G13 grievances addressed?

• abc33kr wrote on 2010-07-29 21:04

  Quote from bradstrt;109952:

  :I only walter?

  
  
  meh its better than fleta rite? xP
• Hiccup wrote on 2010-07-29 21:30
  Yeah but they should have at least one NPC in each town contribute to it instead of hauling to Dun
• Chockeh wrote on 2010-07-29 21:31
  It should be Tracy.
• sakraycore wrote on 2010-07-29 22:44
  I TL;DR all 26 pages, can someone summarize what happened in the previous 26 pages? >_>
• Chockeh wrote on 2010-07-29 22:46
  People giving their opinion and arguing over the first page.
• oddy231 wrote on 2010-07-29 22:51

  Quote from sakraycore;110260:

  I TL;DR all 26 pages, can someone summarize what happened in the previous 26 pages? >_>

  
  
  Devcat had a great class system then stuff hit the fan because classes and Mabinogi aren't congruent to the fantasy life or something along those lines. So they turned it into a small buff(like really small), faster skill training job system.
  
  So hybrids are happy they're still the best and specialized people got hope shoved into their faces and then snatched away in less then three days.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-07-29 23:17
  hybrids are people who finished a specialized build and moving on to another specialized build.
  
  you can't possibly use both thunder while ARing.
  
  so how exactly are hybrids stronger than specialized people?
  the argument that class system balances the difference between pure and hybrids is flawed in the sense that mabinogi was balanced before g13.
• Chockeh wrote on 2010-07-29 23:21
  I don't think hybrid's would be stronger then specialized characters in any game.
  Just that they may do more stuff.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2010-07-29 23:26
  I consider a hybrid a person who would naturally switch between range and magic or melee and alchemy in the midst of battle if needed.
  
  A specialist would be one who prefers and sets up both his weapons slots as one type (2 bows, 2 cylinders, 2 swords ect.)
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-07-29 23:31
  Imo mabi balancing is based on sets of skill (such as range vs. meele vs. magic vs. alchemy) instead of builds (pure vs. hybrid).
  
  The difference between meele pure and meele/range hybrid is that:
  
  meele pure-> you only fight with meele.
  meele/range hybrid-> you fight with meele and when you get bored of meele, you switch off to a bow to have fun with a different type of fighting.
  
  how is there a difference in the two? they both have the same skills capped at same ranks with same stats.
  
  but with class system, meele gets advantage over meele/range hybrid, which isn't fair.
• oddy231 wrote on 2010-07-29 23:35

  Quote from abc33kr;110306:

  hybrids are people who finished a specialized build and moving on to another specialized build.
  
  you can't possibly use both thunder while ARing.
  
  so how exactly are hybrids stronger than specialized people?
  the argument that class system balances the difference between pure and hybrids is flawed in the sense that mabinogi was balanced before g13.

  
  
  Because some people don't want to, or can't leave the branch they specialized in. Under the current system you are forced to become a hybrid once you're done with the branch you're in, some people don't want that. And because you don't want to or can't branch out the person that doesn't will always be stronger then you because now they have those extra skills to give them an edge. The old class system gave extra skills for the specialized person to rank so they don't have to leave their branch of combat to be on the same level as someone that has left their branch. But they made it come at such a huge skill cost that you'd have know way of becoming even a little big hybrid to balance out power.
• abc33kr wrote on 2010-07-29 23:51

  Quote from oddy231;110325:

  Because some people don't want to, or can't leave the branch they specialized in. Under the current system you are forced to become a hybrid once you're done with the branch you're in, some people don't want that. And because you don't want to or can't branch out the person that doesn't will always be stronger then you because now they have those extra skills to give them an edge. The old class system gave extra skills for the specialized person to rank so they don't have to leave their branch of combat to be on the same level as someone that has left their branch. But they made it come at such a huge skill cost that you'd have know way of becoming even a little big hybrid to balance out power.

  
  
  From what you have stated, it seemed like G13 skills were only available to hybrids.
  "you don't want to or can't branch out the person that doesn't will always be stronger then you because now they have those extra skills to give them an edge."
  pure people are able to rank those extra skills. nobody has an edge other anyone, all are equal.
  
  Also from what you have stated, it seemed as if hybrids are stronger than pures and that a balancing was required to bring them equal.
  "The old class system gave extra skills for the specialized person to rank so they don't have to leave their branch of combat to be on the same level as someone that has left their branch."
  Explain to me in facts and logic how hybrids are stronger than meele pure when faced with the fact that
  meele/range hybrid and meele pure have exactly same str (since skills give same stats to everyone). the range skills that the meele/range hybrid ranked will not affect the damage calculation as dex doesn't improve meele damage.
  
  
  Also, if you want to be purely any class, save ur ap. As you will be able to rank those new skills coming out way before those hybrids out of ap trying to rank all the skills in the game.
• User495 wrote on 2010-07-30 01:26
  I was about to make a giant wall of text with gaps in it but decided that was too much
  
  people aren't really agreeing with the fact that
  
  the old system did need some adjustments
  
  the new system failed at their original plans
  
  and that they should've really put more restrictions on equipment for a class system (alchemists already have their suits)
  
  hell restrictions on them are alot better than lvl requirements for equipment like every other MMO out there and still keeps a somewhat class-like aspect (and there's already a racial restriction on equipment anyways) (I'd say equipment has already started becomming a more important part of what makes someone strong/swayed from mabi's original eer way of things? but it's not such a huge difference though)
• oddy231 wrote on 2010-07-30 01:30

  Quote from Sevian;110468:

  I was about to make a giant wall of text with gaps in it but decided that was too much
  
  people aren't really agreeing with the fact that
  
  the old system did need some adjustments
  
  the new system failed at their original plans
  
  and that they should've really put more restrictions on equipment for a class system (alchemists already have their suits)
  
  hell restrictions on them are alot better than lvl requirements for equipment like every other MMO out there and still keeps a somewhat class-like aspect (and there's already a racial restriction on equipment anyways) (I'd say equipment has already started becomming a more important part of what makes someone strong/swayed from mabi's original eer way of things? but it's not such a huge difference though)

  
  
  This is what I'm trying to say. They went from one extreme to the other, this extreme being extremely lame. Meeting in the middle would have been better.
• Moppy wrote on 2010-07-30 01:36

  Quote from oddy231;110471:

  This is what I'm trying to say. They went from one extreme to the other, this extreme being extremely lame. Meeting in the middle would have been better.

  
  
  But at least this extreme is better than the old one.