[KR TEST] Armor masteries and stat/skill rebalancing

• Xemnas wrote on 2013-03-20 11:15
  Guess I'll never be able to use my max roll dull shellfish 0 balance sea troll cudgel.
• Genny wrote on 2013-03-20 11:16

  Quote from Yakumo Yukari;1052213:

  
  
  Clearly you fail at reading because I was using that as a comparison.

  
  Then it's a poor comparison. Are you trying to make yourself look worse?
• Yakumo Yukari wrote on 2013-03-20 11:17

  Quote from Genny;1052215:

  Then it's a poor comparison. Are you trying to make yourself look worse?

  
  
  Sure, why not. Since you're already being so biased anyway, I don't really care.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-03-20 11:18

  Quote from Yakumo Yukari;1052213:

  Irrelevent.
  
  
  
  >significantly nerfing newer players
  >>doesn't see a problem with that
  
  Ancient darkness for damage for starters, unless you want to bridge linked on a heavy armor oh wait, you need basic for that.
  
  Ancient is 6-12, conceptual is 16, and darkness goes on heavy armours too.
  
  
  
  Because crash shot and hybridding with melee. Unless you're telling me that mag spam is superior in every single circumstance.
  
  
  
  Some people like being hipster:
  
  
  
  EDIT:
  
  
  
  Clearly you fail at reading because I was using that as a comparison.

  
  
  
  So, you want all buffs and no nerfs, buff for 2 accessories which means no use for light armor at all. NONE. DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT LIGHT ARMOR IS THE MOST NEGLECTED THING ON THIS PLANET?
  
  Conceptual is a roll too, RARE AS FUCK. AND I MEAN RARE AS FUCK.
  
  And if you used maiz title... Why.
  
  
  
  Your arguments promote hybrid, but don't promote game balance whatsoever.
  
  Balance is stupid easy to get, 50% balance will be a cake for newbies, 80% for endgame.
  
  You misunderstood the context of my points and twisted the meaning for your benefit, i do not see the point in arguing what the color red is to a blind person.
• Yakumo Yukari wrote on 2013-03-20 11:21

  Quote from Aubog007;1052217:

  So, you want all buffs and no nerfs, buff for 2 accessories which means no use for light armor at all. NONE. DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT LIGHT ARMOR IS THE MOST NEGLECTED THING ON THIS PLANET?

  
  
  Okay, get some kind of nerf in place then that doesn't involve screwing over a bunch of classes. Perhaps accessories make you look so pretty that your defence gets cut while using them with heavy armour?
  
  And don't tell me about light armour. I've used a Lorica Segmenta as my day-to-day body piece for my entire mabi career.
  
  

  Conceptual is a roll too, RARE AS FUCK. AND I MEAN RARE AS FUCK.

  
  
  Okay.
  
  

  And if you used maiz title.

  
  
  No it's not. Although it is 14, my bad.
  
  

  Your arguments promote hybrid, but don't promote game balance whatsoever.

  
  
  Because people don't like to use light armour? Lol.
  
  

  Balance is stupid easy to get, 50% balance will be a cake for newbies, 80% for endgame.

  
  
  It's not so stupid easy to get because:
  
  A) The amount of dex needed per balance point is getting re-worked
  B) The effects of the balance stat are being reworked
  
  So it's likely that having 50% balance means you hit 50% of your max on average from now on or something stupid like that.
• Nobelium wrote on 2013-03-20 11:23

  Quote from Yakumo Yukari;1052213:

  All the posts till now

  
  
  Chill, this is as already has been pointed out a[UB] TEST FIRST PATCH[/UB]. I just read through the topic, and you have consistently been nagging about something that may not even appear in this form at all. Even if it does, so far it seems mostly balanced.
  
  High balance weapons do exist, so there is not a significant nerf to new players either.
  
  And as has been pointed out, the only ones affected by dex are heavy armor users it seems. If you like the prot, keep using it. So who cares if your damage gets lower? If you dislike the loss, invest in light armor. Logically, it makes sense that there is a difference between light and heavy aside from one accessory.
  
  Maybe this update will even out the playing field a bit, especially for alchemy and magic. [UB]THAT'S THE POINT FOR REBALANCING.[/UB] Geez.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-03-20 11:24
  Light armor and heavy armor's prior balance was the accessory issue, now that no longer remains an issue, it will be about forced dex issue.
  
  
  Balance has been restored, pun intended.
  
  
  
  Also complaining about things that havent been tested yet. Balance.
  
  
  Really?
• Yakumo Yukari wrote on 2013-03-20 11:24

  Quote from Nobelium;1052220:

  Chill, this is as already has been pointed out a[UB] TEST FIRST PATCH[/UB]. I just read through the topic, and you have consistently been nagging about something that may not even appear in this form at all. Even if it does, so far it seems mostly balanced.

  
  
  Elf archer
  >would say this is balanced
  
  High balance weapons do exist, so there is not a significant nerf to new players either.
  
  

  And as has been pointed out, the only ones affected by dex are heavy armor users it seems. If you like the prot, keep using it. So who cares if your damage gets lower? If you dislike the loss, invest in light armor. Logically, it makes sense that there is a difference between light and heavy aside from one accessory.

  
  
  Buff clothing then. Clothing is now useless.
  
  

  Maybe this update will even out the playing field a bit, especially for alchemy and magic. [UB]THAT'S THE POINT FOR REBALANCING.[/UB] Geez.

  
  
  Oh wait, they were equal after the buff, especially with 57k hail storms. This is just a random kick in the nuts to anyone who hybrids.
  
  

  Quote from Aubog007;1052221:

  Light armor and heavy armor's prior balance was the accessory issue, now that no longer remains an issue, it will be about forced dex issue.

  
  
  Okay, so why not nerf other skillsets then? Make it take away int and will as well or something.
  
  
  

  Balance has been restored, pun intended.

  
  
  I didn't see that one coming, +rep for a good laugh
• Genny wrote on 2013-03-20 11:26

  Quote from Yakumo Yukari;1052216:

  Sure, why not. Since you're already being so biased anyway, I don't really care.

  
  I'm as biased as you on this subject. That's why there's an argument. Wanna tell us how DevCat should balance out Clothing, Light Armor and Heavy Armor without making one useless?
• Yakumo Yukari wrote on 2013-03-20 11:28

  Quote from Genny;1052223:

  I'm as biased as you on this subject. That's why there's an argument. Wanna tell us how DevCat should balance out Clothing, Light Armor and Heavy Armor without making one useless?

  
  
  Give clothing better enchants, light armour set effects, and make heavy armour not so randomly biased against one play-style. Done.
• Genny wrote on 2013-03-20 11:34

  Quote from Yakumo Yukari;1052225:

  Give clothing better enchants, light armour set effects, and make heavy armour not so randomly biased against one play-style. Done.

  
  
  I'm sure DevCat is defining roles for different equipment before making specific enchant effects.
  
  Example:
  Clothing: Magic, Shooter.
  Light Armor: Ranged, Fighter, Puppeteer.
  Heavy Armor: Melee.
• Yakumo Yukari wrote on 2013-03-20 11:36

  Quote from Genny;1052226:

  I'm sure DevCat is defining roles for different equipment before making specific enchant effects.
  
  Example:
  Clothing: Magic, Shooter.
  Light Armor: Ranged, Fighter, Puppeteer.
  Heavy Armor: Melee.

  
  
  Except heavy armour doesn't penalize magic or guns at all. If it was an all or nothing (So it penalized everything except melee, or it didn't penalize and some kind of alternative was in place) then it'd be better.
  
  Give set effects to light armour while you're at it too.
• Genny wrote on 2013-03-20 11:39

  Quote from Yakumo Yukari;1052227:

  Except heavy armour doesn't penalize magic or guns at all. If it was an all or nothing (So it penalized everything except melee, or it didn't penalize and some kind of alternative was in place) then it'd be better.
  
  Give set effects to light armour while you're at it too.

  
  
  Most mage will not wear heavy armors due to the superior set effects and enchants from clothings. Archers already have Bohemian.
  
  Right now,Fighters benefit from Duelist and Challenger enchants on light armors.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-03-20 11:40
  Clothing is critical/max based with restored, light is pure max with slight crit deductions and some defense.
  
  Heavy armor is... Defensive based.
• Yakumo Yukari wrote on 2013-03-20 11:41

  Quote from Genny;1052229:

  Most mage will not wear heavy armors due to the superior set effects and enchants from clothings.

  
  
  Such as? Mana reduction, which can be obtained from a combination of enchants, hats, shoes and the construct alch talent?
  
  Hebona effect, which doesn't have a chest piece?
  
  The problem is that mages can wear a refined imp mythril lance armour or something and get away with being super tanky as hell.