G13 Class System

• Kazuni wrote on 2010-07-27 05:26

  Quote from hengsheng120;106223:

  apparently someone said we are actually late, because gm said that we'll catch up to korea by early 2010 lol.

  
  
  Yeah, I heard that last year.
• Juno wrote on 2010-07-27 05:46
  OH what? It's 2010 already?
  
  Good thing I don't set my calendars according to nexon @_@. I was just thinking I had remembered wrong and that they said we'd catch up in 2012 or something.
• Tatsigi wrote on 2010-07-27 15:29

  Quote from Kaeporo;105833:

  I love how the Merchant class can't even train all of the life skills. ****ing useless
  
  It would make far more sense to combine Bard and Merchant than to combine Bard with ranged skills. That would stop (human) archers from complaining about the merge. Nothing against music related skills, it's just that I want to be refered to as an archer and not a bard.
  
  Also, NO ONE wants to play the support role. It's awful. You have to depend on others for experience and levels, you have to depend on others for damage and ultimately, you're pretty much useless. You have nothing to show for it. Lure of Ballad is an awful skill and is completely useless when playing solo.
  
  Of course people will tell you to party up. Pretty sure that Knights, Wizards and Alchemists don't have to party up. They mention Arrow Revolver and Magnum Spam. Yeah, that's all archers can do. They say that it's all we need to be able to do. We kill ourselves out of boredom.
  
  How about YOU support my range.

  
  
  I have no problem being a support character, and that is what i do when Bolts/Thunder isnt needed. I have capped party heal and have rank 5 healing. In dungeons like Mysterious Arrow and some Peaca Rooms where I can't do anything, I try my best to keep everyone alive with heal. People may not show it, but they really appreciate support characters (unless your being a healer in shadow wiz basic or provo basic.) I would also not mind to support your range. I Was saying Enchant should be modified a little or new supprt skills should be added. for example, I think mages should be able to add elements to weapons for lets say 20 extra dmage. Or we should have a spell to raise the party defense. Plus i want the raise or renew skill from FF. I hate carrying feathers.
  
  I understand (somewat) that y'all want your skills, but this seems like the best comprimise. People who want to be pure can be pure for loss of some skills. Hybrids can still do what they want at the loss of new skills. Also nexon is a major dbag, but they would screw adventurers over like that. They would implement skills for y'all. Since y'all are hybrids maybe you will get an attack that takes from two combat tabs. Like Blaze seems more like an adventurer only skills cause it requires str and int (melee and magic) or crash shot/mirage missle should be adventurer only because according to the skills description they both use the principal of magic. Hmm, while I am talking about adventurer only skills. Elven magic missle and umm. I'll think of more later. I am still rooting for the class system.
• Finnea wrote on 2010-07-27 15:41
  ^^^
  
  Just popping back in for a second, it seems a little heated x-x. First of all notice the "Support shot" skill. This doesn't mean you cannot be a range and not be simply a DPS class(because that's more or less what you are anyway.) There's nothing wrong with it, and you chose it so why complain about it. Also, just because you are a support class doesn't mean you have absolutely no ability on your own (you're technically support unless you're a tank anyway.) I am a player who has always chosen the support characters, and I've never had any complications playing outside a group doing things other classes solo. It's just a little more effort on your part for something you enjoy.
• Axx wrote on 2010-07-27 18:38
  They can't just change the class system without overhauling the combat system. Pretty much everyone in Mabinogi right now is 'DPS'. You have to be, you don't have any other option. There are no 'tanks', unless you are one of an elite group of people going the Mana Master route. Even then, your tanking ability is in MP, not HP, so there's no use for a healer (and potions > healer class, anyways). There are no buffs. There's no role for anything BUT a DPS class in Mabinogi. It doesn't seem like the class system change is changing this--knights are DPS, not tank. Alchemists may be intended for support, but they'll still die in one hit from mobs so they're going to focus on DPS (can't get hit if you kill it first). Wizards, actually, may be able to tank, what with 1,000+ MP and mana shield, but they'll probably be better served focusing on DPS. Merchants aren't a combat class. Dunno how that bard skill works, but it's probably not effective on stronger mobs (aka useless), so they'll focus on their range, which is DPS.
• torque1989 wrote on 2010-07-27 18:41
  but really what about those chars that have tabs maxed out like i have a lot of combat skill r5+ along with range skills also i have my magics very high up and if i get to where i cant use a certain set ive worked hard on thats bull and as for switching your class thats bull too cause for 3 week (for free rb) you have to get either -HP (mages) or -mp(knights) and after that rb what are your stats gonna be at everyone is forgetting your stats are gonna be crap once you rb into a different class so going from mage to knight isnt that great cause you will have no str or hp and vice versa for having no int or mp
• Kayate wrote on 2010-07-27 18:50
  this is dumb all the hard work of other players would be ruined din mere seconds
• Lan wrote on 2010-07-27 18:54

  Quote from kayate;106736:

  this is dumb all the hard work of other players would be ruined din mere seconds

  
  
  Do I really have to say it?
• oddy231 wrote on 2010-07-27 20:29

  Quote from Lan;106739:

  Do I really have to say it?

  
  
  Most of the people that don't like it aren't even thinking about. Classes and Mabinogi in the same sentence and stuff hits the fan.
• Tatsigi wrote on 2010-07-27 20:42

  Quote from oddy231;106855:

  Most of the people that don't like it aren't even thinking about. Classes and Mabinogi in the same sentence and stuff hits the fan.

  
  
  Agreed.
• Chockeh wrote on 2010-07-27 20:50
  Actually I kinda change my opinion on this. I keep thinking something like, great, now I have to choose a class.
  Keep forgetting you can stay as an adventurer, so this is actually pretty great.
  Though I do want to master something without any sacrifices...
• Finnea wrote on 2010-07-28 01:02

  Quote from Axx;106721:

  They can't just change the class system without overhauling the combat system. Pretty much everyone in Mabinogi right now is 'DPS'. You have to be, you don't have any other option. There are no 'tanks', unless you are one of an elite group of people going the Mana Master route. Even then, your tanking ability is in MP, not HP, so there's no use for a healer (and potions > healer class, anyways). There are no buffs. There's no role for anything BUT a DPS class in Mabinogi. It doesn't seem like the class system change is changing this--knights are DPS, not tank. Alchemists may be intended for support, but they'll still die in one hit from mobs so they're going to focus on DPS (can't get hit if you kill it first). Wizards, actually, may be able to tank, what with 1,000+ MP and mana shield, but they'll probably be better served focusing on DPS. Merchants aren't a combat class. Dunno how that bard skill works, but it's probably not effective on stronger mobs (aka useless), so they'll focus on their range, which is DPS.

  
  
  I agree, however you need to look more into detail. There is a "class" or party combat system "in place" in mabinogi. It just completely fails and it is completely unused. Giants, for example, have a "taunt" ability in order to hold aggro. Mages have the ability to both heal/tank/dps/support. Archers/"Bards" have the ability to buff and support (except their main support skill is broken until G12, actually look at what support shot is going to be.) It's almost as if Devcat went in with the idea to put classes in and got lazy. So basicly I just view things as they are now as a mold. Also, imo, knights would probably never be a tank, unless the HP buff is greater than I thought. Adventurer's would be the best tank, people seem to forget this class exists.
  
  

  Quote from Chocklitshop;106889:

  Actually I kinda change my opinion on this. I keep thinking something like, great, now I have to choose a class.
  Keep forgetting you can stay as an adventurer, so this is actually pretty great.
  Though I do want to master something without any sacrifices...

  
  
  Well, the downside is you need to be a knight for down attack. However I don't think that this should be viewed as a bad thing. First of all it's completely optional, so why are people deciding to freak out about it anyway? It's silly. Second of all people don't recognize the potential. A good half of mabi is the freedom, granted. However when people are actually fighting I tend to notice something... they either just melee, range, or mage. Uhh, well... how would you like it if you could make those better? and even get a few more skills to add? It's unlikely that you'll loose any progress in the skills that you have trained before anyway, and if it does end up to be like that, don't bother with the whole system and stay adventurer (it's not like you can't or anything.) Plus that would be a "how to piss off 75% of the KR player base," since they capped all the skills. I don't think Nexon is that stupid, atleast in KR. Another thing people fail to comprehend is that Nexon KR is not Nexon US. It's called a Test server, and it's in hands that know what they're doing. So overall, it's not something that should be raged over. Really... it's optional, not only that but its being tested. Generally when you test something it has to be perfected. I think that it's just better to remain completely positive and wait and see what comes from this. It's better than raging and crying.
• JustNoOne wrote on 2010-07-28 01:22

  Quote from oddy231;106855:

  Most of the people that don't like it aren't even thinking about. Classes and Mabinogi in the same sentence and stuff hits the fan.

  
  
  Please don't underestimate the ability of people, some people can easily explain themselves why they don't like Mabinogi.
  
  As well, same can be said for people that feel that classes and Mabinogi work together without giving it any thought.
  
  

  Quote from Finnea;107176:

  Well, the downside is you need to be a knight for down attack. However I don't think that this should be viewed as a bad thing. First of all it's completely optional, so why are people deciding to freak out about it anyway? It's silly. Second of all people don't recognize the potential. A good half of mabi is the freedom, granted. However when people are actually fighting I tend to notice something... they either just melee, range, or mage. Uhh, well... how would you like it if you could make those better? and even get a few more skills to add? It's unlikely that you'll lose any progress in the skills that you have trained before anyway, and if it does end up to be like that, don't bother with the whole system and stay adventurer (it's not like you can't or anything.) Plus that would be a "how to piss off 75% of the KR player base," since they capped all the skills. I don't think Nexon is that stupid, atleast in KR. Another thing people fail to comprehend is that Nexon KR is not Nexon US. It's called a Test server, and it's in hands that know what they're doing. So overall, it's not something that should be raged over. Really... it's optional, not only that but its being tested. Generally when you test something it has to be perfected. I think that it's just better to remain completely positive and wait and see what comes from this. It's better than raging and crying.

  
  
  Sure it would be great it you can make those skills better. Sure it would be great if you get a few more skills added.
  
  It's not great to limit these classes the skills they earned or to limit other classes of these "class skills".
• oddy231 wrote on 2010-07-28 01:29

  Quote from JustNoOne;107183:

  Please don't underestimate the ability of people, some people can easily explain themselves why they don't like Mabinogi.
  
  As well, same can be said for people that feel that classes and Mabinogi work together without giving it any thought.
  
  
  
  Sure it would be great it you can make those skills better. Sure it would be great if you get a few more skills added.
  
  It's not great to limit these classes the skills they earned or to limit other classes of these "class skills".

  
  
  
  
  
  I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to the people that that don't give explanations and just complain. The only reason I've stuck with this game is in the hope that something like this would happen. I never though that people would react this way to it though. If it's not released then I have no reason to play anymore, I'll like buy an Xbox or something to do when I'm bored, I don't know.
• JustNoOne wrote on 2010-07-28 01:35
  Ohh I know you we're referring to me, I mean you didn't even post my username with that post nor do I feel that you're directing that post to me.
  
  I also feel like there are some people that just post and think that Mabinogi will work with the class system as well, they just exclaim that this is a great system without giving it a serious thought on the future of Mabinogi after this update. I'd just want to state that there are people that claim this system can "improve" Mabinogi without giving this idea plenty amount of time and that you shouldn't be just stating that these people that feel that Mabinogi and the class system doesn't work don't put any thought to the matter at all.