G13 grievances addressed?

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Kaeporo wrote on 2010-07-29 03:29

IMO, each class needs to affect skills as such,

Knight
Sword/Axe/Blunt Mastery: Damage +10, Critical +5
Smash: Damage +50%
Final Hit/Wind Guard: Cool down -60 seconds
Leap Attack: Damage +100%

Wizard
Fire/Ice/Lightning Mastery: Damage +10%
Bolt Mastery: Damage +10%
Bolt Composition: Damage +15%
Meditation: Mana Regen +200%

Archer
Magnum Shot: Damage +50%
Magnum Shot (crossbow): Damage +150%
Arrow Revolver: Damage (per arrow) +10%
Crash Shot: Minimum damage +100%

Alchemist
Fire Mastery: Damage +5
Wind Mastery: Damage +200%
Water Mastery: Damage +15
Earth Mastery: Damage/health x1.2
Spark: Maximum Damage +25

I'm certain that each class will improve the effects of certain skills, these are my thoughts :3
Finnea wrote on 2010-07-29 03:32

Quote from Kaeporo;108910:
IMO, each class needs to affect skills as such,

Knight
Sword/Axe/Blunt Mastery: Damage +10, Critical +5
Smash: Damage +50%
Final Hit/Wind Guard: Cool down -60 seconds
Leap Attack: Damage +100%

Wizard
Fire/Ice/Lightning Mastery: Damage +10%
Bolt Mastery: Damage +10%
Bolt Composition: Damage +15%
Meditation: Mana Regen +200%

Archer
Magnum Shot: Damage +50%
Magnum Shot (crossbow): Damage +150%
Arrow Revolver: Damage (per arrow) +10%
Crash Shot: Minimum damage +100%

Alchemist
Fire Mastery: Damage +5
Wind Mastery: Damage +200%
Water Mastery: Damage +15
Earth Mastery: Damage/health x1.2
Spark: Maximum Damage +25

I'm certain that each class will improve the effects of certain skills, these are my thoughts :3

uhhhhhhhhh... too much and too little in some of those categories. However I think that'd be a very nice starting point. There should be downpoints for each as well, so that the "class-less" option is used for something. You don't want to make things too easy. =s
Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-07-29 03:53

My opinion is that this is a stupid update. I don't see a difference to the old system. With this job class restriction taken off, it's still the same as the old system.

Probably only that skills are easier to train with the new system, but what happened to life skills?

I hope the developers can find a balance out of this and bring some new changes. Hopefully also fix the things there weren't working out well in the old system.

Quote from Tatsigi;108128:
magic is the hardest class out've all of them. First, you gotta make a sh33tload of mp pots. Then you must spend days trying to get ADV magic or spend millions. After we must farm ap and get a bunch of int to make our magic skills any good. So until you know what you are talking about, Shush.

IMO, Magic is easy mode, agreed with the cat. You just spend more AP to get powerful.
Especially when people use magic when exploiting lots of things, like river rafting glitch.

Quote from Archibald;107888:
Ah they shouldn't have scrapped merchant class!! I would have liked getting exp from lifeskilling lol.

I agree. Otherwise they should just up the lifeskilling exp/successes to make them easier.
It's hell to train all those lifeskills.
Hiccup wrote on 2010-07-29 03:55

Leveling is slow if you don't rebirth prior to the 3 week free rebirth, so having skill training faster isn't a bad thing.....
Finnea wrote on 2010-07-29 03:56

I agree with the above post that I don't wish to quote.

Edit: Brad you ruined it.
abc33kr wrote on 2010-07-29 03:56

Quote from Phanterz;108798:
This is a ridiculous argument. Despite the fact that I thought the old G13 was slightly too much, you cannot say that there was no hybrid. You did have a choice to be a hybrid, the difference was that you could choose to strengthen one area by sacrificing all the others. The change that was necessary, in my opinion, was not a change that would make everyone loads more powerful without any penalty. The point of the classes in the first place was to make sure that you could not have every powerful skill in the game at one time. You can have a machine gun, but not a set of grenades with it.
You do NOT need 'all those skills' to enjoy this game. You could get on perfectly fine without them. You could just go adventurer, and screw yourself with the new class-specific updates. It's fair that way. Adventurer has the advantage of switching, class has the advantage of focused power.

For the last paragraph: how is it that you can support low leveled people getting an insane boost without doing much? Power does not come to the lazy. All these 'low leveled people' should not be able to get powerful just by sitting through a patch. You also shouldn't assume that you can't have fun without being powerful. My sister plays this game, she can't even handle a double aggro without consuming two stacks of HP30s, yet she still enjoys this game.

The 'ideal' system you speak of was fine, but the new system was not total trash. It could have been improved and rebalanced some more, but it was still a good concept. Just shut up if you don't like it. Funny how you can protest this update so much, when only improvement is possible. It's win or break even. The only thing worth complaining about is the intermediate/adv magic/blaze nerf.

Also, fix your grammar.

well the beginner kinda need a help catching up to majority of the population at korean mabi's point.
cuz most of them are pro by now and if the newbies are left behind due to lack of other newbies, then they wouldn't want to play mabinogi anymore due to loneliness.
no more new population coming into mabi and current ppl quiting due to personal reason -> contributes to a dead mabi.

so that newbies getting help don't really apply to NA since i see plenty low leveled elves camping each other and going to final shot dungeons together.
Finnea wrote on 2010-07-29 03:58

Quote from abc33kr;108962:
well the beginner kinda need a help catching up to majority of the population at korean mabi's point.
cuz most of them are pro by now and if the newbies are left behind due to lack of other newbies, then they wouldn't want to play mabinogi anymore due to loneliness.
no more new population coming into mabi and current ppl quiting due to personal reason -> contributes to a dead mabi.

so that newbies getting help don't really apply to NA since i see plenty low leveled elves camping each other and going to final shot dungeons together.

This is more or less my point with money pressure.
Hiccup wrote on 2010-07-29 04:00

Plus Korea has had Mabinogi for what 8 years? That's a loooooong time, and anyone who wanted to try it probably had within the first year~5.
abc33kr wrote on 2010-07-29 04:04

Quote from Kaeporo;108910:
IMO, each class needs to affect skills as such,

Knight
Sword/Axe/Blunt Mastery: Damage +10, Critical +5
Smash: Damage +50%
Final Hit/Wind Guard: Cool down -60 seconds
Leap Attack: Damage +100%

Wizard
Fire/Ice/Lightning Mastery: Damage +10%
Bolt Mastery: Damage +10%
Bolt Composition: Damage +15%
Meditation: Mana Regen +200%

Archer
Magnum Shot: Damage +50%
Magnum Shot (crossbow): Damage +150%
Arrow Revolver: Damage (per arrow) +10%
Crash Shot: Minimum damage +100%

Alchemist
Fire Mastery: Damage +5
Wind Mastery: Damage +200%
Water Mastery: Damage +15
Earth Mastery: Damage/health x1.2
Spark: Maximum Damage +25

I'm certain that each class will improve the effects of certain skills, these are my thoughts :3

well this prob doesn't apply to NA, but here is an argument from korea that is still against class system.

with the advent of classes, pure builds will be buffed over hybrid builds. so if a hybrid person goes to tail for shadow mission, they will see on the party sign: no adventurers plox, LF>Knight/Wizard.

there will be discrimination against hybrid builds. without a class system, hybrids and pures live together in a balanced world, but with class system its almost as if pures becoming white ppl and hybrids becoming black ppl. yes the discrimination between class will be as bad as racism.
Finnea wrote on 2010-07-29 04:07

Quote from abc33kr;108984:
well this prob doesn't apply to NA, but here is an argument from korea that is still against class system.

with the advent of classes, pure builds will be buffed over hybrid builds. so if a hybrid person goes to tail for shadow mission, they will see on the party sign: no adventurers plox, LF>Knight/Wizard.

there will be discrimination against hybrid builds. without a class system, hybrids and pures live together in a balanced world, but with class system its almost as if pures becoming white ppl and hybrids becoming black ppl. yes the discrimination between class will be as bad as racism.

Except you realize that they can just suck it up and rebirth back and forth between the classes they want to be, if they have the skills. It just stopped major hybrid play. Not really that big of a deal anyway, no skill restrictions now.
User495 wrote on 2010-07-29 04:09

Quote from abc33kr;108984:
well this prob doesn't apply to NA, but here is an argument from korea that is still against class system.

with the advent of classes, pure builds will be buffed over hybrid builds. so if a hybrid person goes to tail for shadow mission, they will see on the party sign: no adventurers plox, LF>Knight/Wizard.

there will be discrimination against hybrid builds. without a class system, hybrids and pures live together in a balanced world, but with class system its almost as if pures becoming white ppl and hybrids becoming black ppl. yes the discrimination between class will be as bad as racism.

cept Mabi already has discrimination

most commonly between "pros and newbs" and then there's race, for those that are abit TOO into mabinogi's lore/ and character

damn ninja'ed by Finnea @ Finnea you do have a good point there, I didn't think about that aspect

what you said sorta makes the argument about those that spent hundreds on mabi void because if they did, they could easily just switch back and forth between classes each week (pros have no reason to QQ over it)
Kaeporo wrote on 2010-07-29 04:09

Quote from abc33kr;108984:
well this prob doesn't apply to NA, but here is an argument from korea that is still against class system.

with the advent of classes, pure builds will be buffed over hybrid builds. so if a hybrid person goes to tail for shadow mission, they will see on the party sign: no adventurers plox, LF>Knight/Wizard.

there will be discrimination against hybrid builds. without a class system, hybrids and pures live together in a balanced world, but with class system its almost as if pures becoming white ppl and hybrids becoming black ppl. yes the discrimination between class will be as bad as racism.

"rafting - looking for r9+ thunder/spear mages ONLY"
...
Not to mention, I hardly run into racial segregation. We'll see what Nexon has in store...
Hiccup wrote on 2010-07-29 04:13

Giant v. Elf

Thats racist! Q_Q
User495 wrote on 2010-07-29 04:20

Quote from bradstrt;109024:
Giant v. Elf

Thats racist! Q_Q

no that's not racist...

IT'S WAR >8U
abc33kr wrote on 2010-07-29 04:21

Quote from Sevian;109009:
cept Mabi already has discrimination

most commonly between "pros and newbs" and then there's race, for those that are abit TOO into mabinogi's lore/ and character

damn ninja'ed by Finnea @ Finnea you do have a good point there, I didn't think about that aspect

what you said sorta makes the argument about those that spent hundreds on mabi void because if they did, they could easily just switch back and forth between classes each week (pros have no reason to QQ over it)

but that is not what the pros spent all those loads of nx on rbs for. they have loose access to their skills with the classes. it went from after you change weaps to after you wait a week for rb.
so they have the right to QQ over their loose control of their skills.

yes i know that hybrid builds aren't nerfed physically, but by buffing pure builds without buffing hybrids along with it kinda makes it a nerf.
*those are the typical korean views over at the forums.

my opinion is that most ppl r hybrids, but there are some skills they use more often than others. Thus, those set of skills that are used more should be specialized to be more useful.

oh btw i remember a suggestion to change the class system back in korean forum. its gonna take a while to translate it so ima post it on next post.

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