[KR Test] Advance Magic Skills and Others

• Kenero wrote on 2013-04-12 10:24
  The mana shield reforge essentially made anyone immortal. I have mixed feelings about it.
• Xemnas wrote on 2013-04-12 10:39

  Quote from Splatulated;1067164:

  so this will make magic like magical ??? and holy crap get a 50% speed boost when casting ??? will just cast icebolts to run fast lools and will make me no longer want a commerce partner OMG how long will it take for this to come to NA !!!
  
  also how do iget on the KR test server omg this i just want to do this

  
  Did you not read anything in the thread? At all?
• Froglord of DESTINY!!! wrote on 2013-04-12 10:59
  Is the mana shield formulah still (Base efficiency + M.Att) *0.015 + Base efficiency w/ modifiers and upgrades?
• Azareel wrote on 2013-04-12 13:12
  Splat, next time, you should try reading at least some of the thread. Even the last several pages and the OP would be nice.
  
  [SPOILER="Spoiler"]

  Quote from Splatulated;1067164:

  so this will make magic like magical ???

  
  
  Magic has always been magical. That's why it's called magic. Overall, it appears to be a magic nerf.
  
  

  Quote from Splatulated;1067164:

  and holy crap get a 50% speed boost when casting ???

  
  
  Mobile Casting doesn't work that way. At best (r1) you will be running your normal speed. Any other rank gives you a speed penalty.
  It also consumes absurd amounts of stamina, and increases the cost of casting spells.
  
  

  Quote from Splatulated;1067164:

  will just cast icebolts to run fast lools and will make me no longer want a commerce partner

  
  
  Commerce Partners still help with commerce. Also, you don't need to cast anything for Mobile Casting to be active. It's toggleable, like Meditation.
  
  

  Quote from Splatulated;1067164:

  OMG how long will it take for this to come to NA !!!

  
  
  As usual for all patches unless otherwise announced by Nexon, no-one is completely sure.
  
  

  Quote from Splatulated;1067164:

  also how do iget on the KR test server omg this i just want to do this

  
  
  First you have to get the account and client which is a hassle on top of not being able to read jack squat (assuming you don't know Korean). Once you get inside, (assuming you don't know Korean), you have to guess how to do everything based on what you remember of the user interface in NA. I think there's a sort of English patch, but it doesn't translate everything, and I certainly don't have it.[/SPOILER]
• ironwoman wrote on 2013-04-12 13:28

  Quote from Anitun;1067150:

  Hey, if you don't mind me asking, are the new knuckles special upgradable?

  
  
  Yes, they are. Although, I personally think demonic knuckles are better choice in general.
  The problem in KR they have often is that even when the white dragon spawns, not many people actually go to fight, making these items even more of a rarity, as opposed to lord missions and episodes.
  
  Honestly, you don't need the effect from knuckles so much, since you can already use dischord.
• ironwoman wrote on 2013-04-12 13:30

  Quote from Froglord of DESTINY!!!;1067172:

  Is the mana shield formulah still (Base efficiency + M.Att) *0.015 + Base efficiency w/ modifiers and upgrades?

  
  
  No. Physical protection doesn't take into account, instead magic protection will. And M.Att is heavily modified in test server, so the coefficient 0.015 definitely changed, to a much smaller value, from the damage I see players take from mobs in test server.
• shogungari wrote on 2013-04-12 14:29

  Quote from ironwoman;1067207:

  No. Physical protection doesn't take into account, instead magic protection will. And M.Att is heavily modified in test server, so the coefficient 0.015 definitely changed, to a much smaller value, from the damage I see players take from mobs in test server.

  
  
  Honestly I'm okay with this change. Yeah I won't be as bulky as before, but as it stands people were getting too powerful with a level 20 mana shield reforge and 1k int. It's illogical for a mage to be able to take more damage than a warrior. I get the feeling Devcat's trying to go with a more traditional role of classes by making talents good at only one or two things. I've got mixed feelings about that- on one hand it undermines what mabinogi stood for, but on the other hand people are getting WAY too strong and need a nerf- or "rebalance"- in order to get things back to what they were. How many of you remember when Runda Normal was difficult? How many of you remember Runda AT ALL?
  
  
  Bottomline is the last few gachas, updates, and events are making me feel like this is a private server for the real game, and no one remembers where the real game is.
• LtGeneralAndrew wrote on 2013-04-12 14:41
  Since when was runda normal difficult? lol
  Siren and runda adv were relatively difficult when they came out but not runda normal.
  Rabbie normal was more difficult imo.
• phil11g wrote on 2013-04-12 15:11

  Quote from LtGeneralAndrew;1067222:

  Since when was runda normal difficult? lol
  Siren and runda adv were relatively difficult when they came out but not runda normal.
  Rabbie normal was more difficult imo.

  
  
  I really hope the next update will be a revamp/renewal of dungeons and maybe dungeon arenas. Dungeon were a staple to Mabinogi since the beginning, you'd think they would have gotten reworked to keep up with the times.
• LtGeneralAndrew wrote on 2013-04-12 15:16

  Quote from phil11g;1067229:

  I really hope the next update will be a revamp/renewal of dungeons and maybe dungeon arenas. Dungeon were a staple to Mabinogi since the beginning, you'd think they would have gotten reworked to keep up with the times.

  
  
  Yeah I agree with that. Even Peaca Int is clearable in less than 30 mins (a lot of walking time) with a good party. Back in the day Peaca normal took hours.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-04-12 15:22
  You guys do realize that the idea of nerfing everyone to oblivion would not go over well? People love seeing themselves hit higher and higher numbers. You guys can't seriously expect people to stay around the same low level content for ever do you?
  
  The solution is more harder, high end content to appease the vets. Most vets are paying people for the most part and have been around for a long period of time. Peacca Int too easy to clear? Release Peacca Advanced then! Last I checked Lord content provided plenty of challenge for vets.
• shogungari wrote on 2013-04-12 15:49

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1067232:

  You guys do realize that the idea of nerfing everyone to oblivion would not go over well? People love seeing themselves hit higher and higher numbers. You guys can't seriously expect people to stay around the same low level content for ever do you?
  
  The solution is more harder, high end content to appease the vets. Most vets are paying people for the most part and have been around for a long period of time. Peacca Int too easy to clear? Release Peacca Advanced then! Last I checked Lord content provided plenty of challenge for vets.

  
  
  

  Quote from LtGeneralAndrew;1067222:

  Since when was runda normal difficult? lol
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  Quote from LtGeneralAndrew;1067231:

  Even Peaca Int is clearable in less than 30 mins (a lot of walking time) with a good party. Back in the day Peaca normal took hours.

  
  
  
  This is what I'm talking about. You all are so much stronger than the average player that you forget what it was like being weak. You can solo peaca int, but not everyone else can. Appeasing the veterens doesn't work in games because even if they are all payers, you're cutting out an even bigger margin of players who wish they could be that strong. The best solution is to make players all around weaker so the content we used to consider difficult can actually be difficult again. The whole reason they're even doubling Lord Mission mobs' damage is because you're so strong you can one shot them with windmill or puppeteering. The whole reason giant field bosses are getting more HP is because there are people that can kill them in one hit now. Releasing bigger and better versions of a dungeon may be refreshing but it's not going to make things more challenging. In a month I guarantee there's going to be a group of people so strong even peaca advanced wouldn't give them a challenge.
  
  Liking big numbers isn't a reason to keep everyone so overpowered there's no reason to play the game strategically, or even with a group of other people. Numbers can be considered good in relation to each other. The final boss in Paper Mario has 99 hp, and even that's considered tremendous for the game. Hell, in Maplestory if you do less than 500k damage you're considered weak. By basing everything off how much damage you do you're taking away the core element of the game- play however you want. If I wanted to be a tank, someone who's all about protection, defense, hp, etc., I should be able to play just as well as someone who focuses entirely on damage. That's clearly impossible because not only is defense inferior in this game, but after the "rebalance" it'll be even more difficult, even with all that armor mastery. Damage is the only way to go in this game, because if you get hit you might as well be dead (unless you have the mana shield reforge). There's no need for healers, and everyone uses music as a secondary if they're not using it for puppetry, so support classes aren't needed (pets don't help situations either.) The only thing left is DPS, and doing as much damage as possible, and being exactly like everyone else. Sure you might use a lance and he might use a sword, but you're both damage dealers. You both just do big numbers with no skill or strategy involved.
  
  You're at the point in your game where nothing can compete with your power output, and I don't think adding something slightly more challenging will fix that.
• LtGeneralAndrew wrote on 2013-04-12 16:10

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1067232:

  You guys do realize that the idea of nerfing everyone to oblivion would not go over well? People love seeing themselves hit higher and higher numbers. You guys can't seriously expect people to stay around the same low level content for ever do you?
  
  The solution is more harder, high end content to appease the vets. Most vets are paying people for the most part and have been around for a long period of time. Peacca Int too easy to clear? Release Peacca Advanced then! Last I checked Lord content provided plenty of challenge for vets.

  
  
  Yeah I don't believe in nerfing at all. Lords is ok, but I was just commenting on the fact that dungeons need something new.
  
  

  Quote from shogungari;1067243:

  This is what I'm talking about. You all are so much stronger than the average player that you forget what it was like being weak. You can solo peaca int, but not everyone else can. Appeasing the veterens doesn't work in games because even if they are all payers, you're cutting out an even bigger margin of players who wish they could be that strong.

  
  
  Runda was easy for us be cause WE have been playing since G1. The veterans deserve to be stronger simply because we put more time into the game. There is a reason multiple modes were created for shadow missions. These were to cater to lower level players. Anyone who has put enough time into that game would be able to do a hard mode mission without too many difficulties. Nerfing the crap out of the players that have been playing mabi since G1 does not solve a thing. If you want a game where time doesn't mean anything go play Diablo 3. All that matters in there are your items.
• shogungari wrote on 2013-04-12 16:13

  Quote from LtGeneralAndrew;1067248:

  Yeah I don't believe in nerfing at all. Lords is ok, but I was just commenting on the fact that dungeons need something new.
  
  
  
  Runda was easy for us be cause WE have been playing since G1. The veterans deserve to be stronger simply because we put more time into the game. There is a reason multiple modes were created for shadow missions. These were to cater to lower level players. Anyone who has put enough time into that game would be able to do a hard mode mission without too many difficulties. Nerfing the crap out of the players that have been playing mabi since G1 does not solve a thing. If you want a game where time doesn't mean anything go play Diablo 3. All that matters in there are your items.

  
  
  

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  I've been playing since G1 too. I still remember my first day playing, and I remember what it was like being weak and not knowing what to do, and having difficulty with dungeons that now don't even register to me. The veterens are already so strong nothing can compare to them. There's a gap between end-gamers and everyone else that making harder mobs will only widen. You're creating content for a small group of people while ignoring the other players, which is always a bad step.
• LtGeneralAndrew wrote on 2013-04-12 16:21

  Quote from shogungari;1067249:

  I've been playing since G1 too. I still remember my first day playing, and I remember what it was like being weak and not knowing what to do, and having difficulty with dungeons that now don't even register to me. The veterens are already so strong nothing can compare to them. There's a gap between end-gamers and everyone else that making harder mobs will only widen. You're creating content for a small group of people while ignoring the other players, which is always a bad step.

  
  
  Yes and the game should progress not regress. As you should know, if you do paid rebirths and you are dedicated, you can reach total 2000 with in 20 weeks. Before, getting to level 2000 total took almost double that amount of effort. The exp ramp has already been lowered 2-3 times from G1. Not to mention current content for end game players is future content for new players. Do you expect a new player to come in and just jump into a lord mission?