Upcoming changes for Sword Lanns, Fionas, and Cestus Karoks.

• Burnlever wrote on 2013-05-16 15:28

  Quote from Darkboy132;1089638:

  Spear Lanns definitely needs some touch-ups. He doesn't have a lot to work with (heck he even doesn't have Raging Fever) and its not fun to keep relying on just two Spear-exclusive skills (one smash enhancement and one buff) while Swords have seven exclusive skills (two smash enhancements, two extra skills, two dodge enhancements, and one SP). Also, Spear's survivability is extremely crappy, while Evies and Vellas who are almost or equally as powerful as Spears can just live through almost anything.
  
  What I would like to see is Spears getting better survivability, their own SP 250 ability, and something better than spin2win.

  
  I disagree. Most of Sword Lann's skills pre-Revolution are useless because of how good Pummel Storm and Double Crescent (damage-wise) are. Raging (or Radical) Fever is still useless. In comparison, nearly all of Spear Lann's attacks can serve him the ability to Glide because of Fury Infusion.
  
  Spear Lann's survivability may be the worst among all playstyles, but it's plenty adequate. And Twin Sword Vella is nowhere close to Spear Lann's damage potential (Scythe is, but Scythe is just stupid powerful). Btw, when you're referring to "spin2win", are you specifically meaning Hurricane? Or Moon Splitter and Hurricane?
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2013-05-16 16:59

  Quote from Burnlever;1089933:

  I disagree. Most of Sword Lann's skills pre-Revolution are useless because of how good Pummel Storm and Double Crescent (damage-wise) are. Raging (or Radical) Fever is still useless. In comparison, nearly all of Spear Lann's attacks can serve him the ability to Glide because of Fury Infusion.
  
  Spear Lann's survivability may be the worst among all playstyles, but it's plenty adequate. And Twin Sword Vella is nowhere close to Spear Lann's damage potential (Scythe is, but Scythe is just stupid powerful). Btw, when you're referring to "spin2win", are you specifically meaning Hurricane? Or Moon Splitter and Hurricane?

  
  
  You said pre. Does that mean they get stronger in post?
  
  I don't see how his survivability is adequate when it can barely go through anything and is hard to execute.
  
  And yes, I mean spin2win as both MS and Hurricane.
• Burnlever wrote on 2013-05-16 18:18

  Quote from Darkboy132;1089988:

  You said pre. Does that mean they get stronger in post?
  
  I don't see how his survivability is adequate when it can barely go through anything and is hard to execute.
  
  And yes, I mean spin2win as both MS and Hurricane.

  
  They get better, but I'd need some hands on experience to make my own judgement about everything. I'd wager LR and Whatever Fever are still useless though.
  
  Spear Lann's dodge is the hardest to use well, but it's got .3 invincibility frames just like Slip Dash. Plus... you don't always have to dodge attacks head on.
  
  Part of the reason why Spear Lanns are so dependent upon Hurricane and Moonsplitter is that Season 2 made raid bosses that encouraged sand bagging, and another part is that MS + Fury Infusion is extremely powerful. Slashing High being uncapped pretty much made F7 obsolete in most battles too (Hurricane isn't that good atm).
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2013-05-16 23:46

  Quote from Burnlever;1090052:

  Spear Lann's dodge is the hardest to use well, but it's got .3 invincibility frames just like Slip Dash. Plus... you don't always have to dodge attacks head on.
  
  Part of the reason why Spear Lanns are so dependent upon Hurricane and Moonsplitter is that Season 2 made raid bosses that encouraged sand bagging, and another part is that MS + Fury Infusion is extremely powerful. Slashing High being uncapped pretty much made F7 obsolete in most battles too (Hurricane isn't that good atm).

  
  
  I heard Post gives Slip Dash .5 sec and Vella's Storm Step has .8 sec. How much invul frames do the other characters get though? More than Spear Lann's crappy dodge?
  
  What is meant by sandbagging anyway?
• Yanm wrote on 2013-05-17 00:37

  Quote from Darkboy132;1090269:

  I heard Post gives Slip Dash .5 sec and Vella's Storm Step has .8 sec. How much invul frames do the other characters get though? More than Spear Lann's crappy dodge?
  
  What is meant by sandbagging anyway?

  
  
  Jeez Darkboy. Sandbagging is referring to bosses that have attacks that give a lot of openings for DPS. Example, The dragons are considered Sandbags because they give lots of long attack animations. Siglint in particular, because he tends to spam that lightning breath in front of him. Keaghan isn't a sandbag because he moves around. Lakoria and Kraken are the main sandbags, because, all Lakoria does most of the time is that tail attack and KRaken, well if your teammates distract the tents, then he IS a sandbag.
• Burnlever wrote on 2013-05-17 18:05

  Quote from Darkboy132;1090269:

  I heard Post gives Slip Dash .5 sec and Vella's Storm Step has .8 sec. How much invul frames do the other characters get though? More than Spear Lann's crappy dodge?
  
  What is meant by sandbagging anyway?

  
  Crossgun Kai's roll is .5 seconds. Bow's dodge is .33 seconds but he has his wire grapple. I think Shield Bash has .3 seconds but it's been a long time since I played Fiona. I don't have the number for Blink, but it's pretty damn good and it goes a far distance.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2013-05-17 23:44

  Quote from Burnlever;1090659:

  Crossgun Kai's roll is .5 seconds. Bow's dodge is .33 seconds but he has his wire grapple. I think Shield Bash has .3 seconds but it's been a long time since I played Fiona. I don't have the number for Blink, but it's pretty damn good and it goes a far distance.

  
  
  And I'm guessing NONE OF THEM start later in the animation?
• Invertex wrote on 2013-05-18 06:01
  Pretty sure Shield Bash isn't instant invincibility, won't be all that important after Revolution though - only for specific Small Shield bosses. Also it costs SP.
  
  The other funny thing is that if you go to the Nexon Lann forums, you have people complaining about the added invincibility as "0.3s is enough". Other issue is the Pummel Storm nerf hits pretty hard, making it very situational use. I'm expecting some more Sword Lann and Hammer Fiona changes in the future, as they're both still kind of on the weak end.
  
  
  Also Spear Lann is fine. He really is high risk high reward right now, like the only things getting close to Spear Lann are Scythe Evie and glitching Kais. The fact his damage is getting buffed further with the Agi multiplier increases on MS/Hurricane and the smash skills, he's just going to go further into that role. He's already a bit of a balancing nightmare given the fact "risk" is removable in this game with high end gear.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2013-05-18 19:46
  I think its only fair if Spear Lanns got a 250 SP attack skill, I mean everyone including Swords has one, why not Spears? Though, Raging Fever could definitely be something else though besides a crappy wide swing.
  
  I STILL would like G/LF to go right through enemies.