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foreignreign wrote on 2012-08-02 07:39
Quote from Darkboy132;924622:
In Singleshot and Gnoll King... was that Slashing High?
Also, her trans was modeled after the ladies... I see a pattern here.
Well, yes, why wouldn't she use the same trans model as the other females?
The only character who has a unique trans model is Karok and well... he's Karok.
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Hiccup wrote on 2012-08-02 07:40
If Vella is as OP as every new char I'll prob make one, but if she plays and feels just like Lann, it wont last.
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Oizen wrote on 2012-08-02 07:44
Quote from Hiccup;924632:
If Vella is as OP as every new char I'll prob make one, but if she plays and feels just like Lann, it wont last.
Dont all the melee characters feel a little too similar to eachother?
Pillar/Cestus Karok, Sword/Hammer Fiona, Sword/Spear Lann, and Scythe Evie all pretty much do the same thing with very slight differences.
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Hiccup wrote on 2012-08-02 07:51
Quote from OizenX;924634:
Dont all the melee characters feel a little too similar to eachother?
Pillar/Cestus Karok, Sword/Hammer Fiona, Sword/Spear Lann, and Scythe Evie all pretty much do the same thing with very slight differences.
I guess, but Karok feels way different then all of em.
Hammer Fiona feels like Scythe Evie.
But Vella is like eeeeeerily similar to Lann, which throws me off.
[SIZE="1"](all melee in hackandslash feels the same)[/SIZE]
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Elleanior wrote on 2012-08-02 08:09
Quote from Hiccup;924637:
I guess, but Karok feels way different then all of em.
Hammer Fiona feels like Scythe Evie.
But Vella is like eeeeeerily similar to Lann, which throws me off.
[SIZE="1"](all melee in hackandslash feels the same)[/SIZE]
They're both whipping around a weight at the end of a stick. I wouldn't expect anything else.
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Hiccup wrote on 2012-08-02 08:15
Quote from Elleanior;924648:
They're both whipping around a weight at the end of a stick. I wouldn't expect anything else.
I whip around the weight of my stick every day, all day.
I don't play like them.
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Invertex wrote on 2012-08-02 08:23
And I believe RaidHunter's comments from his video description of his Giant Polar Bear solo warrants reposting.
Quote from RaidHunter:
Although Vella is still incompleted hero
I think she needs more buff..
Nothing is better than sword lann
I also did a rough calculation (I have the math on me), Vella's combined percentile from all 3 Deadly Gale hits is 0.115. That's all 3 hits combined mind you. That's a bit below a single Double Crescent, a single Gliding Fury, it's quite a bit lower than both pre and post Ignition Pummel Storm. In other words it's not better than Sword Lann at all.
So yeah. Not OP as is as her damage is worse than current Sword Lann. And that gap will only grow once Ignition comes around.
Also everyone does the same thing, do damage and kill boss. If we want to get that abstract everything is just one damage dealing and avoiding blob.
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OnlyAChance wrote on 2012-08-02 08:29
Does Vella has the SAME Weapon as Lann..?
[Like they sharing 1 Weapon each other?]
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Oizen wrote on 2012-08-02 09:06
Quote from Hiccup;924637:
I guess, but Karok feels way different then all of em.
Hammer Fiona feels like Scythe Evie.
But Vella is like eeeeeerily similar to Lann, which throws me off.
[SIZE="1"](all melee in hackandslash feels the same)[/SIZE]
My point is, this game needs less melee.
How about a new Mage? Someone with rifles, someone who summons stuff.
Something new.
Quote from Invertex;924659:
And I believe RaidHunter's comments from his video description of his Giant Polar Bear solo warrants reposting.
I also did a rough calculation (I have the math on me), Vella's combined percentile from all 3 Deadly Gale hits is 0.115. That's all 3 hits combined mind you. That's a bit below a single Double Crescent, a single Gliding Fury, it's quite a bit lower than both pre and post Ignition Pummel Storm. In other words it's not better than Sword Lann at all.
So yeah. Not OP as is as her damage is worse than current Sword Lann. And that gap will only grow once Ignition comes around.
Also everyone does the same thing, do damage and kill boss. If we want to get that abstract everything is just one damage dealing and avoiding blob.
I've been more impressed with Vella's reach than her damage. I'm curious if you have any info on that.
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Invertex wrote on 2012-08-02 09:36
I don't have much distance information. But given that there's absolutely no invincibility and such on those moves, you can't spam them like a Kai can spam arrows.
So all she has is range. Which is sort of useless for a melee character. Arguably it does slot her into the "easier to play/safer but has lower damage" role, but that role really doesn't have much place in how Vindi currently plays. Karok, Fiona, Lann, and Scythe Evie all can get in do damage and stay relatively close while staying relatively safe: and they all do more damage.
Staff Evie and Kai can somewhat get away since they actually stay a tiny bit away. So they stay sort of safe while also doing damage.
She's balanced at best, a bit weak at worst.
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Hiccup wrote on 2012-08-02 09:50
Quote from OizenX;924675:
My point is, this game needs less melee.
How about a new Mage? Someone with rifles, someone who summons stuff.
Something new.
I can't really see rifle's working in Vindi at all, Lore wise. But I can see them putting it in anyway since we have Cestus. I'm thinking an Alchemy class should be in next.
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Oizen wrote on 2012-08-02 10:26
Quote from Invertex;924690:
I don't have much distance information. But given that there's absolutely no invincibility and such on those moves, you can't spam them like a Kai can spam arrows.
So all she has is range. Which is sort of useless for a melee character. Arguably it does slot her into the "easier to play/safer but has lower damage" role, but that role really doesn't have much place in how Vindi currently plays. Karok, Fiona, Lann, and Scythe Evie all can get in do damage and stay relatively close while staying relatively safe: and they all do more damage.
Staff Evie and Kai can somewhat get away since they actually stay a tiny bit away. So they stay sort of safe while also doing damage.
She's balanced at best, a bit weak at worst.
I imagine she'll rape anything that isnt a raid then
Quote from Hiccup;924697:
I can't really see rifle's working in Vindi at all, Lore wise. But I can see them putting it in anyway since we have Cestus. I'm thinking an Alchemy class should be in next.
yes. I want a leymore.
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Invertex wrote on 2012-08-02 10:36
Quote from OizenX;924719:
I imagine she'll rape anything that isnt a raid then
As does Spear Lann, but that didn't stop him from getting buffed with Ignition.
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Oizen wrote on 2012-08-02 10:44
Quote from Invertex;924723:
As does Spear Lann, but that didn't stop him from getting buffed with Ignition.
Well duh. Those parts of the game dont matter. Only raids matter.
Now, I'm curious is vella post ignition right? So does this mean her damage %'s are more finalized?
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Invertex wrote on 2012-08-02 10:49
Quote from OizenX;924725:
Well duh. Those parts of the game dont matter. Only raids matter.
Now, I'm curious is vella post ignition right? So does this mean her damage %'s are more finalized?
Ignition already happened in KR, the rest of S2 is happening before Vella (iirc).
It's probably not very finalized since Kai got about 2 percentile adjustments pre-Ignition. They'll adjust Vella to be stronger or weaker as needed.