G13 Class System

• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-07-28 01:37

  Quote from oddy231;107187:

  I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to the people that that don't give explanations and just complain. The only reason I've stuck with this game is in the hope that something like this would happen. I never though that people would react this way to it though. If it's not released then I have no reason to play anymore, I'll like buy an Xbox or something to do when I'm bored, I don't know.

  
  
  It's human nature to fear change. It seems that the longer you've played Mabinogi, the less you'll enjoy the class system.
• Taliya wrote on 2010-07-28 01:38
  Maybe I should make a thread and cry about how giants can't use Range Attack.
• Kazuni wrote on 2010-07-28 01:41

  Quote from Axx;106721:

  They can't just change the class system without overhauling the combat system. Pretty much everyone in Mabinogi right now is 'DPS'. You have to be, you don't have any other option. There are no 'tanks', unless you are one of an elite group of people going the Mana Master route. Even then, your tanking ability is in MP, not HP, so there's no use for a healer (and potions > healer class, anyways). There are no buffs. There's no role for anything BUT a DPS class in Mabinogi. It doesn't seem like the class system change is changing this--knights are DPS, not tank. Alchemists may be intended for support, but they'll still die in one hit from mobs so they're going to focus on DPS (can't get hit if you kill it first). Wizards, actually, may be able to tank, what with 1,000+ MP and mana shield, but they'll probably be better served focusing on DPS. Merchants aren't a combat class. Dunno how that bard skill works, but it's probably not effective on stronger mobs (aka useless), so they'll focus on their range, which is DPS.

  
  
  Mages don't get 1k+ mp, the mp from leveling up was actually from aging up or something. They have average mp+ a bit.
  
  
  

  Quote from Taliya;107195:

  Maybe I should make a thread and cry about how giants can't use Range Attack.

  
  
  Nobody's forcing you to read or post in this thread. If you're unhappy or have a problem with people voicing how they feel about the new class system, you could always just stay away and keep yourself happy.
• Taliya wrote on 2010-07-28 01:46
  And if you don't like how I'm posting you can just go as well. My point is that people shouldn't be whining just because they can't get everything they want, plain and simple.
• JustNoOne wrote on 2010-07-28 01:48
  Don't attack eachother's opinion people, the moment you do you have lost your advantage in a debate. (That's what I feel =P)
  
  It also starts a flame war.
• oddy231 wrote on 2010-07-28 01:49

  Quote from Kaeporo;107193:

  It's human nature to fear change. It seems that the longer you've played Mabinogi, the less you'll enjoy the class system.

  
  
  And that's one thing I hate about human nature. People at my school were flipping out when Obama became president. "It's the end of America! He's going to turn us socialist!" as if that would even really be a bad thing.
  
  I've played this game since open beta, and all I've ever wanted to do was magic. And I though I could too, I mean everyone was so weak that clearing ciar advanced was like the greatest accomplishment in the world. But as the game and it's player progressed magic got more or less stuck in the same place. I created an elf in hopes of the extra trans mana and natural mp would fix my problems but it didn't. So I've been waiting for that one update that will make it so with magic I can do as well as melee and ranged in anything. This hopefully is that update.
  
  The only thing keeping me to it is the game mechanics. I know that if I want to play a game with classes then I could just go play a different game. But it's Mabinogi's magic that I like, not any other game's.
  
  

  Quote from JustNoOne;107191:

  Ohh I know you we're referring to me, I mean you didn't even post my username with that post nor do I feel that you're directing that post to me.
  
  I also feel like there are some people that just post and think that Mabinogi will work with the class system as well, they just exclaim that this is a great system without giving it a serious thought on the future of Mabinogi after this update. I'd just want to state that there are people that claim this system can "improve" Mabinogi without giving this idea plenty amount of time and that you shouldn't be just stating that these people that feel that Mabinogi and the class system doesn't work don't put any thought to the matter at all.

  
  
  Ah I see, I thought that you thought I was attacking you. I honestly don't see how this could impact the game that much. I mean yeah there will be class specific skills and armors or armor, but that's it pretty much. Mabinogi is still Mabinogi. I've thought about this and I'm willing to take all those restrictions to do that I like to do in this game.
• Taliya wrote on 2010-07-28 01:59

  Quote from JustNoOne;107206:

  Don't attack eachother's opinion people, the moment you do you have lost your advantage in a debate. (That's what I feel =P)
  
  It also starts a flame war.

  
  
  Maybe people should stop thinking its all about them and realize its not a personal attack.
• Kazuni wrote on 2010-07-28 02:06

  Quote from Taliya;107221:

  Maybe people should stop thinking its all about them and realize its not a personal attack.

  
  
  Maybe you should look at the way you're talking to people and how people see you as well.
• Serathx wrote on 2010-07-28 02:08

  Quote from Kazuni;107236:

  Maybe you should look at the way you're talking to people and how people see you as well.

  
  
  Yes~
• Taliya wrote on 2010-07-28 02:08
  Forgive me for not using my kindest words, but this is a debate, and as harsh as my words may be there's still valid points being made.
• Groffy wrote on 2010-07-28 02:09
  Ok, from the speculation, I believe that what our characters are right now, is one of the classes. Use of all skills but no bonuses to stats or skills. While the other classes will have specific stat bonuses and weapon/skill advantages.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-07-28 02:25
  I'll be upset if the following things happen,
  - The class system is removed
  - G14 doesn't launch with at least one new ranged skill, considering that magic now has 22 skills while range has a total of five (human) or six (elf).
• Finnea wrote on 2010-07-28 03:11

  Quote from JustNoOne;107183:

  Sure it would be great it you can make those skills better. Sure it would be great if you get a few more skills added.
  
  It's not great to limit these classes the skills they earned or to limit other classes of these "class skills".

  
  
  Well, it's their choice. I have AR but I don't use it. I went through the trouble to get it, but I couldn't care less if someone suddenly took it away from me. Still, it'll be there if I ever want to use it. If that need occurs, then i can just rebirth into a bard and use it. Ofcourse this varies from person to person. and it comes down to the whole "fear of change" thing all of us do.
  
  Also, well, if you think about it most of the basic skills are limited from the classes only allowing them to use those skills. Also down attack is available to Adventurers.
  
  

  Quote from Kaeporo;107193:

  It's human nature to fear change. It seems that the longer you've played Mabinogi, the less you'll enjoy the class system.

  
  
  Yup. It's human nature to fear change, and for the most part if you can't get past that it changed. It will always bug you. So, why don't we get past this? Then we can just be happy or just live with it I guess.
  
  

  Quote from Taliya;107195:

  Maybe I should make a thread and cry about how giants can't use Range Attack.

  
  
  uhh. No? Why would you want it anyway. Plus it's not like they don't have any ranged attacks, it's just that they don't have "Ranged Attack." This is totally irrelevent anyway. I get what you're saying but honestly if people want to cry about something just let them get it out of their systems.
• JustNoOne wrote on 2010-07-28 03:26

  Quote from Finnea;107316:

  Well, it's their choice. I have AR but I don't use it. I went through the trouble to get it, but I couldn't care less if someone suddenly took it away from me. Still, it'll be there if I ever want to use it. If that need occurs, then i can just rebirth into a bard and use it. Ofcourse this varies from person to person. and it comes down to the whole "fear of change" thing all of us do.
  

  
  
  Well yes, there are people that want to use certain skills and others that don't even if they have the skill. I just don't feel it's right to strip the person of an ability if they want to use it when the player switches class. Of course it's different from person to person, I'm just concerned for those that want to use skills regardless of classes; they are given a bone with the class system and I don't believe it's wise to make the player wait 1 week to have access to the skill, I mean... why wait 1 week to rebirth and use the skill when you can just use it right after you decide you want to?
  
  I feel that allowing classes have access to all the skills is the best option, it pleases to those that want to use skills regardless of classes and it doesn't really affect those that want to restrict themselves to classes.
• Byte wrote on 2010-07-28 03:46

  Quote from Taliya;107203:

  And if you don't like how I'm posting you can just go as well. My point is that people shouldn't be whining just because they can't get everything they want, plain and simple.

  
  
  

  Quote from Taliya;107221:

  Maybe people should stop thinking its all about them and realize its not a personal attack.

  
  
  

  Quote from Taliya;107238:

  Forgive me for not using my kindest words, but this is a debate, and as harsh as my words may be there's still valid points being made.

  
  
  No, debates aren't meant to bash other members. You shall stop, or you'll be punished.
  
  

  Quote from Kazuni;107236:

  Maybe you should look at the way you're talking to people and how people see you as well.

  
  
  I know you're trying to do well, but, stay on topic, and report the posts next time.