G13 grievances addressed?

• NewbieNub wrote on 2010-07-29 15:53
  They should do it TF2 style.
  
  For example, the soldier has two different rocket launcher.
  
  The basic Rocket Launcher that does loads of damage, has a huge splash range and moves moderately fast.
  
  On the other hand, you have the Direct Hit, which does 80% more damage for 80% reduced splash range and increased speed.
  
  You can choose to sacrifice splash (Which is a very important factor when you're playing the Soldier) for additional damage and speed, or keep the old style and deal with it.
  
  
  Same goes for the pryo, you get the normal Flamethrower which does normal burn damage and with an additional airblast alt-fire included. Airblast would enable to you reflect projectiles. On the other hand, you get the Backburner, which does 100% critical on a back burn (When you're facing the back of an enemy) but has it's airblast removed.
  
  You can choose to do additional damage by ambushing with the Backburner, or go head on and reflect bombs, grenades, rockets, softballs, jarate AND even ARROWS for an additional "Mini critical" damage returned.
  
  
  Should be a factor for most games IMO, you gain some, you lose some. Situational and requires pre-planning.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  If Mabinogi is going to get classes, players should be given the choice to either stay vanilla, or go chocolate (With particular debuffs that makes it less of a platable choice than vanilla unless you're used to spamming spells, arrows or running about doing melee hits.). Seriously though, a change like this would change PVP massively. No one would want to duel against the class they're weak to, especially if this were to be implemented.
  
  Let's just say, adventurers will be vanilla, warriors would be chocolate, archers would be mint and mages be strawberry. Everyone has their own likes and hates, obviously.
  
  Maybe, maybe perhaps if there's a winning chance for those that's more skilled... Just maybe.
  
  
  

  Quote from Tatsigi;109657:

  I'm fine with that. Lets kill The 4 magic shields, bolt mastery, lets kill healing and make party heal usuable wihout a wand or just kill party healing, and hmm thats all i think we can afford to lose. 5 - 6 skills is enough.

  
  
  The 4 magic shields actually gives decent MP buffs. Removing it would be quite a waste, I did say. Bolt Masteries would be useful for magic users. Some players prefer healing and party heal can heal wounds when mastered. They're all equally useful, just not desired at particular situations.
• oddy231 wrote on 2010-07-29 16:00
  So is nothing class specific anymore? Is are trinity staffs, the new two handers, and new cylinders available to everyone? Because if they aren't class specific they just might as well got rid of the whole class system because then there would be no point to it. Getting 50 extra mana or strength isn't going to put specialist anywhere near hybrids. This new class system makes hybrids way stronger and specialists only a little stronger.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2010-07-29 16:10

  Quote from oddy231;109668:

  So is nothing class specific anymore? Is are trinity staffs, the new two handers, and new cylinders available to everyone? Because if they aren't they just might as well got rid of the whole class system because then there would be no point to it. Getting 50 extra mana or strength isn't going to put specialist anywhere near hybrids. This new class system makes hybrids way stronger and specialists only a little stronger.

  
  
  That is what i want to find out too.
• Everwanderer wrote on 2010-07-29 16:29

  Quote from oddy231;109668:

  So is nothing class specific anymore? Is are trinity staffs, the new two handers, and new cylinders available to everyone? Because if they aren't class specific they just might as well got rid of the whole class system because then there would be no point to it. Getting 50 extra mana or strength isn't going to put specialist anywhere near hybrids. This new class system makes hybrids way stronger and specialists only a little stronger.

  
  
  My point exactly, adressing Kaz when she said we're acting like class system is gone.
  Is not that is gone, but it became so pointless it might as well not be there at all.
  
  Also, liked the avon login screen better, static images don't fit a 3D MMO... oh wait, I just remembered. Didn't they say they were including loading screens? Now it all makes sense.
• Vejosa wrote on 2010-07-29 17:37

  Quote from Byte;109585:

  What kind of a bard shoots a bow?

  
  Spoony Bards.
  

  [Image: http://animehistory.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/558px-gilbertds.jpg]
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-07-29 17:47
  @newbienub's analogy
  
  the classless system-> you get to choose the flavor of your ice cream because you have the scoop.
  
  the old class system-> more flavors added, but you can only choose one flavor.
  
  the new class system-> you get to choose a main flavor and all other flavor if you want.
  
  the class system that newbienub suggested-> you get to choose a main flavor and you only get quarter scoop of any other flavor you want.
  
  yes i acknowledge that some people specialize in a field (like meele) even though they are hybrid and this would be helpful to those people.
  
  but what about shadow missions that require different set of skills?
  let's say there are mission A and B. they are both high in exp and gold and it must be done in party.
  mission A require high wm and smash rank. mission B require high blaze and ice spear rank.
  you usually do mission A, but occasionally you find a party with a pass to mission B (those later tara castle missions that you can access after g11s2) and you really want to get into that party for the epic drops in the endchest.
  But you chose knight for this week and your blaze damage is not as strong as most people. the party for mission B want wizards for the best damages.
  So next week, you choose wizard, you go to rath castle for parties. there are no mission B parties around 24/7. you try to go back to mission A, but the party lead kicks you or even if you enter, people cuss at you for not being a knight.
  
  soooo what happens if that is the cause of class system? i like the specialization as i am a meeler (almost pure) and it will help hunting mobs.
  
  *btw if you think parties won't kick you for not being the right class, KR mabi is more discriminant on choosing their parties as there are a lot of potential party member to take.
• Sloth wrote on 2010-07-29 18:09

  Quote from Aubog007;109630:

  HP MP and SP still show. Maybe AP too. But i know those 3 show cause i was testing out wizard earlier. i Luled when i saw Mana +2

  
  
  Yea I haven't rebirthed yet and I was to lazy to edit my post once I saw HP MP and SP
• oddy231 wrote on 2010-07-29 18:13

  Quote from abc33kr;109754:

  @newbienub's analogy
  
  the classless system-> you get to choose the flavor of your ice cream because you have the scoop.
  
  the old class system-> more flavors added, but you can only choose one flavor.
  
  the new class system-> you get to choose a main flavor and all other flavor if you want.
  
  the class system that newbienub suggested-> you get to choose a main flavor and you only get quarter scoop of any other flavor you want.
  
  yes i acknowledge that some people specialize in a field (like meele) even though they are hybrid and this would be helpful to those people.
  
  but what about shadow missions that require different set of skills?
  let's say there are mission A and B. they are both high in exp and gold and it must be done in party.
  mission A require high wm and smash rank. mission B require high blaze and ice spear rank.
  you usually do mission A, but occasionally you find a party with a pass to mission B (those later tara castle missions that you can access after g11s2) and you really want to get into that party for the epic drops in the endchest.
  But you chose knight for this week and your blaze damage is not as strong as most people. the party for mission B want wizards for the best damages.
  So next week, you choose wizard, you go to rath castle for parties. there are no mission B parties around 24/7. you try to go back to mission A, but the party lead kicks you or even if you enter, people cuss at you for not being a knight.
  
  soooo what happens if that is the cause of class system? i like the specialization as i am a meeler (almost pure) and it will help hunting mobs.
  
  *btw if you think parties won't kick you for not being the right class, KR mabi is more discriminant on choosing their parties as there are a lot of potential party member to take.

  
  
  They could have revised it some, like give back skills needed to complete generations, but they didn't need to cave all the way in.
  
  And it's not like the whole class racism doesn't happen now. There's been so many times I've been kicked out of parties "uR en eLf yous a boW nub n qiut spammin maGik or immma kIk u nub". I swear.
• Sloth wrote on 2010-07-29 18:18
  Also another new thing I found:
  Housing+ Party Board are now combined and look like this:
  

  [Image: http://i28.tinypic.com/bv0vc.jpg]
• Kazuni wrote on 2010-07-29 18:20

  Quote from Randomcheese;109771:

  Also another new thing I found:
  Housing+ Party Board are now combined and look like this:
  

  [Image: http://i28.tinypic.com/bv0vc.jpg]

  
  
  ... lolew.
• Sloth wrote on 2010-07-29 18:52
  Do you guys know how some games have a thing where you have to sneak past someone and they have like a radar in front of them
  You have to do that in 1 of the acts
  and look she needs to GTHO of G13 I don't want to end up saving her again or something
  2nd time I saw her
  

  [Image: http://i27.tinypic.com/ezk1sn.jpg]

  
  You see her in the beginning when you login of course
  then you see her after one of the characters die
• Juno wrote on 2010-07-29 19:03

  Quote from Byte;109585:

  Allow me to say, that I'm a hybrid type player myself, and I'm only in the 700s, I do not have rank 1 magic skills, or high combat skills[I have R1 ranged skills]. Now the old system would've made ranking these a pain in the arse. Also, my bard, who's Mage/Music, would've had to become an Archer? What kind of a bard shoots a bow?

  
  
  Actually, you could have remained an adventurer and not run into those problems at all.
  
  

  Quote from Randomcheese;109771:

  Also another new thing I found:
  Housing+ Party Board are now combined and look like this:
  

  [Image: http://i28.tinypic.com/bv0vc.jpg]

  
  
  Convenient...but it looks a little overdone next to the Tir Chonaill scenery.
  
  Also, easy on the spoilers .-.
• Sloth wrote on 2010-07-29 19:11

  Quote from Juno;109794:

  Actually, you could have remained an adventurer and not run into those problems at all.
  
  
  
  Convenient...but it looks a little overdone next to the Tir Chonaill scenery.
  
  Also, easy on the spoilers .-.

  
  
  Why? This is a G13 Thread QQ
• Everwanderer wrote on 2010-07-29 19:53

  Quote from Randomcheese;109800:

  Why? This is a G13 Thread QQ

  
  
  This seems to be a more class oriented discussion ._.
• Hiccup wrote on 2010-07-29 19:57
  Not anymore :D
  
  
  BRING EM ON!