Your opinions on the class system

• Hiccup wrote on 2010-07-26 23:09
  @Kaz Yea you and I. But its not about G13 facts. and if you want the facts go to the 5 other facts thread ._.
  
  
  ninja'd
• Blassreiter wrote on 2010-07-26 23:10
  I really don't mind too much about this coming, of course it's still being tweaked around as we speak so it may seem much better when it's official.
  What I see now is that the characters are too weak. One combo taken without a shield equipped will either deadly you or kill you. We need more HP/MP and Defense/Protection so now this class system gives us that opportunity. Now I know you're going to say that Alchemists/Bards do not get such stat boosts, thats why they are long ranged/barrier spikers so they can't get hit as easily as Knights. A good warrior is able to not get hit anyway so an Archer/Alchemist can do even better since they have their distance.
  
  Now you're saying that you're being left out on new content. Well how come most of you didn't really give four craps about giant characters when they came out? Are they not new content? You left yourself out on it.
  
  So I'll say this again, it's still being tested and tweaked around so it will become better/or disappear altogether.
• Kazuni wrote on 2010-07-26 23:10

  Quote from bradstrt;105724:

  @Kaz Yea you and I. But its not about G13 facts. and if you want the facts go to the 5 other facts thread ._.
  
  
  ninja'd

  
  
  You're missing my point.
  
  Whatever. We might as well stop screwing up your thread.
  
  
  I hate the classes, there's nowhere for me to go from there without missing out by staying in adventurer class.
  
  

  Quote from Blassreiter;105725:

  I really don't mind too much about this coming, of course it's still being tweaked around as we speak so it may seem much better when it's official.
  What I see now is that the characters are too weak. One combo taken without a shield equipped will either deadly you or kill you. We need more HP/MP and Defense/Protection so now this class system gives us that opportunity. Now I know you're going to say that Alchemists/Bards do not get such stat boosts, thats why they are long ranged/barrier spikers so they can't get hit as easily as Knights. A good warrior is able to not get hit anyway so an Archer/Alchemist can do even better since they have their distance.
  
  Now you're saying that you're being left out on new content. Well how come most of you didn't really give four craps about giant characters when they came out? Are they not new content? You left yourself out on it.
  
  So I'll say this again, it's still being tested and tweaked around so it will become better/or disappear altogether.

  
  
  
  So is it wrong to discuss how it is now?
  Also, your bard/alchemist thing. Yes, alchemists do have barrier spikes. Imo, they're getting overpowered.
  
  Bards however, with ranged attack, miss, and misses can be extremely costly. Especially now that if you were to be in the bard classes, you have no access to barrier spikes.
  
  I'm talking from an all solo angle here, of course.
• Hiccup wrote on 2010-07-26 23:11
  Were missing each others points XD;;
  
  But yeah
  
  No likey classes, unless they are severely tweaked
• Phunkie wrote on 2010-07-26 23:15

  Quote from Blassreiter;105725:

  Now you're saying that you're being left out on new content. Well how come most of you didn't really give four craps about giant characters when they came out? Are they not new content? You left yourself out on it.

  
  
  So much truth.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-07-26 23:48

  Quote from Blassreiter;105725:

  What I see now is that the characters are too weak. One combo taken without a shield equipped will either deadly you or kill you. We need more HP/MP and Defense/Protection so now this class system gives us that opportunity.
  

  
  
  rofl go play mabinogi correctly. in mabi you are not supposed to get hit. why i always play deadly and still able to solo shadow city hm and ciar adv.
  
  and for those dungeons that almost require you to get hit a bit -> mana shield to r6.
  
  the class doesn't give more HP/MP Defense/Protection. maybe a bit of HP/MP, but it is by 50~60ish and they don't really help that much due to lack of other HP/MP boosting skills.
  
  

  Quote from Blassreiter;105725:

  Now you're saying that you're being left out on new content. Well how come most of you didn't really give four craps about giant characters when they came out? Are they not new content? You left yourself out on it.

  
  there actually were complaints in korea when C2 was being made, but back then NA mabi didn't exist and we had an iria expansion pack so we didn't really feel the impact.
  
  besides the c4 content is a lot bigger than c2 content. in c2, devcat was just giving stuff humans had to giants/elf, which are transformation and adv skills (humans=fh, elves=fs, giants=wind/taunt)
  
  while in c4 content, devcat gave off hailstorm the next tier of magic, mastery skills that will make 1k level player stronger than 2k level player.
  
  

  Quote from Blassreiter;105725:

  So I'll say this again, it's still being tested and tweaked around so it will become better/or disappear altogether.

  
  
  hello? this is nexon we are talking about (devcat is part of nexon :P). test server is to brag stuff to players. the only time when there was a tweak to test server content was infinite slash -> final hit.
  
  thus unless we show nexon outrage all over the globe that means KR, JP, CN, TW, NA, and EU mabi will all complain, nexon/devcat will not change the class system.
  
  
  TL;DR version -> we cannot even compromise our freedom to choose skills in mabinogi, we must fight for it.
  thus, class sympathizers -> ppl who don't know what mabi is about.
  
  
  *btw this thread is for opinions, if you don't agree with it, tooo baddddd go QQ moar at kim jung il i mean moon sung joon's basement.
• Blassreiter wrote on 2010-07-27 00:02

  Quote from abc33kr;105801:

  rofl go play mabinogi correctly. in mabi you are not supposed to get hit. why i always play deadly and still able to solo shadow city hm and ciar adv.

  
  
  I know, that's why I said that "a good warrior is able to not get hit". The reason why I want more HP is for tanking situations, for instance Ghosts. As a 'Giant' I want to have enough HP to use WG and take on those ghosts like nothing. Currently the low amount of HP/Protection that is available prevents that.
  
  I also understand the feeling of being versatile even as a Giant. It's fun pummeling enemies with knuckles then taking out a wand to use Blaze/Thunder. Also in PvP it's funny to take out a Bone Atlatl and pick away at the mages chasing me with Icebolt loaded.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-07-27 00:26
  this is how i feel about moon sung joon and the class system
  
  

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  derrpppppp
  
  rofl
• Juno wrote on 2010-07-27 01:30
  As long as we're on the topic of opinions~
  
  I'm glad the new director isn't a bloody windmill spammer who thinks there's only one way to play the game~
  
  I'm not sure where he's going with this Hamlet business but I do like that the classes allow me to thrive as something other than a hybrid.
• Zid wrote on 2010-07-27 02:34
  The class system needs a lot of fixing before a lot of the complaining players will be satisfied.
  
  If you're happy about it coming out (because it's "new, fresh, change of pace, party play, diversity, what have you"), then swell.
  
  If you're not happy about it coming out, obviously there are problems/issues about it that conflict with the players. But realize this, those who are arguing against the complaining players ("QQ"? Come on, it's the internet). Banning the class system from going live on the regular servers is one thing, but there are some players (like me) who want it changed (or "fixed", as some of us will say) instead of booting it out.
  
  I'm willing to give this class system a chance before writing it off as a gimmick or cliche, but only if the issues I have with it can be solved to agreeable terms with me.
  
  Of course, everybody will say/think "They're a company; they don't have to listen to your whining and do whatever you want", so what does my opinion matter then?
• sakraycore wrote on 2010-07-27 02:39
  Personally I think this game is becoming carebear like WoW.
• Haydrian wrote on 2010-07-27 02:43
  Eh it could either make or break the game depending on how they go about it. They will also very easily loose some very loyal players if they do it incorrectly but also gain a lot of new ones whom greatly enjoy the class system so it could go either way.
  
  I think how they plan to try and handle the class systems is very interesting but in my mind should've been put into something like Vindictus and Mabinogi should've been left alone. It's very late into the game to be adding such a dramatic game-changing formula. Everyone who plays gets accustomed to a game play style and a game get's it's following by having it's own style. Well Mabinogi has it's own style and they are very close to nullifying or increasing this effect. If it gets nullified I see a dramatic decrease in players since it will be a children's WoW and that's just not a good road to tread.
  
  It is still in test so who knows what will come of it. If they do break it they will be losing at least my business, if they do it right i will continue to stay loyal. That's just how it'll be. I'm very gray area about the whole thing, we'll see what happens.
• JustNoOne wrote on 2010-07-27 03:41
  Since I'm tried as hell from posting in that other thread and I chilled off by watching The Simpsons which Bart and Ralph turns old and stuff happens, I might as well post here =P
  
  Mabinogi is a unique game, where you don't need to pick a class to play the game, you play it how you want.
  
  Adding the class system infringes on Mabinogi's uniqueness and can possibly make the game or job oriented in the future since there can be future updates making these classes better thus making Mabinogi more of a class oriented game. With knowing that there are certain skills restricted to certain classes, this means that hybrids cannot reach their full potential of a set of skill. I feel that hybrids should be given the ability to do well in all aspects of Mabinogi because being mediocre in all aspects of the game is generally "worse" than to specialize in one aspect of Mabinogi and I don't want to see people's efforts of being a Hybrid (which is take alot of time and dedication) to go to waste.
  
  If the class system is implemented, I feel as if the Adventurer will get shafted since really... if this update is really for balance, why would I want to waste my time being a hybrid when I can just specialize in one aspect of Mabinogi and achieve similar power? I mean since I'm only focusing on a certain aspect of Mabinogi, I am only concentrating my time on that section of Mabinogi and it should technically be faster if the requirements are the same. I get there faster by specializing in one aspect of Mabinogi while the other person worked possibly harder than me for the same result, I do not see a balance in that at all. This to me will make Mabinogi even more class oriented since they can just pick a class and be powerful.
  
  Making skills restricted in the class system is what I do not agree with as well, to not give the player a benefit they earned (like the Will from Windmill and other stats from skills) to me seems like the person got mugged. To steal a person of their earn stats is wrong and this system allows for that to happen, I don't the reason why we need to restrict classes from using certain skills other than the fact to "make the user concentrate on a certain aspect of Mabinogi", which still makes no sense to me at all as well.
  
  Why do we need classes to forces the user to concentrate on one aspect of Mabinogi? The player should have free will to use all skills and to enjoy the benefits of the skills and stats earn from them as they please. If a player goes from a Knight to a Wizard, the player should earn their benefit of stats gained from skills as a Knight, and when I imagine a new player pick a Knight and than switch to a Wizard to find out they kinda have to start over again, makes me think that maybe the class system places too many restriction on the player, making them stick to one class and to become more class oriented.
  
  When I just think about the class system being added to Mabinogi, I find many negative effects of this class system and very little positive effects and I can't really accept this until it can be perfectly added into Mabinogi without shafting anyone.
• Tedio wrote on 2010-07-27 04:33
  I think people are wasting their breath when they whine about this system even when they have not even given it a try, jeeze. I would understand if you actually tried it out and understood it completely, but have any of us done that? I personally only benefit from this and laugh at others whining that they get nerfed.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-07-27 04:33

  Quote from JustNoOne;106100:

  Since I'm tried as hell from posting in that other thread and I chilled off by watching The Simpsons which Bart and Ralph turns old and stuff happens, I might as well post here =P
  
  Mabinogi is a unique game, where you don't need to pick a class to play the game, you play it how you want.
  
  Adding the class system infringes on Mabinogi's uniqueness and can possibly make the game or job oriented in the future since there can be future updates making these classes better thus making Mabinogi more of a class oriented game. With knowing that there are certain skills restricted to certain classes, this means that hybrids cannot reach their full potential of a set of skill. I feel that hybrids should be given the ability to do well in all aspects of Mabinogi because being mediocre in all aspects of the game is generally "worse" than to specialize in one aspect of Mabinogi and I don't want to see people's efforts of being a Hybrid (which is take alot of time and dedication) to go to waste.
  
  If the class system is implemented, I feel as if the Adventurer will get shafted since really... if this update is really for balance, why would I want to waste my time being a hybrid when I can just specialize in one aspect of Mabinogi and achieve similar power? I mean since I'm only focusing on a certain aspect of Mabinogi, I am only concentrating my time on that section of Mabinogi and it should technically be faster if the requirements are the same. I get there faster by specializing in one aspect of Mabinogi while the other person worked possibly harder than me for the same result, I do not see a balance in that at all. This to me will make Mabinogi even more class oriented since they can just pick a class and be powerful.
  
  Making skills restricted in the class system is what I do not agree with as well, to not give the player a benefit they earned (like the Will from Windmill and other stats from skills) to me seems like the person got mugged. To steal a person of their earn stats is wrong and this system allows for that to happen, I don't the reason why we need to restrict classes from using certain skills other than the fact to "make the user concentrate on a certain aspect of Mabinogi", which still makes no sense to me at all as well.
  
  Why do we need classes to forces the user to concentrate on one aspect of Mabinogi? The player should have free will to use all skills and to enjoy the benefits of the skills and stats earn from them as they please. If a player goes from a Knight to a Wizard, the player should earn their benefit of stats gained from skills as a Knight, and when I imagine a new player pick a Knight and than switch to a Wizard to find out they kinda have to start over again, makes me think that maybe the class system places too many restriction on the player, making them stick to one class and to become more class oriented.
  
  When I just think about the class system being added to Mabinogi, I find many negative effects of this class system and very little positive effects and I can't really accept this until it can be perfectly added into Mabinogi without shafting anyone.

  
  
  Adventurer.