery
    
    
    • Balance changed. Currently it gives 0 balance at N~C, 1 starting B, and 15 at 1. Changed to a 30 balance penalty when dual wielding at rN, and have it go down to a 15% balance penalty at r1. Currently dual wielding gives balance, and if anything, the opposite makes more sense.
      
    • Dual Wield Mastery currently gives 1% auto defense per rank starting r5, culminating to 5% auto defense at rank 1. This is changed to -25% auto defense at rN when dual wielding, and lowered to -15% auto defense at r1. If you are at 0% auto defense before dual wielding, no change is observed. If you get auto defense from armor then equip dual weapons, your armor defense is either reduced or negated depending on how much auto defense your equipment provided.
      
    • r1 Dual Wield Mastery still gives 9 Armor Pierce, but it starts giving Armor Pierce sooner in the ranks. Right now it doesn't start until r4 and it shoots up sporadically, doesn't seem right.
      
    
    

  
  Dual Wielding just makes no sense to me currently.

  
  
  May I offer my alternative?
  
  [SIZE="5"]Dual Wield Mastery Changes[/SIZE]
  

  
  
  • Instead of instant learning unpon dual wield [making this impossible to aquire for elves], you will need certain skills ranked in order to get a quest to learn about dual wielding. Requirements are: r5 Combat Mastery and r5 for all Close combat weapon masteries. As you don't get the skill as you dual wield [actually, you can't dual wield at all until learning the skill! more details later], You will be taken to an RP mission Rping yourself with the skill and will be guided by Master Tin, much like the beginner combat guide quests.
    
  • NO race can dual wield ANYTHING until learning the skill. After learning and ranking to rF, any race would be able to dual wield 1handed swords [this includes giants!!!Note: A giant CAN dual wield Great Sword and Vales Great Sword after learning Dual Wield Mastery as those are wielded (but mainly sheathed as) 1handed weapon]. At rank 9, blunts are dual-wieldable and at rank5, axes.
    
  • Balance bonus removed.
    
  • Critical bonus removed.
    
  • Auto-defence chance when dual wielding removed.
    
  • Damage bonus has been altered and will be added starting rank5 up to +6 max damage and +3 min damage [I still think dual wielding should have a SLIGHT edge over no-dual-wielding].
    

  
  
  Edit: words painted in dark red are my side-notes.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-06-16 20:59
  I want dual wielding to have a slight disadvantage over regular weapons in a non-damage aspect. In real life, if you try to use two swords (or two of any weapon really), you'd be at a significant disadvantage. Plus in a mechanical way, dual wielding always being better than nondual wielding doesn't make sense either.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-16 21:23

  Quote from Kapra;1278675:

  I want dual wielding to have a slight disadvantage over regular weapons in a non-damage aspect. In real life, if you try to use two swords (or two of any weapon really), you'd be at a significant disadvantage. Plus in a mechanical way, dual wielding always being better than nondual wielding doesn't make sense either.

  
  
  Oh don't get me wrong, I'm all for advantages and disadvantages. I'm worried with the negative balance combined with Heavy Armor's negative dex will often result in really low numbers.
  
  

  
  
  • Dual Wield Mastery: Uhh, make a second hit come out from every close combat skill with less damage... Something something disadvantage.
    
  • Shield Mastery: -10% Damage decrease if a right-hand weapon is equipped alongside.
    
  • Two-Handed Weapon Mastery: Uh... Make its 20% Damage and 5% Crit Rate from Smash universal? Some sort of disadvantage.
    
  • Single Weapon Mastery: No advantages, but no disadvantages. (So not an actual skill)
    

  
  
  But these are just off the top of my head. @_@
  
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  Give every shield this attack animation, from the Royal Crystal Wing Shield.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-06-16 21:39

  Quote from Darkboy132;1278680:

  Oh don't get me wrong, I'm all for advantages and disadvantages. I'm worried with the negative balance combined with Heavy Armor's negative dex will often result in really low numbers.
  
  

  
  
  • Dual Wield Mastery: Uhh, make a second hit come out from every close combat skill with less damage... Something something disadvantage.
    Its extremely hard to find a balancing mechanic when you do that. I'd say a forced decrease of balance would work.
    
  • Shield Mastery: -10% Damage decrease if a right-hand weapon is equipped alongside.
    I'm more for a speed decrease for medium class shields, and not being able to charge with large-class WITH the speed decrease.
    
  • Two-Handed Weapon Mastery: Uh... Make its 20% Damage and 5% Crit Rate from Smash universal? Some sort of disadvantage.
    Severe decrease in defense. Since there isn't an inherent reach idea and balance is already attached for dual wielding, you can easily justify it not being as easy to block.
    
  • Single Weapon Mastery: No advantages, but no disadvantages. (So not an actual skill)
    

  
  
  But these are just off the top of my head. @_@
  
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  Give every shield this attack animation, from the Royal Crystal Wing Shield.

  
  
  SHIELD BASH
  WHEN.
• Tropa wrote on 2015-06-17 04:30
  Crystalline Glacial Shield
  A shield that s made out of hillwen alloy and ice that gives off a chilling mist that lingers on it's surface.
  

  8 Defense
  5 Protection
  5 Magic Def
  3 Magic Prot
  18 Durability
  3 Upgrade Slots
  10 Chilling Touch points

  
  Chilling Touch
  Enemies who attack the user will have their movement speed reduced by 15% for 5 seconds.
  Enemies who attack the user while defending will have their movement speed reduced by 30% for 10 seconds.
  
  Hillwen Engineering[Rank 3]
  Kite Shield x1
  Hillwen Alloy x15
  Hexagonal Nuts x8
  Hexagonal Bolts x8
  Ice Rose x1
  Cryogenic Crystal x3
  
  Cryogenic Crystal
  White Dragon Raid - Rare
  L-rodding in physis - Rare
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-17 04:54

  Quote from Esileruf;1278686:

  SHIELD BASH
  WHEN.

  
  
  It's exclusive to the Royal Crystal Wing Shield. :/
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-18 06:02
  Urgent Shot:
  

  
  
  • Convert it to a passive or toggle skill that only increases aim speed of the next archer skill after a failed shot.
    
  • New effect: Passively causes the boosted shot to disregard Evasion by ~50%. Magnum and Crash disregards at a ~25% rate instead.
    
  • The boosted shot consumes 1.5x more stamina.
    
  • All ranks affect the aim speed, rather than only a select few.
    

  
  
  Magnum Shot:
  

  
  
  • Now knocks back enemies with Shield Defense.
    

  
  
  New Skill: Disruptive Shot:
  

  
  
  • Fires an aimable single shot that immediately cancels Defense skill, Magic Natural Shield, and Charge. The objective here is to give archers a way to counter melee's and magic's counters that completely shut down archery, though there's probably better ways to do that.
    
  • Deals 150% damage.
    
  • Does not trigger range ping.
    
  • Has a cooldown of 7.5 seconds.
    
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-06-18 06:20

  Quote from Darkboy132;1278971:

  [SPOILER=" "]Urgent Shot:
  

  
  
  • Convert it to a passive or toggle skill that only increases aim speed of the next archer skill after a failed shot.
    
  • New effect: Passively causes the boosted shot to disregard Evasion by ~50%. Magnum and Crash disregards at a ~25% rate instead.
    
  • The boosted shot consumes 1.5x more stamina.
    
  • All ranks affect the aim speed, rather than only a select few.
    

  
  
  Magnum Shot:
  

  
  
  • Now knocks back enemies with Shield Defense.
    

  
  
  New Skill: Disruptive Shot:
  

  
  
  • Fires an aimable single shot that immediately cancels Defense skill, Magic Natural Shield, and Charge. The objective here is to give archers a way to counter melee's and magic's counters that completely shut down archery, though there's probably better ways to do that.
    
  • Deals 150% damage.
    
  • Does not trigger range ping.
    
  • Has a cooldown of 7.5 seconds.
    

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  Nope to everything sans the first change to Urgent Shot. It's retarded to balance the game with PVP features in mind and roughly 0% of enemies even have natural shield/charge. There's also no reason to further punish shield usage. That particular mechanic is of greater benefit to mobs than players.
  
  If anything, they need to add a new hard-hitting AOE ranged skill (w/cooldown) and speed up Crash Shot. Elves also need some sort of distinction that makes the race worth using over Humans/Giants. Bumping Arrow Revolver and Ranged Attack up sound like a decent idea in the current generation of Mabinogi: Final Hit.
  
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  The ideal solution to most of our game balance issues revolve around either nerfing players or buffing mobs and we all know that DevCat will never do either of those things intentionally.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-18 06:28

  Quote from Kaeporo;1278973:

  Nope to everything sans the first change to Urgent Shot. It's retarded to balance the game with PVP features in mind and roughly 0% of enemies even have natural shield/charge. There's also no reason to further punish shield usage. That particular mechanic is of greater benefit to mobs than players.
  
  If anything, they need to add a new hard-hitting AOE ranged skill (w/cooldown) and speed up Crash Shot.

  
  
  Archers are pretty defenseless though aren't they? Defense shielded or not, Evasion, Charge, and Natural Shield counters 99% of the entire skillset. Maybe Spider Shot but that has a fairly long cooldown. Archer Counter and the current Urgent Shot really fails to serve as an self-defense measure since the former can't load any archer skills and the latter is easily blockable.