[KR Test] Advance Magic Skills and Others

• Iyasenu wrote on 2013-04-12 20:38

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1067423:

  More int for fusion bolt! More int for Mana Shield! Seriously, if you read my post above a light bulb might click. In every skill set there's that one OP skill. For Ranged it's Crash Shot, for Puppets it's Act 7. for melee...I don't really know, nothing stands out as phenomenal. For magic...just maybe...Fusion Bolt will be you'r savior. Think about it...

  
  
  Fusion bolt should not be the saving grace of magic.
  
  It should be one of those magics that are... you know.
  More Advanced.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-04-12 20:39

  Quote from Iyasenu;1067426:

  Fusion bolt should not be the saving grace of magic.
  
  It should be one of those magics that are... you know.
  More Advanced.

  
  
  You guys can continue to be negative or you can look on the bright side of things. Frankly, I'll take w/e positives I can from this. At the very least one of the other magics will give more int to be pumped into OP fusion bolt.
  
  Fusion bolt as is pretty toe to toe with hailstorm. Didn't Justified already do a comparison on this already when Hailstorm first came out? With Magic Weapon Mastery + Hailstorm Nerf, Fusion Bolt just topped Hailstorm. Take it as you will.
  
  There has always been that one magic that's more powerful than the rest. Devcat is terrible at balancing magic across the board and they aren't ever going to properly balance it so why not enjoy what you can instead of looking so negatively about the magic update and how you're going to "drop magic" if this gets released as is to the server.
  
  I for one will gladly jump at the chance to make fusion bolt shine like never before.
• Iyasenu wrote on 2013-04-12 20:39

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1067428:

  You guys can continue to be negative or you can look on the bright side of things. Frankly, I'll take w/e positives I can from this.

  
  
  Demand more positives. :[
• Iyasenu wrote on 2013-04-12 20:40

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1067428:

  You guys can continue to be negative or you can look on the bright side of things. Frankly, I'll take w/e positives I can from this.

  
  
  Demand more positives. :[
• phil11g wrote on 2013-04-12 20:42

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1067423:

  More int for fusion bolt! More int for Mana Shield! Seriously, if you read my post above a light bulb might click. In every skill set there's that one OP skill. For Ranged it's Crash Shot, for Puppets it's Act 7. for melee...I don't really know, nothing stands out as phenomenal. For magic...just maybe...Fusion Bolt will be you'r savior. Think about it...

  
  
  The idea that every skill set has their own "limit break" interests me. Melee had Final Hit as theirs, but since the genesis update which allowed players to use defense and counterattack while stunned,
  Final Hit loss it effectiveness.
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-04-12 20:55

  Quote from phil11g;1067433:

  The idea that every skill set has their own "limit break" interests me. Melee had Final Hit as theirs, but since the genesis update which allowed players to use defense and counterattack while stunned,
  Final Hit loss it effectiveness.

  
  
  If you mean that in a PVP way then just don't...Mabi's PVP system is so broken it's not even worth mentioning any skill at all in a PVP way.
  
  If you mean that for PVE, explain please. XD;
• Namiri wrote on 2013-04-12 21:15

  Quote from Perfectio;1067401:

  Also, shogungari brings up a very good point - endgame players are way too strong and you can't just keep scaling up content.

  
  
  Sure you can. They do it in just about every single other MMORPG in existence. Content that just keeps on scaling up is the norm. If they didn't do that in other games the veteran players at the top run out of stuff to do, get bored, and quit. Naturally the company running the game would want to prevent that as they know the people who spend the most money on the game are usually always the veteran players who've been around the longest.
  
  Although in the case of Mabinogi it's sort of different. Because in addition to the veteran players there's also the Fashionogi crowd who Nexon knows will always spend absurd amounts of money trying to get the latest gacha outfit.
• Perfectio wrote on 2013-04-12 21:35

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1067428:

  You guys can continue to be negative or you can look on the bright side of things. Frankly, I'll take w/e positives I can from this. At the very least one of the other magics will give more int to be pumped into OP fusion bolt.

  
  
  15% damage for a skill that needs 7 seconds to go from abysmal damage to pathetic damage is not going to save magic.
  
  

  Fusion bolt as is pretty toe to toe with hailstorm. Didn't Justified already do a comparison on this already when Hailstorm first came out? With Magic Weapon Mastery + Hailstorm Nerf, Fusion Bolt just topped Hailstorm. Take it as you will.

  
  
  That comparison is so long ago that it's wholly irrelevant and it's disingenuous for you to bring it up. HM SMs were still top end content, Elite had JUST been released, we still had Mana Evaporation, we did NOT have Homesteads, we did not have reforges, combo cards, etc, etc. And Hailstorm was situational at best, so why the hell does it matter that Bolt Fusion is now slightly better?
  
  

  There has always been that one magic that's more powerful than the rest. Devcat is terrible at balancing magic across the board and they aren't ever going to properly balance it so why not enjoy what you can instead of looking so negatively about the magic update and how you're going to "drop magic" if this gets released as is to the server.

  
  
  Bolt Fusion is infinitesimally less shitty, hooray, while a borderline decent magic skill gets pounded into the ground. That's supposed to be magic's grand silver lining. My answer to you is B>Full Skill Resets.
  
  So when everyone around you is doing 50k Mag crits (assuming we can still crit after the prot buff) because of Bhalspear and piercing, and your piddly little Bolt Fusion doesn't even break 1k per hit after 7-8 seconds of charging, then what?
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-04-12 22:08
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  You need to seriously chill the fuck out. Do you seriously expect devcat to magically fix magic in one update? Magic is getting a boost in some areas, we're getting new magic skills.
  
  While you are swearing and flipping the fuck out, I'm going to go have fun with my new magic.
  
  There's Mages like Vejjie (BizarreJuju) who are finding plenty to be proud of in this update.
• Slayerj wrote on 2013-04-12 22:16

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1067480:

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  You need to seriously chill the fuck out. Do you seriously expect devcat to magically fix magic in one update? Magic is getting a boost in some areas, we're getting new magic skills.
  
  While you are swearing and flipping the fuck out, I'm going to go have fun with my new magic.
  
  There's Mages like Vejjie (BizarreJuju) who are finding plenty to be proud of in this update.

  
  
  They magically fixed alch in one update. Soooo....yeah. XD; Just a question, you can't use fusion bolt with instant cast can ya? Seeing that it would just load the first bolt before you could use the second one, right?
• Anwell wrote on 2013-04-12 22:20

  Quote from Slayerj;1067484:

  They magically fixed alch in one update. Soooo....yeah. XD; Just a question, you can't use fusion bolt with instant cast can ya? Seeing that it would just load the first bolt before you could use the second one, right?

  
  
  Still wandering if we can use move casting with Blaze...
• Kenero wrote on 2013-04-12 22:23

  Quote from Anwell;1067486:

  Still wandering if we can use move casting with Blaze...

  
  
  We'll look into this, but I doubt moving casting will work with Blaze because of the way it works.
  
  But it's worth a shot.
• FallenDanny wrote on 2013-04-12 22:24

  Quote from Kenero;1067488:

  We'll look into this, but I doubt moving casting will work with Blaze because of the way it works.
  
  But it's worth a shot.

  
  
  It'd be cool if instant cast worked with it for full charge blaze. xD
• Kenero wrote on 2013-04-12 22:35

  Quote from FallenDanny;1067489:

  It'd be cool if instant cast worked with it for full charge blaze. xD

  
  
  Moving cast can move with blaze, as confirmed by kingofrunes.
• Johny wrote on 2013-04-12 22:39

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1067480:

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  You need to seriously chill the fuck out. Do you seriously expect devcat to magically fix magic in one update? Magic is getting a boost in some areas, we're getting new magic skills.
  
  While you are swearing and flipping the fuck out, I'm going to go have fun with my new magic.
  
  There's Mages like Vejjie (BizarreJuju) who are finding plenty to be proud of in this update.

  
  
  Well, I know I ranted earlier, but it was because I thought ALL magic was getting nerfed to fit in the new magic formula, just like in g13. However, I've been running some impromptu calculations, and only IS and hailstorm are being affected severely, along with firebolt. I, to be honest, have to say that the only times I use IS is to clear math/rabbie norm/advanced. IS is extremely tricky to use, and I dislike it for that. On top of that it expends a lot of mp for damage that is slightly less than fireball's (unless you are reforged, which nulls the whole arguement).
  
  As long as thunder and Fireball are still viable after the update, I'll be fine. I use thunder a WHOLE LOT MORE than IS or hailstorm. Frankly, I only use hailstorm for boss, now that I can crit with it against bosses like the fomor commander. And even with the nerf, it's still a pretty strong skill. 2.6k to 6k crits is a lot of damage for a skill that hits more than once.
  
  Again however, what I'd like to know is if crit affects the sum of the magic damage formula or just the base damage of the magic skills. I'm asking this because back when mabi was new, a similar formula existed for magic, which consisted of a logarithm. Unfortunately, critical only affected base damage with that formula. I wonder if its the same with this formula. (True reason; that old formula also only counted after charges, so only the 1st charge was given the additional damage).