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User495 wrote on 2010-07-30 01:37
yeah I suppose, lol that would've been a much easier reply than all those things you said earlier
yeah basically DEVcat has just made stuff overpowered again, and it lost balance cause people can use whatever they want from another class, and the fact that skill training became alot easier makes the matters worse
can someone remind me what exactly was the restriction on classes, other than life skill/Wizard wm cause I kinda lost track over time xD
damn ninja'd well this extreme may be better but they still need to make adjustments to it, at least that's what I think
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oddy231 wrote on 2010-07-30 01:40
Quote from Moppy;110478:
But at least this extreme is better than the old one.
In you're opinion.
They went from the extreme that was revolutionary to the extreme were they were just rolling over like dogs. All the things that were completely new and exiting got turned into a usual blan run-of-the-mill update because apparently no on likes change.
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Moppy wrote on 2010-07-30 01:43
Quote from oddy231;110482:
In you're opinion.
They went from the extreme that was revolutionary to the extreme were they were just rolling over like dogs. All the things that were completely new and exiting got turned into a usual blan run-of-the-mill update because apparently no on likes change.
No one likes fast and large updates. They could slowly develop this class system overtime to the point that everyone will enjoy it. We can hope in the least.
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oddy231 wrote on 2010-07-30 01:59
Quote from Moppy;110483:
No one likes fast and large updates. They could slowly develop this class system overtime to the point that everyone will enjoy it. We can hope in the least.
But what would be the difference? If they released G11-G13 at once a ton of people would complain. But how is it any different from us getting to G13 in a year. That's something I don't understand about people, the slightest nuances can spend them off for no reason.
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Chockeh wrote on 2010-07-30 02:01
Quote from oddy231;110497:
But what would be the difference? If they released G11-G13 at once a ton of people would complain. But how is it any different from us getting to G13 in a year. That's something I don't understand about people, the slightest nuances can spend them off for no reason.
People complain because they can't catch up with the times and scared that they might catch up to KR and have a complete update stop for a while.
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pataterose wrote on 2010-07-30 02:10
i saw no one complain when we got g4-g5-g6 all at once.
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Chockeh wrote on 2010-07-30 02:11
Maybe cause there wasn't much to do during that time.
There's no mainstream owo.
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pataterose wrote on 2010-07-30 02:13
2 new races with mainstream, alot of new skills and area, new enchants, equips, that way more than g11-g13 together :x
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Zid wrote on 2010-07-30 02:14
Quote from oddy231;110482:
In you're opinion.
They went from the extreme that was revolutionary to the extreme were they were just rolling over like dogs. All the things that were completely new and exiting got turned into a usual blan run-of-the-mill update because apparently no on likes change.
Isn't that also your opinion?
It wasn't revolutionary in any way, by the way. MMORPGs that adopt the class system (which is the majority of them) uses skill restrictions too, almost exact with what the Mabinogi old class system was trying to do. The class system is as old as the creation of MMORPGs (or MUDs if you want to step that far).
Pre-G13 Mabinogi is the first MMORPG (out of many) I've played that doesn't use this system at all (even if ranking nothing but Magic skills consider you a Wizard).
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Chockeh wrote on 2010-07-30 02:16
Well to correct, it's more of a side quest for transformations :D.
Can't really complain about new items.
I don't think there were too much skills ( besides race specific).
And everyone is exploring the area due to the event :D.
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oddy231 wrote on 2010-07-30 02:19
Quote from Zid;110515:
Isn't that also your opinion?
It wasn't revolutionary in any way, by the way. MMORPGs that adopt the class system (which is the majority of them) uses skill restrictions too, almost exact with what the Mabinogi old class system was trying to do. The class system is as old as the creation of MMORPGs (or MUDs if you want to step that far).
Pre-G13 Mabinogi is the first MMORPG (out of many) I've played that doesn't use this system at all (even if ranking nothing but Magic skills consider you a Wizard).
I didn't say it wasn't my opinion, nor did I say what it was revolutionary to. The class system has been done before, but it would be revolutionary to this game. I don't want to argue.
Quote from pataterose;110508:
i saw no one complain when we got g4-g5-g6 all at once.
You didn't? I remember tons of complaints.
Quote from Chocklitshop;110500:
People complain because they can't catch up with the times and scared that they might catch up to KR and have a complete update stop for a while.
Would it matter? Because eventually we would catch up to them anyways. Releasing all of them now would make up for the time it takes for Korea to add new content, or something along those lines. But anyways releasing them now and having to wait six months for an update is the same as releasing them later, when you have more to catch up to and having to wait for content. Another nuance that flips people out.
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pataterose wrote on 2010-07-30 02:23
indeeds, i didn't, everyone i knew was happy with that and wished for mroe giant update to catch up with foreign server :o
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Zid wrote on 2010-07-30 02:24
Quote from oddy231;110518:
I didn't say it wasn't my opinion, nor did I say what it was revolutionary to. The class system has been done before, but it would be revolutionary to this game. I don't want to argue.
You're still stating an opinion(s), despite what you say. But whatever you say. :gloom2:
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Chockeh wrote on 2010-07-30 02:24
Quote from oddy231;110522:
Would it matter? Because eventually we would catch up to them anyways. Releasing all of them now would make up for the time it takes for Korea to add new content, or something along those lines. But anyways releasing them now and having to wait six months for an update is the same as releasing them later, when you have more to catch up to and having to wait for content. Another nuance that flips people out.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, so iunno.
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User495 wrote on 2010-07-30 02:26
races on their own is more content than G13
transformation quests are almost like G2 for them, and as you have seen they are somewhat linked to G9/G10 a huge continent and the beginning of flying mounts/ability to fly seems pretty significan to me
+ exploration quests sorta multiply the amount of AP you can get by at least 1/3 of what you get regularly is quite significant as well, without exploration AP I don't think some of us would've been able to rank some of our skills as quickly as we do now
people have abandoned their "hard earned" characters for races before as well (so what happens with all that money spent into their humans, that they had to abandon to train the other races)
races were a step towards classes as well as diversity
edit: DAMNIT BOB xD (yeah I'll still call you bob out of laziness, instead of calling you Kev)