G13 grievances addressed?

• Everwanderer wrote on 2010-07-29 02:25

  Quote from Kazuni;108698:

  I love how people are whining about how the G13 class system is now gone, and about how other people's whining made devcat give in.
  
  Harharhar.

  
  
  Play nice Kaz =(
• Juno wrote on 2010-07-29 02:26
  Magic skills are fundamentally different. One could argue that only your three basic bolts really make up their set and that int/adv magic is a different field. A mage can totally function with just lightning bolt and firebolt if need be.
• Phanterz wrote on 2010-07-29 02:38

  Quote from abc33kr;108165:

  That's cuz those ppl r brainwashed with stereotypical mmorpgs. mabinogi has always been a game of hybrids and freedom of skills.
  A person can fight with broadswords then switch off to a llb to shoot enemies and still be able to thunder hobs in raft.
  in order words, mabinogi has been designed to be classless. you need all those skills to enjoy mabinogi.
  
  i loled at your wand argument, you can easily use a mana preserve stone to switch off to dual broadswords to continue smashing/windmilling, there are no such thing as "wand users," they are the ones who chose to use wands. A meeler like me could cast thunder full charge, open the chest, shoot th, and switch off to broad and start wming.
  the incubus being able to charge IS with a sword argument also fails since they are fomors the ones who can chaincast any magics without a wand. miletians can't have the powers that fomors have as their genetic talent. humans/giants/elves do not have the talent to handle adv magic, they need a wand to be able to handle it. if that doesn't make sense to you, here is an analogy: you can't shoot arrows without a bow so how does it make sense to cast adv magic without a wand? Thus, the weapon limitation system is not "stupid".
  
  While the old class system in the other hands, destroys the balance already set in mabinogi, which can be summarized to while people can use all the skills in the game, it really isn't possible to use them all at the same time due to weapon limitations. Besides, all other mmorpgs r boring since you are stuck to one thing.
  
  Here is a simpler version of what i said, you went to a restaurant and you wanted five things in the menu. In reality(other mmos), restaurants will charge you full price for those 5 items or refuse to give 1/5 samples of each food and charge you 1/5 per each food. In fantasy life(mabinogi), restaurants will give you all 5 of those foods and charge you the price of one meal. While you can't eat all 5 of those food at the same time (weapon limitation), you can enjoy them all eventually. so why destroy a such an ideal system and replace it with a cold, heartless one.
  
  and @your mabinogi getting easier argument, these damage boosts are there to help out low leveled people. if they can't catch up quick enough, they won't be able to enjoy all that mabinogi has to offer.
  the class system won't really make things easier for developed players as they are already developed.

  
  
  This is a ridiculous argument. Despite the fact that I thought the old G13 was slightly too much, you cannot say that there was no hybrid. You did have a choice to be a hybrid, the difference was that you could choose to strengthen one area by sacrificing all the others. The change that was necessary, in my opinion, was not a change that would make everyone loads more powerful without any penalty. The point of the classes in the first place was to make sure that you could not have every powerful skill in the game at one time. You can have a machine gun, but not a set of grenades with it.
  You do NOT need 'all those skills' to enjoy this game. You could get on perfectly fine without them. You could just go adventurer, and screw yourself with the new class-specific updates. It's fair that way. Adventurer has the advantage of switching, class has the advantage of focused power.
  
  For the last paragraph: how is it that you can support low leveled people getting an insane boost without doing much? Power does not come to the lazy. All these 'low leveled people' should not be able to get powerful just by sitting through a patch. You also shouldn't assume that you can't have fun without being powerful. My sister plays this game, she can't even handle a double aggro without consuming two stacks of HP30s, yet she still enjoys this game.
  
  The 'ideal' system you speak of was fine, but the new system was not total trash. It could have been improved and rebalanced some more, but it was still a good concept. Just shut up if you don't like it. Funny how you can protest this update so much, when only improvement is possible. It's win or break even. The only thing worth complaining about is the intermediate/adv magic/blaze nerf.
  
  Also, fix your grammar.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-07-29 02:38

  Quote from Juno;108774:

  Magic skills are fundamentally different. One could argue that only your three basic bolts really make up their set and that int/adv magic is a different field. A mage can totally function with just lightning bolt and firebolt if need be.

  
  
  Eh...
  
  The only things that keep Mavinogi difficult post total level 500 is multiagro and passive defense. Melée can fight off both using windmill (their over-dependance on this skill saddens me) and magic can fight off both using several high-end skills. Crash shot is the only thing that can hope to fight multiagro and magnum shot is our only hope against passive defense. Neither skill is reliable, especially crash shot which has a damage range of 150-250% at r1.
  
  Actually, you know what would relieve me of some CS hate? Would anyone happen to know what effect the skill has on mobility?
• Hiccup wrote on 2010-07-29 02:41
  @Phant They kept the class system. Just tweaked it like you said they should have, just not in a way you would have liked.
  
  Also tl;dr
  [SIZE="1"](even though I read it)[/SIZE]
  
  edit ninja'd T_T
• Chockeh wrote on 2010-07-29 02:42
  Isnt that what this thread is about xD.
• Taliya wrote on 2010-07-29 02:48
  I hope at the very least, skill training gets class restricted. I'd actually like that.
• Hiccup wrote on 2010-07-29 02:49
  Skill training itself isn't but the bonus is.
  
  Knights ~> Melee skills get x2 rate
  etc
  etc
• User495 wrote on 2010-07-29 02:52

  Quote from Kaeporo;108800:

  Eh...
  
  The only thongs that keep Mavinogi difficult post total level 500 is multiagro and passive defense. Melée can fight off both using windmill (their over-dependance on this skill saddens me) and magic can fight off both using several high-end skills. Crash shot is the only thing that can hope to fight multiagro and magnum shot is our only hope against passive defense. Neither skill is reliable, especially crash shot which has a damage range of 150-250% at r1.
  
  Actually, you know what would relieve me of some CS hate? Would anyone happen to know what effect the skill has on mobility?

  
  
  lawl thongs
  
  
  

  Quote from Taliya;108828:

  I hope at the very least, skill training gets class restricted. I'd actually like that.

  
  
  yeah it's too bad it's not, otherwise there really is no "class system" at all if there isn't some kind of distinction between classes
• Kaeporo wrote on 2010-07-29 02:58

  Quote from Sevian;108849:

  lawl thongs
  
  
  
  
  yeah it's too bad it's not, otherwise there really is no "class system" at all if there isn't some kind of distinction between classes

  
  
  :o
  
  Also, you can train any skill but you can only rank skills that fall inside your class. Adventurers/classless players can train/rank anything but receive no benifits.
• User495 wrote on 2010-07-29 03:00

  Quote from Kaeporo;108870:

  :o
  
  Also, you can train any skill but you can only rank skills that fall inside your class. Adventurers/classless players can train/rank anything but receive no benifits.

  
  
  are you being sarcastic?
  
  I mean I agree with that, cause really when you rank combat/magic skills what else would you want to rank them for? (other than use) C:
• Finnea wrote on 2010-07-29 03:02
  Well I tl;dred alot of that from 12+ but I'll get back to it. (Sleep mode.) Basicly my views are this.
  
  - Mabinogi is a casual game to begin with. It's a very simple concept, and as a business that's how to make money from this fanbase. No drastic changes should be made.
  
  - The class system was a drastic change. It doesn't mean it was bad, but it was certainly a roadblock to most players. Notably the ones qqing their ****-ing face off.
  
  - Yes, in a way Devcat is being very sell out-ish. However take a second and think about it. Think about how much pressure the devs were. There was a very elaborate and very direct protesting movement. This would certainly be a loss of money to Devcat and Nexon, so they got to pull something out of their bum fast.
  
  - This is a test server.
  
  - Can you really say you hate it? It's spoonfeeding sure, but I like casual games where I know I can leave for a little while and not be drasticly behind. I think if they go with the system as it is now it will allow a little more rapid advancement from the younger generations of characters. It's not a bad thing. Sure I'm a little pissed that I went through the trouble of geting r1 wm. Sure it's just a handicap. Get over it, all Devcat is doing is trying to keep his job (like I mentioned before,) I'm sure you'll would do the same.
• Taliya wrote on 2010-07-29 03:09

  Quote from Finnea;108884:

  No, but it's all basicly the same. All the class does in buff, nothing else.
  
  Whoa hang on not refreshed apparently.

  
  
  Actually, there is a classless option~
• JustNoOne wrote on 2010-07-29 03:16
  Mmm.... Can anyone please give me an updated translation on where the text states that there is going to be an option where you can go class-less. I'm using a day old one and I would like some new info.
• Finnea wrote on 2010-07-29 03:19

  Quote from Taliya;108896:

  Actually, there is a classes option~

  
  
  I was behind. x-x ninja edit.