[KR Test] Advance Magic Skills and Others

• shogungari wrote on 2013-04-12 16:55

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1067281:

  The answer then is to nerf Reforges not the skills or weapons. Nerf the reforges and the content becomes more challenging but it better have GOOD rewards for it.

  
  
  Agreed. Better yet, get rid of reforges altogether.
  
  

  Quote from Namiri;1067276:

  
  
  I mean you're kind of contradicting yourself here. On one hand you seem to want everyone to have to play more strategically. But on the other hand you want to be able to mindlessly tank damage while a healer plays your personal heal/buff slave. If you really dislike the combat in Mabinogi that much then maybe you should just go play another game that already has tanks and heal/buff slaves.
  

  
  
  That's a contradiction too. Mabinogi's just mindless killing now. Five top-tier players can go in and spam windmill without much trouble. There's no skill involved, no strategy, it's just a chaotic mess of people spamming their best attacks. With other games (the ones that're actually well made) you had to plan based on what an enemy was going to do. Tanks had to make sure to keep the enemy's attention and enduring their hits, a healer had to make sure who to heal at what time depending on priority, and DPS had to make sure to prioritize enemies based on their threat- sometimes the boss wasn't always the problem, maybe the minions that spawned are the problem. Yes, the game was never made with that in mind, but these most recent updates make me wonder if Devcat's trying to change that. Why else would they add armor and shield masteries if tanking didn't matter and you weren't suppose to get hit anyway?
  
  
  

  Quote from Tropa;1067282:

  Why would anyone rush to end-game? to get bored of the game faster?
  
  

  
  
  

  Quote from Tropa;1067282:

  I do aggre that we need more content, but more so end-game content so vets don't get bored and leave.
  

  
  
  People rush through content to get to end game, then say there isn't anything to do. 5k NX says day 2 of the gunner update there will be people whining not enough content is released because they already mastered that talent.
• FallenDanny wrote on 2013-04-12 16:55

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1067281:

  The answer then is to nerf Reforges not the skills or weapons. Nerf the reforges and the content becomes more challenging but it better have GOOD rewards for it. Frankly as much I've spent on reforges, I wouldn't mind if reforges were nerfed quite a bit. Just makes sure it scales. That will probably piss off a few people who spent a lot of money on the game but it's the only way that they'll be able to make scaleable content.
  
  However, the recent changes in G18 does make it somewhat plausible to add some variety to mobs.

  
  
  This^
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-04-12 16:57

  Quote from shogungari;1067285:

  Agreed. Better yet, get rid of reforges altogether.

  
  
  I can't agree with that. Too much money has already been spent by people for that to go over well. Nexon would risk pissing off all their paying customers and then mabi would die very quickly. That's not a move they'd risk I think.
  
  Personally I don't care if the reforges get removed, the money is spent already. But there are plenty of others who would care I'm sure. I will miss my shieldless charge though if they do get removed QQ.
• FallenDanny wrote on 2013-04-12 16:59

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1067287:

  I can't agree with that. Too much money has already been spent by people for that to go over well. Nexon would risk pissing off all their paying customers and then mabi would die very quickly. That's not a move they'd risk I think.
  
  Personally I don't care if the reforges get removed, the money is spent already. But there are plenty of others who would care I'm sure.

  
  
  A simple way to handle that is just to add a mixture of every element monster in harder content.
• FallenDanny wrote on 2013-04-12 17:00
  [S]Keeps double posting, sorry. [/S]
• shogungari wrote on 2013-04-12 17:01

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1067287:

  I can't agree with that. Too much money has already been spent by people for that to go over well. Nexon would risk pissing off all their paying customers and then mabi would die very quickly. That's not a move they'd risk I think.
  
  Personally I don't care if the reforges get removed, the money is spent already. But there are plenty of others who would care I'm sure. I will miss my shieldless charge though if they do get removed QQ.

  
  
  You could just refund players for the reforges they bought with NX. There should be a transaction log for everyone showing how much money we spent on what cash shop items, in case something comes up and we have to prove we did buy said item. It'd be a matter of going through the logs and refunding the players based on how much they paid (and since it's virtual money because nexon's already received the real funds, it should be a 100% refund). I don't know how you can do that with people who bought with gold, though...
• FallenDanny wrote on 2013-04-12 17:01
  How are high levels getting nerfed to hell again?
• ca25nada wrote on 2013-04-12 17:03

  Quote from Namiri;1067283:

  So there actually is a gachapon out in Korea that gives demonic weapons now? I saw someone say this before in the past but it just turned out to be a baseless rumor and there was no such thing. But has it actually happened? Or is this just another baseless rumor?...
  
  If it's true I would like to see a link to actual proof of this please. Because I've seen nothing posted about any such gacha anywhere.

  
  
  do 'replay drama tickets' count ?
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-04-12 17:03

  Quote from shogungari;1067292:

  You could just refund players for the reforges they bought with NX. I don't know how you can do that with people who bought with gold, though...

  
  
  If they did refund, that would be acceptable then.
• LtGeneralAndrew wrote on 2013-04-12 17:04

  Quote from FallenDanny;1067290:

  A simple way to handle that is just to add a mixture of every element monster in harder content.

  
  
  Or throw in element immune mobs and toss around a couple of master lichs for the hell of it lol.
• shogungari wrote on 2013-04-12 17:06

  Quote from LtGeneralAndrew;1067298:

  Or throw in element immune mobs and toss around a couple of master lichs for the hell of it lol.

  
  
  *shudder* that gave me flash backs to Megaten, which at the time had similar combat to Mabi. They had monsters that were weak to physical hits amongst enemies that GAINED LIFE when hit with a melee attack. And there was no way to tell what was what unless you actually attacked them.
• Johny wrote on 2013-04-12 17:07

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1067255:

  Even so, I would absolutely hate it if Devcat restricted and knocked me down to a the same level as a 2k player. I can't solo most Elite missions, and god forbid I solo Lord missions or Peacca Int. (Ghasts are fucking hell man)
  
  The day I can solo those with easy is the day that I can say, fine nerf us. Until then, don't try and knock down the vets to a lower level. That's just something I find to be 100% unacceptable.
  
  The only people who can do that are those who spent a shit ton of money on reforges be it in game gold or real life money. The problem here is not the players but the god damn fucking OP reforges.

  
  
  Nerfing veteran players would be a very stupid move. The majority of the veteran players are the ones that pay, minus a few. Newer players don't pay unless they really fall in love with Mabinogi...what I've noticed is newer players test the waters and then either 1) Leave mabinogi or 2) Stay for the ride.
  
  Also reforges...Yea those things broke the game, but they are also targeted towards the veteran population. Any company would know that hardcore gamers would pay through the nose for more power...
  
  But the one thing that really has me riled up is how the magic talent has become the laughing stock of mabinogi. Back in the day, mages were praised for running dungeons/ missions, and making things easier on the rest of the party...Now, parties don't even bother waiting for mages. Mages are now a burden, outdated, outclassed and decommissioned. All because DevCat can't make up their minds on how to balance magic. I'm getting tired of it. It is ridiculous!
• uoi100 wrote on 2013-04-12 17:07
  or you know fix elemental reforges, say you have a level 6 fire elemental reforge, you should do 66% to ice, 33% to lightning , do -66% to fire elementals, and 0% to neutrals. But say you had a fire/ice level 6 reforge you would do 66% to lightning, 0% to ice/fire, 0% to neutral. And fire/lightning/ice together would do 33% fire/ice, 0% lightning/neutral.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-04-12 17:08
  Well yes, the magic content does need proper care. The biggest problem with magic though is the fact that it's EXTREMELY easy to make it overpowered. If devcat isn't careful they could make magic way too OP.
  
  As it is now though, it just can't compete very well with the other content. There's no easy solution for it. Either you have long cast time and very high damage to make it worth it or near instant cast time but lower damage.
• Tropa wrote on 2013-04-12 17:09

  Quote from FallenDanny;1067289:

  A simple way to handle that is just to add a mixture of every element monster in harder content.

  
  
  An Idea I had awhile back was for two new mods, one was be armored in Burning basalt, and can only be hurt by Water alchemy and Ice magic. Ice armored mobs that can only be hurt by FIre alchemy/magic, everything else would only do 1's(melee/range/puppet/fighter/gunner)